Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[JsMom]

This page turning crap is getting ridiculous!!

It only occurs in this thread & is a software related issue.

Well arent we the lucky ones......

[Duchess]

Well arent we the lucky ones......

I would have said special.

[JsMom]

Well arent we the lucky ones......

I would have said special.

You trying to tell me I lick windows on the short bus? :( lol

[Snoopy]

If they were after Iraqi Dinar, the jokes on them. My ex use to exchange about 20 US dollars for several thousands of dollars worth of Dinar, in hopes that if the Iraqi economy ever did flourish at some point, he would be rich. By the time he returned from Iraq, he had about 200 thousand dollars worth of Iraqi Dinar, which was worth about a few hundred dollars in US currency. It is basically worthless! As far as I know it still is.

[Duchess]

You trying to tell me I lick windows on the short bus? :( lol

No!

You make me laugh everyday...sometimes it's simply seeing whatever your quote for the day sig line might be.

[NightOwl]

NO, but in order for police to come it either must call the police directly or a monitoring station who then sends the police. In this case it would still ring an outside bell notifying neighbors of an intrusion as long as the wires had not been cut. I think the wires had been cut on a previous day and LS and JC had the papers out trying to find a remedy. That LS did run to the master bedroom to hit the panic button forgetting in the heat of the moment or just hoping it would work. That indicates to me she was upstairs and heard a commotion downstairs.

Do we have proof the wires were cut the previous day? Then it would be plotted and planned. I think 2 or 3 nice big dogs would be better protection - this is nuts if they can cut wires like that! By the way
Bring back Velveeta soon! Love him.

[sharit]

I wished there was some secret connection to me to this case (and NC) but as I explained on a later post...after being totally captured/obsessed with seeking justice on this case due to reading about it first in the news and seeing the picture of these 2 beautiful kids and having grown kids similar ages who would have fit right in with the party pictures...I "friended" Tiffany on facebook and was shocked when she responded...we corresponded and she was very polite and claimed from the beginning she had nothing to do with it...that she loved both J and L...

pspence, I understand that you are not a personal friend of TW and that you contacted her solely to find out what she knew in connection with the murders, and to invite her onto Mock to answer questions.

But I am wondering if you could help us understand more about the world in which TW lives and the way in which its participants seem to communicate in a sort of brutal, violent and a criminal vernacular, by telling us a little more about the experience of being in contact with her. For example:

a) When you first contacted TW, did she write back to you in the vernacular which she and her friends appear to employ on FaceBook and MySpace, or in the ordinary English that most of the rest of us use to communicate with each other?

b) Have you had personal or professional experience before this contact in dealing with people who speak in this peculiar way; if so, can you tell us about it, and offer your impressions as to what motivates them to speak this way to each other - is it lack of education, ignorance, a desire to fit in, or what?

c) When you corresponded with her, did you ask her whether she had any idea who may have committed these murders?; if so, did she respond affirmatively or negatively?

d) Are there any additional questions you asked her, which we on Mock neglected to ask her?; if so, what were her answers to your questions?

e) You have read her motto on her FaceBook page, when it was available, which said approximately: "I'm a down ass bitch and I rides wit my niggas and my bitches." and perhaps also read my attempt at an interpretation as follows: "I am loyal to my friends and will not reveal to law enforcement any knowledge I may have of criminal activity by them." Do you agree with my attempt at a translation or do you have a different interpretation of that motto?

f) In your mind, how does that motto square with your confidence that she is telling the truth, and the whole truth, surrounding the murders?

Thanks very much for your further contribution towards our group efforts at thinking this through.

most and i mean most kids and young adults on facebook and myspace talk like this even the most educated and most wealthiest type like this. i have twin boys 21 and i could pull up pictures that they have that look like alot of these pics. their gang are their group of friends, good smart educated kids, with good caring hearts. that wouldnt hurt, rob anyone. so the way they talk and look mean nothing to me. its the absence of their feelings about the murders on their facebooks that speak volumes to me.if you care about someone and something has happened, they talk about it alot on their pages. jmo, if tw really was friends with those poor kids she would still be posting about them. my mind is made up, they will find the people involved and it will be because someone will talk sooner or later. just on my local news station they are asking for help on a crime and they have stated they already know who did it, so keep that in mind.

