Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Jane]

I think whoever is dissing LC is probably a disgruntled Mocker & has a personal agenda.

This thread has ALWAYS been managed in a responsible manner. While there have been moments of outrageous speculation the thread was put back on track in a timely fashion. The law of averages says in every group of people there is at least one asshole.

I would like to add, I think many of you "police" yourselves and others when things appear to be going out of control. I appreciate that. I don't expect LC to monitor this thread ²⁴⁄₇ and rightly so.

Makes sense to me. Some disgruntled asswipe who was probably a member here at one time. And while I'm commenting, I'd like to say, for anyone who has a problem with my comments about Maytee - get over it, or simply ignore me. I have every right to state my opinion about her, & just because I'm not boohoo'ing about her ass, or posting on & on about how heartbroken I am for her, doesn't mean I don't want justice for Lisa & Johnny. I had sympathy for her at first, but lost every ounce of it, within about two weeks.

[JsMom]

I think whoever is dissing LC is probably a disgruntled Mocker & has a personal agenda.

This thread has ALWAYS been managed in a responsible manner. While there have been moments of outrageous speculation the thread was put back on track in a timely fashion. The law of averages says in every group of people there is at least one asshole.

I would like to add, I think many of you "police" yourselves and others when things appear to be going out of control. I appreciate that. I don't expect LC to monitor this thread ²⁴⁄₇ and rightly so.

Makes sense to me. Some disgruntled asswipe who was probably a member here at one time. And while I'm commenting, I'd like to say, for anyone who has a problem with my comments about Maytee - get over it, or simply ignore me. I have every right to state my opinion about her, & just because I'm not boohoo'ing about her ass, or posting on & on about how heartbroken I am for her, doesn't mean I don't want justice for Lisa & Johnny. I had sympathy for her at first, but lost every ounce of it, within about two weeks.

opinions are like assholes~~I think everyone here has a good opinion in some way shape or form. I appreciate it actually. I like hearing everyones opinions.

[heartbreaker6713]

I found this about MM & BC. I'm posting it because I know there was discussion about how US Marshalls picked them up etc. NOTE: They have not been named as persons of interest in this case by LE but they've been mentioned here.

look i am going to keep real cause i am tired of all the bullshit then i am done with it .i did not snitch on MM or BC and you can look that shit up its a public record lucascourtdockets.com
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But i will tell all of you that tomorrow i will probably be going down to press charges on MM ass for talking bout he going to kill me or use my kids to get to me so if that makes me a snitch then so be it .i am, tired of the bullshit all you have to do is file for a motion of discovery buts i guess you dont need that cause you think you know.
2 hours ago.

and just so if their aint anybody that don't know exactly what happen ,here it is my baby mama /ex wife was fucking BC he got into some shit and decided he had to bounce well as we all know the us marshalls was looking for him ,so on th...at note my ex decided to tell me she was moving to florida with my kids and instead didn't tell when she was leaving and moved with my kids to be on the run with BC so i tracked my kids down (did i find them YES)did i snitch on them NO it wasn't even 24 hours after she got their with him they got caught .but because i told BC i knew where they were and if my kids didnt call me i was coming to get them. itried to press kidnapping charges on my ex but they told me their was nothing they could do cause we were still married and she was the mother.but i didn't tell her or BC that ,and for some reason they want to think that us marshalls wouldnt follow her or track his phone .so if knowing where they where they were and not saying nothing makes me a snitch then so be it .BUT NOW I DID ALSO TELL BC NOTHING WOULD STAND IN THE WAY OF MY KIDS NOT EVEN HIM
2 hours ago.

and on MMs note telling people i snitched explain to me how a mf thats a flight risk and out on bond with multiple failure to appears (look at his record lucascountycourtdockets.com) gets out on bond
2 hours ago.

Who's page is this on?

[eye.of.my]

Ok can someone please PM me who all these abreviations belong to? I am way confused lol. Does anyone know a last name on Z? And out of curiousity how did BC become a person of interest anyway?

[Freshbait78]

I wonder if this is FACT. Thanks for posting it tho. It was pretty interesting.

