Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[curious]

Winder why JC wasn't on FB or MySpace?

[sharit]

Under other circumstances this would be funny. But this poor woman's child was brutally murdered. She gets a pass from me. I don't care what she has said or done in her past. I woul lose my fucking mind over this.

damn i have to agree with you nina. i hope one of her loved ones gets her the help she needs to get through this. if this had happened to one of my children, i could not even get out of bed, for a long,long time.

[Sincere]

Winder why JC wasn't on FB or MySpace?

I've wondered that myself. It seems he had MANY friends . Most kids that age FB ....

[Sincere]

Under other circumstances this would be funny. But this poor woman's child was brutally murdered. She gets a pass from me. I don't care what she has said or done in her past. I woul lose my fucking mind over this.

damn i have to agree with you nina. i hope one of her loved ones gets her the help she needs to get through this. if this had happened to one of my children, i could not even get out of bed, for a long,long time.

I agree , she does need help . I think she wasn't mentally stable prior to this and now this has sent her over the edge. HOWEVER , putting hexes and spells on all of us and wishing that we choke on our tongues is a little much , don't you think ???

[NightOwl]

If they were doing cocaine or heroin would they get thinner? What are the signs of a user? I still think one lone monster is behind the murders!

And you know what? You could be right, Owl! ("one lone monster") It's sure been done before. And as far as what those drugs do to people. I know a coke head & she's a big woman, so I don't know that it's always the case, that a person gets thinner ?? I guess most do? I hope this doesn't offend anyone, because I mean no harm, but in pictures of Lisa, last summer, she's much chunkier looking than she is in the more recent picture of her & Johnny. Who knows?

Thanks for the answer - I know people that smoke a lot get thin but, not all of them so maybe drugs act differently in certain people also.
I thought Lisa looked thinner in the Christmas picture compared to the beach picture July 2010. As you say Jane. Who knows!

[NightOwl]

Winder why JC wasn't on FB or MySpace?

Johnny has a MySpace page I think it was El Cubano.

[NightOwl]

Winder why JC wasn't on FB or MySpace?

Johnny has a MySpace page I think it was El Cubano.

MySpace link for Johnny http://http://www.myspace.com/elcubano1018

[kitty1]

I pray that the Creator, universe, whatever, relieves her of this terrible pain and that her anger finds some end................. It's not good for her. It just has to play itself out.

Sounds like if you threw water on her she would scream

[kitty1]

nobody's talking so I'm going to bed y'all. Why do I have a green spade next to my name?? No one else does. I looked for the answer but can't find it. Anybody know??

[gimpgrl163]

If they were doing cocaine or heroin would they get thinner? What are the signs of a user? I still think one lone monster is behind the murders!

And you know what? You could be right, Owl! ("one lone monster") It's sure been done before. And as far as what those drugs do to people. I know a coke head & she's a big woman, so I don't know that it's always the case, that a person gets thinner ?? I guess most do? I hope this doesn't offend anyone, because I mean no harm, but in pictures of Lisa, last summer, she's much chunkier looking than she is in the more recent picture of her & Johnny. Who knows?

I'll add my two cents in on this one. If you are using cocaine more than just a recreational user (like on the occasional weekend or whatever), you are more than likely going to lose a bit of weight. Using cocaine regularly makes you not want to eat. Also, I have seen cocaine "chunks" I guess (not crack but not in powder form) be broken off, weighed and packaged into the corners of those sandwich baggies, tied then cut off. Hence the baggie pieces found in the kitchen. He could have been splitting up a larger amount into smaller baggies getting ready to flip it for easier sale. All weighed out and packaged up individually so the buyer just has to ask for a particular amount and it's ready.

[gimpgrl163]

nobody's talking so I'm going to bed y'all. Why do I have a green spade next to my name?? No one else does. I looked for the answer but can't find it. Anybody know??

I *think* that means you are currently online. Not sure though.

[lawheeze]

nobody's talking so I'm going to bed y'all. Why do I have a green spade next to my name?? No one else does. I looked for the answer but can't find it. Anybody know??

I *think* that means you are currently online. Not sure though.

That is correct.

[BellaMia]

BellaMia, regarding the Florida connection - I wondered about it since Maytee is Cuban and Johnny & Lisa were there not all that long ago. I was speculating that Johnny may have established some connection for dealing that eventually led to their murders. The nature of the killings was so brutal that it reminded me of Columbian and Mexican drug cartels. That's a long shot, if a possibility. I think that EastCoastKat will turn out to be right, though, and it will be local players who did this. However, we have the statement from the cops saying the killers weren't around or whatever that was they said.

