Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[ZEROSPHERES]

"Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does."

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/...z1F0232EGc


Could this work here in the USA?

[EastCoastKat]

[quote='EastCoastKat' pid='135531' dateline='1298645622']
My husband told me that a lot of gang members that do military, come back into the neighborhoods and teach the other gang members techniques they learned in the war zones, something I was unaware of...

Yeah, that's probably why M P Y took down that photo. So out of this crew there are at least 2 of them in the military now.

[Lady Cop]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE....again....don't quote 5000 words to add a tiny few of your own. you can trim all that baggage. thankyou!!
i'm running out of bandwidth!

[TotallyCurious]

I can see it now...Toldeo: Living in a Gangtas Paradise

Sorry, couldn't resist

Ok I want to clear up what everybody sees on the facebook pages. Its called hip hop style. Its a style. Flat billed hat big sweatpants and such. Doesn't mean your a gangster or a criminal. Its a style. Most city kids dress like that. Though some of the people on the pages might very well be criminals I'm sure that all of them aren't. My husband dresses and talks like that. He's not a gangster or a criminal. He's just a guy who grew up in a mixed culture. He's not a poser either. This is urban not suburb crap.

Agreed. For some it is urban style and even some suburbans dress like this and talk like this....and then there is that element of criminal. It's like I said before, in
the 1960's we had hippies, and for some it was a lifestyle and for others it was just a style, and for the ciminals it was an easy way for a wolf to wear sheeps clothing and mingle among the sheep without them even knowing until it was too late, ie Charlie Manson.

Let me be more clear...going by what's been posted in THIS forum, pages 1- 999,000 you couldn't pay me enough money to live there...hence the reference to a new image/marketing campaign.

Look, hopefully we're all adults and we can somehow find a way to incert some comic relief in this horrible tragedy, albeit sinister at that.

Agree that this generation's style and verbal symantics are vastly different from say, the 60's, but trying to compare cultural movements with thugs who bring violence and street crime to communities has hardly any relevence on their attire or use of slang, so to to speak.

"Agree that this generation's style and verbal symantics are vastly different from say, the 60's, but trying to compare cultural movements with thugs who bring violence and street crime to communities has hardly any relevence on their attire or use of slang, so to to speak"
.
I'm not sure what you mean here, maybe you can clarify it for me??

I think clothing is very relevant and it is shocking to see it
becoming so main stream. At a very popular internet site Baby
Onesies are sold online - onesies that say - Lil Pimp,
Change my Diaper Biaatch, G is for Gangsta, WTF?,
lil Bastard, Sugar Water Purple, Pimpin Since Pimpin Been Pimpin,
I'm Into Uncommon Thugery, Stop Snitchin, Slicing the Pie.......
hundreds of things like this, some I don't even understand.

[Lady Cop]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE....again....don't quote 5000 words to add a tiny few of your own. you can trim all that baggage. thankyou!!
i'm running out of bandwidth!

[Barbara]

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Ok I want to clear up what everybody sees on the facebook pages. Its called hip hop style. Its a style. Flat billed hat big sweatpants and such. Doesn't mean your a gangster or a criminal. Its a style. Most city kids dress like that. Though some of the people on the pages might very well be criminals I'm sure that all of them aren't. My husband dresses and talks like that. He's not a gangster or a criminal. He's just a guy who grew up in a mixed culture. He's not a poser either. This is urban not suburb crap.

I get the clothes. We wore crazy clothes as teenagers in the 50s. And before me many adults dressed like gangsters or rum runners during prohibition in the 20s. And of course many of us dressed like hippies in the 60s and 70s with beards, long hair, flared jeans, bandanas around the forehead, etc.

What I don't get is posing in deliberately mean, arrogant, threatening poses, flashing signs with your fingers; and in many cases posing with a gun, or in a group picture with someone else holding a gun.

How do you and your husband feel about facebook pictures like those?

The 50's, 60's, 70's certainly had their "differences of expression" as one may feel the "thug" type is entitled to today, however it is perhaps the result of being too acceptable of others over the years, now the grandchildren of the more innocent humans, are disrespectful, have no morals and are killing people. I have raised a few kids and believe me, they WOULD NOT act like some of these young kids in the photos I have seen on here and facebook. You can ask yourself "Who is watching the children" and we all know that either the ENABLER is and or NO ONE.

[fabulous]

Just a little something. I don't know if it sheds any light on the crime. About ten years ago a group of friends that had just graduated a couple of years before from Bowsher High School (same high school as a lot of these characters) murdered their friend for drugs. Shot him in the back of the head while they were riding in his car and broke all his bones and shoved him in a drain pipe. It took about a year for LE to get the whole case together but they did get a conviction. This was a robbery for drug money. Although, the method of murder is not the same it was still very brutal. I don't remember all the reports but I believe they also poured gasoline or acid on him. However, contrary to what several people want to harp on. Toledo is not a shithole filled in drug dealing criminals. We have problems like any other big city. (we are not a tiny honkey tonk town) But Toledo is not a shithole.

I guess that would depend on your definition of "shithole." If there is a nice part of toledo, I'd love to find it.