I wouldn't call it FACT. I'd call it a testimony, granted this person wasn't under oath making this statement so it could be false. Again, I posted it because there have been theories discussed about how the US Marshalls were able to locate BC & MM. Off the top of my head, one theory was that they were staying on a army base & the Marshalls were alerted when BC & MM entered the base.

[JsMom]

I wonder if this is FACT. Thanks for posting it tho. It was pretty interesting.

I wouldn't call it FACT. I'd call it a testimony, granted this person wasn't under oath making this statement so it could be false. Again, I posted it because there have been theories discussed about how the US Marshalls were able to locate BC & MM. Off the top of my head, one theory was that they were staying on a army base & the Marshalls were alerted when BC & MM entered the base.

I HEARD that BCs sister lives on base and that her husband is on active duty! I am not sure if this is true or just an accusation. Just thought Id share that.

[Freshbait78]

I HEARD that BCs sister lives on base and that her husband is on active duty! I am not sure if this is true or just an accusation. Just thought Id share that.

I know for a FACT that is untrue. It is MMs sister whose husband is active duty military & I do not know if she lives on or off base but I do know for a fact that MM & BC were found when her home in Kansas was raided on Valentines Day.

[Jane]

Ok can someone please PM me who all these abreviations belong to? I am way confused lol. Does anyone know a last name on Z? And out of curiousity how did BC become a person of interest anyway?

I can't help you, sorry. I lost track of all these folks, awhile back, lol ... Personally I don't think any of these freaks actually killed Lisa & Johnny. I'll be surprised if one of them did. I have a feeling it's going to be someone no one expected.

[eye.of.my]

This forum seems more like it has gone to " Have you seen the low life criminals of Toledo?" rather than for Johnny and Lisa. Not that I am saying theres something wrong with that but JMO.

[JsMom]

I HEARD that BCs sister lives on base and that her husband is on active duty! I am not sure if this is true or just an accusation. Just thought Id share that.

I know for a FACT that is untrue. It is MMs sister whose husband is active duty military & I do not know if she lives on or off base but I do know for a fact that MM & BC were found when her home in Kansas was raided on Valentines Day.

OK i knew I heard/read somewhere that someones sister whose husband was on active duty, house got raided! Thanks for clearin that up! I guess with all these different initials I got them mixed up!

[Jane]

DUH! Winning!!

[eye.of.my]

Ok can someone please PM me who all these abreviations belong to? I am way confused lol. Does anyone know a last name on Z? And out of curiousity how did BC become a person of interest anyway?

I can't help you, sorry. I lost track of all these folks, awhile back, lol ... Personally I don't think any of these freaks actually killed Lisa & Johnny. I'll be surprised if one of them did. I have a feeling it's going to be someone no one expected.

I agree 100 %! I do not believe MM or BC had anything to do with it at all. TW, well, I feel she knows something and just not telling. Anyone else I honestly dont know who they are by initials lol. And with school and work like many, it's hard to catch up.

[heartbreaker6713]

LC or anyone else that wants to weigh in ... i learned in my class that when you touch something besides leaving your fingerprints you can also leave something called Touch DNA. That this is something that is skin cells that they can collect your DNA by swabbing it the surface and collecting. The amount of skin cells needs to be great enough that to do testing in the first place and then as well leave enough if it goes to trial that the prosecution and defense could do extensive testing on the samples. Could this be the type of DNA that was being discussed earlier when they were saying the DNA wasn't blood or semen? now it's being talked about that TW and others are possibly being fingerprinted and cheeks swabbed... what are your thoughts? Becuase if even they wore gloves it's possible for other ways of skin cells to be left behind but if they weren't wearing gloves and they touched things which was obvious....

[Jane]

I can't help you, sorry. I lost track of all these folks, awhile back, lol ... Personally I don't think any of these freaks actually killed Lisa & Johnny. I'll be surprised if one of them did. I have a feeling it's going to be someone no one expected.

I agree 100 %! I do not believe MM or BC had anything to do with it at all. TW, well, I feel she knows something and just not telling. Anyone else I honestly dont know who they are by initials lol. And with school and work like many, it's hard to catch up.