Ever since you posted those 3 or 4 links the other night, I can't get it off my mind, about it being a drug cartel. Tiffany said Johnny was in with a lot of people. People that she didn't know. (IF one wants to believe her) ... I'm starting to wonder if he wasn't dealing in heroin. My brain is about shot, flip-flopping on this case.

I dont want to put everything out in the open about people who may have absolutley nothing to do with this but thats exactly why I have been asking questions about older people because of those that I know and those I know of. Some of the families tied into the the "initials" (to many to name) lol so to speak are large name families and well connected from Detroit to Mexico to Chicago To Columbia. I grew up with quite a few of the older ones not knowing till I came across them seaching the who knows who on fb. There was an 18yr investigation at the time between the cities and countries I listed busted here you can look up around ummmm I'd say it was 2000 sometime. Might be easier to search from the names in this link http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf...57n-06.pdf anyways it was huge many people and if you can find an Indictment list alot of the names are in there. Another investigation some of the same families different players. Some of the families you will see are cousins or the girlfriends of these boys family. Some information into why I was curious sorry to cut off have been seaching information for all of you as i was typing and its very late now. I do want to be clear though i do not know if any of the people I am mentioning are directly related to the victims families just the friends and their girlfriends.

[BellaMia]

BellaMia, regarding the Florida connection - I wondered about it since Maytee is Cuban and Johnny & Lisa were there not all that long ago. I was speculating that Johnny may have established some connection for dealing that eventually led to their murders. The nature of the killings was so brutal that it reminded me of Columbian and Mexican drug cartels. That's a long shot, if a possibility. I think that EastCoastKat will turn out to be right, though, and it will be local players who did this. However, we have the statement from the cops saying the killers weren't around or whatever that was they said.

Ever since you posted those 3 or 4 links the other night, I can't get it off my mind, about it being a drug cartel. Tiffany said Johnny was in with a lot of people. People that she didn't know. (IF one wants to believe her) ... I'm starting to wonder if he wasn't dealing in heroin. My brain is about shot, flip-flopping on this case.

I dont want to put everything out in the open about people who may have absolutley nothing to do with this but thats exactly why I have been asking questions about older people because of those that I know and those I know of. Some of the families tied into the the "initials" (to many to name) lol so to speak are large name families and well connected from Detroit to Mexico to Chicago To Columbia. I grew up with quite a few of the older ones not knowing till I came across them seaching the who knows who on fb. There was an 18yr investigation at the time between the cities and countries I listed busted here you can look up around ummmm I'd say it was 2000 sometime. Might be easier to search from the names in this link http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf...57n-06.pdf anyways it was huge many people and if you can find an Indictment list alot of the names are in there. Another investigation some of the same families different players. Some of the families you will see are cousins or the girlfriends of these boys family. Some information into why I was curious sorry to cut off have been seaching information for all of you as i was typing and its very late now. I do want to be clear though i do not know if any of the people I am mentioning are directly related to the victims families just the friends and their girlfriends.

forgot the other link http://www.justice.gov/usao/ohn/news%202...er2005.htm one name will sick out.

[ToledoNative]

Johnny's myspace is actually:

http://www.myspace.com/elcubano1018

There is a pic of him and some girl and the comment under the pic is, "John and Maytee part 2".

A few just silly, cute pics then a pic of him laying on the bed where he wrote that he was "blowed" and someone posted the comment:

HMM LO0KS LiKE MY BABY GOT AN ADMiRER LOL..WELL SHE CAN ADMiRE YOU FROM A FAR BECAUSE iM THE ONLY BiTCH THATS GONE BE LAYiN NEXT TO YOU THATS FOR SURE ;]...¿Y DiCE ESO JODiENDO QUE RAMERA PARA PARAR COMENTARLE, QUE SOY SUPUESTO SENTARSE APENAS Y PARA MiRAR QUE Y LA RiSA? ¡NAW USTED BORRA MEJOR SU ASNO A JOHNNY QUE YO NO BROMEO YO NO QUiERO VER ESA MiERDA!
·3 years ago

All the pics and comments looks like they are from 2-4 years ago.

