Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[shitstorm]

Geeze, if anyone on this forum works for the Toledo Convention & Visitors Bureau I would highly recommend a new image/marketing plans be in the works :O

I can see it now...Toldeo: Living in a Gangtas Paradise

Sorry, couldn't resist

Ok I want to clear up what everybody sees on the facebook pages. Its called hip hop style. Its a style. Flat billed hat big sweatpants and such. Doesn't mean your a gangster or a criminal. Its a style. Most city kids dress like that. Though some of the people on the pages might very well be criminals I'm sure that all of them aren't. My husband dresses and talks like that. He's not a gangster or a criminal. He's just a guy who grew up in a mixed culture. He's not a poser either. This is urban not suburb crap.

Most people have no idea of the genesis of that which they emulate. The hats came from baseball. Hip-hop came from the ghetto. Baggy pants falling off the body came from prison culture.

Lets see... If I had a young daughter, would she be listening to Miley Cyrus and and watching MTV? Fuck no. I'd take her to the ballet, the symphony and send to her Outward Bound. Which kid would you think would have a better chance at turning out better?

[Jane]

when this is over and a trial is over, we shall have a Mockers party. i'll throw a big clambake here on Cape Cod! :B :come and join us:

lol, I'm in! I DO hope it's solved soon. I'm getting antsy as hell!

when the snow melts and killers in jail gang!

LOOKIN GOOD!

[Methusala]

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I guess that would depend on your definition of "shithole." If there is a nice part of toledo, I'd love to find it.
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Ummm, quite a few. Crossgates area, Heatherdowns area, Beverly area, Harvard Area.[/quote]

and add Sylvania, Ottawa Hills, Old Orchard, etc.

[Jane]

there was a party there the night before.. and the key was stamped with three numbers and it is supposed to stand for the person whodid it so they can get paid or a message out there

that's interesting!!

[Butterfly Girl]

Lets see... If I had a young daughter, would she be listening to Miley Cyrus and and watching MTV? Fuck no. I'd take her to the ballet, the symphony and send to her Outward Bound. Which kid would you think would have a better chance at turning out better?
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Its hard work raising decent kids and theres also a lot of luck that goes into it also. I cant judge Lisas family I dont know much about them but the others in this circle obviously didnt have positive role models as parents .

[Methusala]

there was a party there the night before.. and the key was stamped with three numbers and it is supposed to stand for the person whodid it so they can get paid or a message out there

that's interesting!!

Personally, I don't believe that part. I surmise the perps were determined to find the non-existent safe, found that key and then demanded LS show them where the key would fit on the premises. Unfortunately, nowhere. It was likely a storage key. Or maybe a key to her Dad's clothing change locker at work, etc.

[Jane]

has anyone heard that jc's wallet was taped to his chest? and she was beaten with a baseball bat?

I heard that!!

good! I'm finally glad to see someone else remembers "baseball bat" mentioned! (local rumor)

[Jane]

I found it odd the very first time I heard it. I kind of felt like she was saying "we're not suspect, my cousin is in the military". Like when a relative says "My brother's a cop", trying to use power and position to benifit themselves. Does that make any sense?

that's exactly how I felt, when first listening to that 911 call. No one else here thought it odd, though.

[shitstorm]

To Barbara

Your signiture says:
"Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth"

The dark side of "The Moon" has always remained "hidden" The moon's rotation and and orbit around the earth means its has ALWAYS been hidden, like from the beginning of the cosmos...How long you wanna bet before what you say comes to pass?

zero

hahaha!

Ah, yes, the moon. Some say it's an artificial satellite from an alien past.

Off topic!

[Jane]

Just got home from Friday's. Nothing special. Waiter didn't even mention anything about the benefit until I asked. I seen a big group of older people while I was there. They were hugging a lot. Don't know if they were related or not. But.... I got my fried green beans!

Did you happen to see a nekkid guy eating taters?

[Red_velvet71]

when this is over and a trial is over, we shall have a Mockers party. i'll throw a big clambake here on Cape Cod! :B :come and join us:

lol, I'm in! I DO hope it's solved soon. I'm getting antsy as hell!

when the snow melts and killers in jail gang!

Damn LC, now I'm really hungry!

[rotten_cotton]

has anyone heard that jc's wallet was taped to his chest? and she was beaten with a baseball bat?

a "local" posted a rumor Lisa was hit with a ball bat, but I've heard nothing about Johnny's wallet!

That local was me and it's possible that it is just a rumor as smiles4u stated they live in the neighborhood and I heard that from my parents, also in the neighborhood. Could just be gossip.

[Jane]

Maybe LE is putting out bogus info to get someone to talk? Like, maybe the key was really stamped with "123" - NOT 554/544/whatever number they said it was. So, if someone is expecting to get paid by leaving this "calling card", they're going to have to speak up and correct this misinformation?

LOL - I hope I'm explaining myself clearly!

YES, I understand what you mean! Could be.

[shitstorm]

has anyone heard that jc's wallet was taped to his chest? and she was beaten with a baseball bat?

a "local" posted a rumor Lisa was hit with a ball bat, but I've heard nothing about Johnny's wallet!