I don't think Tiffany really knows anything, but I could be wrong. So far, nothing really makes me think she knows. And another thing - Maytee says Johnny wasn't a dealer, didn't do pills, didn't owe anyone money, etc... I find that very hard to believe, since she was hell-bent on getting LE out to that house, that night. She KNEW Lisa & Johnny were in that house. She KNEW something was wrong. Furthermore, why even bring up "you set my son up", if there was nothing for him to be set up for?? She knows what her son was involved with, & THAT'S why she was so concerned that night. JMO

[JsMom]

LC or anyone else that wants to weigh in ... i learned in my class that when you touch something besides leaving your fingerprints you can also leave something called Touch DNA. That this is something that is skin cells that they can collect your DNA by swabbing it the surface and collecting. The amount of skin cells needs to be great enough that to do testing in the first place and then as well leave enough if it goes to trial that the prosecution and defense could do extensive testing on the samples. Could this be the type of DNA that was being discussed earlier when they were saying the DNA wasn't blood or semen? now it's being talked about that TW and others are possibly being fingerprinted and cheeks swabbed... what are your thoughts? Becuase if even they wore gloves it's possible for other ways of skin cells to be left behind but if they weren't wearing gloves and they touched things which was obvious....

Thanks for sharing! So if they did have gloves on and say when they punched the holes in the wall "if" thats how they did it, and cut their arm they would of left behind Touch DNA....just a thought

[eye.of.my]

I can't help you, sorry. I lost track of all these folks, awhile back, lol ... Personally I don't think any of these freaks actually killed Lisa & Johnny. I'll be surprised if one of them did. I have a feeling it's going to be someone no one expected.

I agree 100 %! I do not believe MM or BC had anything to do with it at all. TW, well, I feel she knows something and just not telling. Anyone else I honestly dont know who they are by initials lol. And with school and work like many, it's hard to catch up.

I don't think Tiffany really knows anything, but I could be wrong. So far, nothing really makes me think she knows. And another thing - Maytee says Johnny wasn't a dealer, didn't do pills, didn't owe anyone money, etc... I find that very hard to believe, since she was hell-bent on getting LE out to that house, that night. She KNEW Lisa & Johnny were in that house. She KNEW something was wrong. Furthermore, why even bring up "you set my son up", if there was nothing for him to be set up for?? She knows what her son was involved with, & THAT'S why she was so concerned that night. JMO

Well you are right once again as we all have seen Maytee is a compulsive lier and I am sure that like many of the young adults in this area he may have dabbled a little in somethings that he shouldn't have. I am torn between two theories here, 1. Maytee knows more than she is saying and for whatever reason aint talking and took TW being there as a way to throw off LE from the perps. Does she maybe have a life insurance on him? But if she did why all the donations? ( kinda have thrown the insurance theory out the window allready) or 2. TW knew something was going on. Maybe it wasn't supposed to be a murder and Johnny and Lisa fought back and the perps changed plans. Maybe TW is fearful for her life and her childs life and don't want to be the next victim. But again this is just my opinion, I now have a notebook full of notes and theories and its driving me fricken nuts. I hope LE is really on thier jobs with this one and don't let it go cold as I have seen them do some.

[NightOwl]

Ok can someone please PM me who all these abreviations belong to? I am way confused lol. Does anyone know a last name on Z? And out of curiousity how did BC become a person of interest anyway?

I can't help you, sorry. I lost track of all these folks, awhile back, lol ... Personally I don't think any of these freaks actually killed Lisa & Johnny. I'll be surprised if one of them did. I have a feeling it's going to be someone no one expected.

Agree with Jane.