[ToledoNative]

Ok so the girl (? looks like a boy) that posted that and the spanish writing (I don't know what it says, I don't speak Spanish) looks like she was really in love with Johnny. Her initials are "J.F." There's all kinds of I love you's and I'm in love with you, etc.

An older woman posted on his myspace "you promised to buy me a bentley". That was two years ago. Hmmmmmm...

[ToledoNative]

Johnny's girlfriend "J.F." posted this three years ago, what does it say??

El CORAZON ES LLENADO DE TAN DOLOR de MCUH PORQUE yo no PUEDO CREER QUE USTED SEA IDO REALMENTE yo TODAVIA ESPERO SU LLAMADA O PARA USTED ANDAR POR LA PUERTA. PAPI que QUIERO OIR que SU RISA Y VER SU SONRISA Y SENTIRse SU TOQUE. CUANDO USTED REGRESA EN CASA SERA EL MEJOR DIA DE MIS VIDA.NOSOTROS TENDRA UNA VIDA BUENA JUNTA Y FORMARA UNA FAMILIA COMO USTED DIJO Y ES JUNTO HASTA QUE EL FIN DE TIEMPO Y el TIEMPO PASE Y EN BEBi. YO PERMANECE FUERTE PARA USTED Y PARA yo HOPE USTED HACE LO QUE USTED ES SUPONE ESTAR HACIENDO EN OREDER PARA USTED VOLVER A CASA USTED CON TODO MI CORAZON Y ALMA SIN USTED yo no PUEDO PASAR TAN REGRESA POR FAVOR EN CASA A MI.

[ToledoNative]

Some other girl posted this...what does it say?

TE QUIERO MUCHO!!!!
HABIA UNA VEZ UN MUCHACHO EL PRIMERO EN TODO, MEJOR
ATLETA, MEJOR ESTUDIANTE, PERO LO QUE NUNCA SUPO FUE SI
ERA BUEN HIJO, UN BUEN COMPAÑERO, UN BUEN AMIGO O UN BUEN NOVIO.



EN UN DIA DE DEPRESION EL MUCHACHO SE DEJO MORIR,
CUANDO IBA CAMINO AL CIELO SE ENCONTRO CON UN ANGEL
Y ESTE LE PREGUNTO: POR QUE LO HICISTE SI SABIAS QUE TODOS TE QUERIAN?..
A LO QUE EL RESPONDIO:
HAY VECES QUE VALE MAS UNA SOLA PALABRA DE CONSUELO QUE
TODO LO QUE SE SIENTA... EN TANTO TIEMPO NUNCA ESCUCHE:
ESTOY ORGULLOSO DE TI, GRACIAS POR SER MI AMIGO .....
NI SIQUIERA UN "TE QUIERO MUCHO....." DE LA PERSONA A LA QUE MAS AME.



AL QUEDAR PENSATIVO EL ANGEL, EL MUCHACHO DIJO:
"Y SABES QUE ES LO QUE MÁS DUELE??
EL ANGEL TRISTE LE PREGUNTÓ: ¿QUE? Y RESPONDIO,
QUE TODAVIA ESPERO ESCUCHARLO ALGUN DIA!!
UN TE QUIERO !!!!!
LUEGO DE ESTO EL ANGEL ABRAZO AL MUCHACHO Y LE DICE QUE NO SE PREOCUPE PORQUE SE ACERCA A LA UNICA PERSONA QUE
SIEMPRE LE DIJO AL OIDO QUE LO AMABA PERO EL NUNCA LO
ESCUCHO PERO QUE LO RECIBE CON LOS BRAZOS ABIERTOS.



ES IMPORTANTE DECIRLE A LAS PERSONAS QUE QUIERES LO
IMPORTANTES QUE SON PARA TI.



ENVIA ESTE MENSAJE A AQUELLAS
PERSONAS QUE DE VERDAD SIGNIFICAN ALGO PARA TI....INCLUYENDO A LA PERSONA QUE TE LO ENVIO PARA ESTA PERSONA TU VALES ORO!!!!!
SI MUERO HOY....SOLO QUERIA QUE LO SUPIERAS,
GRACIAS POR TU AMISTAD !!!!!
!!!!!!!!!TE QUIERO MUCHO !!!!!!!
"PARA CREAR ALGO HERMOSO TOMA TIEMPO Y DEDICACIÓN, PARA DESTRUIRLO SOLO SEGUNDOS .."
(*~)...(*~)...(*~)
NADA TENDRIA
SENTIDO, SI NUNCA
TE HUBIERA CONOCIDOOOOOO
·3 years ago

[Duchess]

Johnny's girlfriend "J.F." posted this three years ago, what does it say??