Beverly/OLPH/Toledo Christian (I would choose over any burb), Crossgates/St.Pats/Joan of Arc, Old Orchard/Gesu, Several areas of West Toledo are nice. Also the Old West End Community swears by it. They say they all watch out for each other and that keeps them safe and they have a very close community because of it.

there are alot of nice areas in Toledo and alot of nice things to do and see here...but to put it in perspective we are the typical midwestern blue collar manufacturing union loving city..born and raised Jeep workers... corner bars...working class city all the way... even our suburbs are affordable. the job outlook isn't all that good. we're high in foreclosures. we like our friday night hs football games. we have a big university. we have our district attorney whos in bed with one of the judges. OUr sherrif has been indicted for various things several times. OUr city has recently been in the news for being a teenage prostitution hub. we are at the crossroads at interstate ⁸⁰⁄₉₀ which goes from the east coast to the west coast and I-75 which goes from the Dirty D (detroit) all the way to Miami.... this is the biggest "little" town you've ever seen. but I live in the suburbs and raise my son here and while every year I wish I'd move mostly cause of the weather...here I am!! ha!

[shitstorm]

I remember a professor once saying that we need to legalize drugs because we'll never win that war...put the $$ instead into education and treatment...it was not the "drugs" that made people violent/crime/murder but the "business of drugs" that was responsible for the violence/crime/murders...I remember being shocked at first at thinking legalizing all drugs ...but then think of all of the addicts in jail that maybe wouldn't have been exposed to this gangsta life...get the non-violent ones out of jail ...who cares if they sit home all day and get wasted as long as they don't hurt any innocent people...open up room in the jails for the pedophiles and murderers that now they have to let out early because of no room...just food for thought...

Some cute kids way way over their heads...like someone said...in a world / culture Lisa probably had no idea what those around her were capable of....

I'm glad somebody gets it. Legalize atleast pot, and yes I smoke pot, but the true reason it needs to be legalized is listed above. Leave jail cells for killers. Drug addicts need medical help not jail time. just like people that want guns banned. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Pencils don't mis spell words and forks don't make you fat. Vote for Ron Paul if you agree

Right on.

[aileen]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE....again....don't quote 5000 words to add a tiny few of your own. you can trim all that baggage. thankyou!!
i'm running out of bandwidth!

You have more patience than I, LC!! It's driving me nuts!!

[ZEROSPHERES]

To Barbara

Your signiture says:
"Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth"

The dark side of "The Moon" has always remained "hidden" The moon's rotation and and orbit around the earth means its has ALWAYS been hidden, like from the beginning of the cosmos...How long you wanna bet before what you say comes to pass?

zero

[Jane]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE....again....don't quote 5000 words to add a tiny few of your own. you can trim all that baggage. thankyou!!
i'm running out of bandwidth!

got cha!

[lou1975]

Anywhere you live you will have your bad areas. My man and I discussed this when we moved back to London (UK) We live in a nice little estate, but if you cross over the road next to us, then it is a completely different world to us. We have gangs ie, busy block (lol) Red Road (lol) We hear gun shots too often. My neighbours son is part of one of them and is always telling me "yes bruv/blud (ahem I am a girl and certainly not gang material) best be tekkin a go on dat youtoob and chek aaat ma new track innit" I say erm pardon I didnt quite get that can you say it again. I say that a few times until I understand. I prefer Cockney speach.

How weird seeing Brit speak ("innit") mixed with gang speak, lol. Innit has alway been my favorite Brit word.

Just look how far America prison culture has spread. It didn't do that by American ex-cons becoming ex-pats, either. It was spread through music and film by people who live in gated communities and have private jets.

lol. "Innit doe" (though) is my daughters favourite when trying to wind Mummy up.
she has a different language it seems when talking to her friends.

[seasontickets]

Unless ofcourse you live in California, Michigan, and/or Colorado.[/i]

[Barbara]

To Barbara

Your signiture says:
"Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth"

The dark side of "The Moon" has always remained "hidden" The moon's rotation and and orbit around the earth means its has ALWAYS been hidden, like from the beginning of the cosmos...How long you wanna bet before what you say comes to pass?

zero

Truth SHINES through shadow

[shitstorm]

Don't be knockin' my city. I am not a thug but I am a 3^rd generation south ender and I take pride in where I am from. Not gang pride but we can't all be suburban snobs. Thats what they call "white flight". People get scared and leave and don't put anything back in.

I agree, I have seen happen with so many cities, it started with "white flight" and then went to middle class flight, trying to get their kids out of the cities.

"I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health and the liberties of man."

"The mobs of great cities add just so much to the support of pure government, as sores do to the strength of the human body."

~ Thomas Jefferson

[curious]

Unless ofcourse you live in California, Michigan, and/or Colorado.[/i]

As stated previously, can someone PLEASE start a new thread "Youth Gone Wild" cause we're getting way

I would but at work and not on a PC...

[Jane]

when this is over and a trial is over, we shall have a Mockers party. i'll throw a big clambake here on Cape Cod! :B :come and join us:

lol, I'm in! I DO hope it's solved soon. I'm getting antsy as hell!

[Jane]

I went to the benefit and unfortunately there is nothing to report. I got there at 12:30 and announced i was there to support the Straub family. The hostess sat us at a random table. I asked the waiter when the benefit started and he said it already did. Half the days proceeds go towards the fund. I asked if anyone from the family was there and they said he didn't see anyone. They thanked me for my support. I have to say I was a little disappointed. I wonder if anyone else had a better experience.

I kept scrolling & scrolling, trying to find info about the benefit. Thanks for commenting about it!

[Lady Cop]

when this is over and a trial is over, we shall have a Mockers party. i'll throw a big clambake here on Cape Cod! :B :come and join us:

lol, I'm in! I DO hope it's solved soon. I'm getting antsy as hell!

when the snow melts and killers in jail gang!

[Jane]

has anyone heard that jc's wallet was taped to his chest? and she was beaten with a baseball bat?

a "local" posted a rumor Lisa was hit with a ball bat, but I've heard nothing about Johnny's wallet!