[Jane]

Well you are right once again as we all have seen Maytee is a compulsive lier and I am sure that like many of the young adults in this area he may have dabbled a little in somethings that he shouldn't have. I am torn between two theories here, 1. Maytee knows more than she is saying and for whatever reason aint talking and took TW being there as a way to throw off LE from the perps. Does she maybe have a life insurance on him? But if she did why all the donations? ( kinda have thrown the insurance theory out the window allready) or 2. TW knew something was going on. Maybe it wasn't supposed to be a murder and Johnny and Lisa fought back and the perps changed plans. Maybe TW is fearful for her life and her childs life and don't want to be the next victim. But again this is just my opinion, I now have a notebook full of notes and theories and its driving me fricken nuts. I hope LE is really on thier jobs with this one and don't let it go cold as I have seen them do some.

hahaha!!! I had post-it notes EVERYWHERE! I did start on a note pad though, now. I don't have an all out, pat theory, except I DO think someone was highly pissed off with Johnny, involving drugs/money. I can't let go of the digital scales found on the kitchen counter, along with the small pieces of white plastic found. There's no doubt in my mind Johnny was dealing dope. I also think Maytee has a good idea of why her son was killed. She may not know who did it, but I think she's got a good idea about why. Throwing Tiffany under the bus, so quickly??? Just doesn't add up to me. All JMO

[eye.of.my]

Well you are right once again as we all have seen Maytee is a compulsive lier and I am sure that like many of the young adults in this area he may have dabbled a little in somethings that he shouldn't have. I am torn between two theories here, 1. Maytee knows more than she is saying and for whatever reason aint talking and took TW being there as a way to throw off LE from the perps. Does she maybe have a life insurance on him? But if she did why all the donations? ( kinda have thrown the insurance theory out the window allready) or 2. TW knew something was going on. Maybe it wasn't supposed to be a murder and Johnny and Lisa fought back and the perps changed plans. Maybe TW is fearful for her life and her childs life and don't want to be the next victim. But again this is just my opinion, I now have a notebook full of notes and theories and its driving me fricken nuts. I hope LE is really on thier jobs with this one and don't let it go cold as I have seen them do some.

hahaha!!! I had post-it notes EVERYWHERE! I did start on a note pad though, now. I don't have an all out, pat theory, except I DO think someone was highly pissed off with Johnny, involving drugs/money. I can't let go of the digital scales found on the kitchen counter, along with the small pieces of white plastic found. There's no doubt in my mind Johnny was dealing dope. I also think Maytee has a good idea of why her son was killed. She may not know who did it, but I think she's got a good idea about why. Throwing Tiffany under the bus, so quickly??? Just doesn't add up to me. All JMO

Right I asked that when she was on here answering questions unfortunatly she never answered, but if they had never met why would Maytee throw such an accusation her way? Maybe the friend who called her had something else to say? Maybe she heard about her from someone else? Your guess is as good as mine but that question is one of my biggest. I have it in big bold letters and highlighted cause it just bothers the shit out of me.

[NightOwl]

Well you are right once again as we all have seen Maytee is a compulsive lier and I am sure that like many of the young adults in this area he may have dabbled a little in somethings that he shouldn't have. I am torn between two theories here, 1. Maytee knows more than she is saying and for whatever reason aint talking and took TW being there as a way to throw off LE from the perps. Does she maybe have a life insurance on him? But if she did why all the donations? ( kinda have thrown the insurance theory out the window allready) or 2. TW knew something was going on. Maybe it wasn't supposed to be a murder and Johnny and Lisa fought back and the perps changed plans. Maybe TW is fearful for her life and her childs life and don't want to be the next victim. But again this is just my opinion, I now have a notebook full of notes and theories and its driving me fricken nuts. I hope LE is really on thier jobs with this one and don't let it go cold as I have seen them do some.

hahaha!!! I had post-it notes EVERYWHERE! I did start on a note pad though, now. I don't have an all out, pat theory, except I DO think someone was highly pissed off with Johnny, involving drugs/money. I can't let go of the digital scales found on the kitchen counter, along with the small pieces of white plastic found. There's no doubt in my mind Johnny was dealing dope. I also think Maytee has a good idea of why her son was killed. She may not know who did it, but I think she's got a good idea about why. Throwing Tiffany under the bus, so quickly??? Just doesn't add up to me. All JMO

Yes, some one was either very ANGRY with Johnny or Lisa to have done this deed - Tiff I think wrong time wrong place a big muddle trying to reach Johnny's parents. The ex-boyfriend may live in a nearby neighborhood & attended same school as Lisa. It's definately someone close to either party here. Just my opinion thrown in here.