El CORAZON ES LLENADO DE TAN DOLOR de MCUH PORQUE yo no PUEDO CREER QUE USTED SEA IDO REALMENTE yo TODAVIA ESPERO SU LLAMADA O PARA USTED ANDAR POR LA PUERTA. PAPI que QUIERO OIR que SU RISA Y VER SU SONRISA Y SENTIRse SU TOQUE. CUANDO USTED REGRESA EN CASA SERA EL MEJOR DIA DE MIS VIDA.NOSOTROS TENDRA UNA VIDA BUENA JUNTA Y FORMARA UNA FAMILIA COMO USTED DIJO Y ES JUNTO HASTA QUE EL FIN DE TIEMPO Y el TIEMPO PASE Y EN BEBi. YO PERMANECE FUERTE PARA USTED Y PARA yo HOPE USTED HACE LO QUE USTED ES SUPONE ESTAR HACIENDO EN OREDER PARA USTED VOLVER A CASA USTED CON TODO MI CORAZON Y ALMA SIN USTED yo no PUEDO PASAR TAN REGRESA POR FAVOR EN CASA A MI.

THE HEART IS FULL OF SO MUCH PAIN BECAUSE I CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE REALLY GONE I STILL HOPE FOR YOUR CALL OR YOU WALK IN THE DOOR. PAPI I WANT TO HEAR THAT YOUR LAUGH AND SEE YOUR SMILE AND FEEL YOUR TOUCH. WHEN YOU WILL BE BACK AT HOME THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE HAVE A GOOD VIDA.NOSOTROS BOARD AND BECOME A FAMILY AS YOU SAID AND YOU TOGETHER UNTIL THE END OF TIME AND TIME AND GO DRINK. I STAY STRONG FOR YOU AND I HOPE YOU DO THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IN ORED YOU COMING HOME YOU WITH ALL MY HEART AND SOUL WITHOUT YOU SO I CAN NOT GO HOME PLEASE RETURN TO ME.

[ToledoNative]

Johnny's girlfriend "J.F." posted this three years ago, what does it say??

El CORAZON ES LLENADO DE TAN DOLOR de MCUH PORQUE yo no PUEDO CREER QUE USTED SEA IDO REALMENTE yo TODAVIA ESPERO SU LLAMADA O PARA USTED ANDAR POR LA PUERTA. PAPI que QUIERO OIR que SU RISA Y VER SU SONRISA Y SENTIRse SU TOQUE. CUANDO USTED REGRESA EN CASA SERA EL MEJOR DIA DE MIS VIDA.NOSOTROS TENDRA UNA VIDA BUENA JUNTA Y FORMARA UNA FAMILIA COMO USTED DIJO Y ES JUNTO HASTA QUE EL FIN DE TIEMPO Y el TIEMPO PASE Y EN BEBi. YO PERMANECE FUERTE PARA USTED Y PARA yo HOPE USTED HACE LO QUE USTED ES SUPONE ESTAR HACIENDO EN OREDER PARA USTED VOLVER A CASA USTED CON TODO MI CORAZON Y ALMA SIN USTED yo no PUEDO PASAR TAN REGRESA POR FAVOR EN CASA A MI.

THE HEART IS FULL OF SO MUCH PAIN BECAUSE I CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE REALLY GONE I STILL HOPE FOR YOUR CALL OR YOU WALK IN THE DOOR. PAPI I WANT TO HEAR THAT YOUR LAUGH AND SEE YOUR SMILE AND FEEL YOUR TOUCH. WHEN YOU WILL BE BACK AT HOME THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE HAVE A GOOD VIDA.NOSOTROS BOARD AND BECOME A FAMILY AS YOU SAID AND YOU TOGETHER UNTIL THE END OF TIME AND TIME AND GO DRINK. I STAY STRONG FOR YOU AND I HOPE YOU DO THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IN ORED YOU COMING HOME YOU WITH ALL MY HEART AND SOUL WITHOUT YOU SO I CAN NOT GO HOME PLEASE RETURN TO ME.

Thanks!!
Her profile says, "Hustle Bunny". She looks like a boy.