That local was me and it's possible that it is just a rumor as smiles4u stated they live in the neighborhood and I heard that from my parents, also in the neighborhood. Could just be gossip.

I have a feeling that the the most recent post about the key and the number on it being a code for a killer to get paid came RIGHT FROM THIS BOARD. That was posited in the early pages of this thread and everybody and their brother is reading here. Personally, I think it's nonsense.

[kitty1]

Just a little something. I don't know if it sheds any light on the crime. About ten years ago a group of friends that had just graduated a couple of years before from Bowsher High School (same high school as a lot of these characters) murdered their friend for drugs. Shot him in the back of the head while they were riding in his car and broke all his bones and shoved him in a drain pipe. It took about a year for LE to get the whole case together but they did get a conviction. This was a robbery for drug money. Although, the method of murder is not the same it was still very brutal. I don't remember all the reports but I believe they also poured gasoline or acid on him. However, contrary to what several people want to harp on. Toledo is not a shithole filled in drug dealing criminals. We have problems like any other big city. (we are not a tiny honkey tonk town) But Toledo is not a shithole.

I agree Toledo is not a shithole but it is cheap to live there and not a lot of jobs so therefore there are a lot of people like this. I am originally from lima, hour south of toledo
And my bf from toledo and we left both because there is not a lot of jobs. I've always said toledo is a bigger lima...low income and drug infested in some areas. I now live in a columbus suburb...single mother college graduate that works 2 full time jobs to make sure my 16 year old son see a better way than being a dope dealer making fast money.... but even in the suburbs u see the drugs. Its different though...pills and weed is what they are into. Pill addiction is big and these kids have the money to spend. That is why lisa gets mixed up with TW because they have that in common and the only thing that separates them in the neighborhoods they grew up in. I believe lisa was on this path prior to ever meeting JC so u can't blame him for her addiction...my opinion only.

No one ever said that Lisa was addicted to anything?

[Butterfly Girl]

I just listened to the 911 tapes again and from what maytee states in the second call it was 30 minutes since she got the call about jc and ls .. how did she get emergency help for herself and have time to drive to lisas house with the cousin in 30 minutes?

[Jane]

I think that is certainly a possibility. I believe, however, that this was much more personal. It just seems too hard core for a drug deal gone bad. IMO I think that JC was dealing drugs but I don't think that he was a "big time" dealer. I believe he was a small fish and wasn't flipping hundreds of thousands of dollars or even tens of thousands. I know that people have been killed over a $20 drug debt but I don't think someone(no matter how gansta) would kill in this manner for a $500 or even a $1,000 debt. I believe the guy that he snitched on a few years back sought revenge. I think that the crowd JC associated with (or more importantly used to associate with) view snitching as the ultimate betrayal. I think torturing and killing Lisa in front of JC was the ultimate revenge. IMO the perps chose what they felt would be the most physically and emotionally painful method of revenge and death. I think their plan was, of course, based on what they felt they could get away with at the time. JMO

your post gave me the chills! Reminds of how Joe Pesci's character in the movie "Casino", was made to watch his brother being beaten w/a baseball bat, ugh

[kitty1]

Quick recap.

Tiffany stated that she was going to play pool with a friend at the Straubs and that her boyfriend couldn't make it, as he was at home doing a paper for school.

She stated that the police have looked at/examined her phone records (verifying that her record of conversations was correct) but did not need to confiscate her phone to do so.

She indicated that the police have interviewed at least three people. Herself, her boyfriend and an unnamed party, known as the minor.

She stated that she did not feel robbery was the primary motive and that this crime was of a more personal nature. She indicated that she had an idea that no one else was expected at the Straub home that evening. And, she feels a person who was involved in a robbery with JC years back could be a prime suspect.

She said that JC said he was planning to call her back after responding to someone saying essentially what are you doing here, who are you. She stated this is why she did not contact police immediately.

She indicated that she could not hear Lisa or the mystery man who was in the home at the time in question.

She stated that she did not see inside the home, or claim it was ransacked, at any time.

Please add to the recap as you see fit. Just trying to consolidate info.

Tiffany/Mock members, feel free to correct anything I have wrong.

Thanks again for joining us Tiffany. We look forward to learning more.

worth going over again...

I don't know where the above original quote is on this thread. It is from "netsleuth" and he/she is no longer posting on this forum. I think there should be a correction. Above it states that she did not see inside the home but, I believe she stated on this forum that she looked in the side windows of the front door and saw a closet open at the top of the stairs. I think she said that Maytee may have embellished that comment and turned it into "ransacked".

right! You are correct! (in bold above)

thank you!

[notsure]

The morning of my move I woke up to a 6'0 tall 300+lb mexican dude standing in my bedroom doorway at 6am. :O

if you don't mind me asking, what happened?

[Duchess]

thank you!

You did not quote that entire lengthy mess just to say thank you! Are you oblivious to the comments that LC & others have been saying regarding that? Trim the fucking posts, you did not need all that just to thank someone.

Don't take this personally, I could be commenting to anyone of you who do the same damn thing...and I will if I see it again.

Yes, Duchess is a bitch.