[ZEROSPHERES]

If they were after Iraqi Dinar, the jokes on them. My ex use to exchange about 20 US dollars for several thousands of dollars worth of Dinar, in hopes that if the Iraqi economy ever did flourish at some point, he would be rich. By the time he returned from Iraq, he had about 200 thousand dollars worth of Iraqi Dinar, which was worth about a few hundred dollars in US currency. It is basically worthless! As far as I know it still is.

You are so right....Todays value is 1 Iraqi Dinar (IQD) value equal to US Dollar (USD) 0.0006803 or:

1470 dinars to the Dollar

[JsMom]

You trying to tell me I lick windows on the short bus? :( lol

No!

You make me laugh everyday...sometimes it's simply seeing whatever your quote for the day sig line might be.

told ya'll I was silly! Hey gotta have a lil humor in this room. With such a sad, horrific case. Just wish the preps would get caught up! THAT WOULD BE GREAT!

[ZEROSPHERES]

Bring back Velveeta soon! Love him.

Little Vel is chasing down leads in the hood right now. He will be home soon....

[JsMom]

Bring back Velveeta soon! Love him.

Little Vel is chasing down leads in the hood right now. He will be home soon....

you seriously crack me up Zero

[NightOwl]

I wished there was some secret connection to me to this case (and NC) but as I explained on a later post...after being totally captured/obsessed with seeking justice on this case due to reading about it first in the news and seeing the picture of these 2 beautiful kids and having grown kids similar ages who would have fit right in with the party pictures...I "friended" Tiffany on facebook and was shocked when she responded...we corresponded and she was very polite and claimed from the beginning she had nothing to do with it...that she loved both J and L...

pspence, I understand that you are not a personal friend of TW and that you contacted her solely to find out what she knew in connection with the murders, and to invite her onto Mock to answer questions.

But I am wondering if you could help us understand more about the world in which TW lives and the way in which its participants seem to communicate in a sort of brutal, violent and a criminal vernacular, by telling us a little more about the experience of being in contact with her. For example:

a) When you first contacted TW, did she write back to you in the vernacular which she and her friends appear to employ on FaceBook and MySpace, or in the ordinary English that most of the rest of us use to communicate with each other?

b) Have you had personal or professional experience before this contact in dealing with people who speak in this peculiar way; if so, can you tell us about it, and offer your impressions as to what motivates them to speak this way to each other - is it lack of education, ignorance, a desire to fit in, or what?

c) When you corresponded with her, did you ask her whether she had any idea who may have committed these murders?; if so, did she respond affirmatively or negatively?

d) Are there any additional questions you asked her, which we on Mock neglected to ask her?; if so, what were her answers to your questions?

e) You have read her motto on her FaceBook page, when it was available, which said approximately: "I'm a down ass bitch and I rides wit my niggas and my bitches." and perhaps also read my attempt at an interpretation as follows: "I am loyal to my friends and will not reveal to law enforcement any knowledge I may have of criminal activity by them." Do you agree with my attempt at a translation or do you have a different interpretation of that motto?

f) In your mind, how does that motto square with your confidence that she is telling the truth, and the whole truth, surrounding the murders?

Thanks very much for your further contribution towards our group efforts at thinking this through.

good questions! maybe she can answer these?? I mean I know alot about slang because as a white female I do have alot of black friends. not to say that I can translate everything thats said but I can translate ALOT! I know of people whom have/are gang related which I base myself from but I know them. ANYONE whom has questions for Tiffany that she hasnt answered I can copy/paste them and see if she will answer them for us. Just let me know the questions. As you all can see in alot of my posting I use alot of slang but to me its my way of breaking words down lol anyways.....so let me know of any questions and I will see what I can do!

JsMom, Can you ask Tiff if she knew Johnny and AG were in prison together? Does she have any details on what exactly happened in the prison with Johnny? Thanks!!

[JsMom]

I wished there was some secret connection to me to this case (and NC) but as I explained on a later post...after being totally captured/obsessed with seeking justice on this case due to reading about it first in the news and seeing the picture of these 2 beautiful kids and having grown kids similar ages who would have fit right in with the party pictures...I "friended" Tiffany on facebook and was shocked when she responded...we corresponded and she was very polite and claimed from the beginning she had nothing to do with it...that she loved both J and L...

pspence, I understand that you are not a personal friend of TW and that you contacted her solely to find out what she knew in connection with the murders, and to invite her onto Mock to answer questions.

But I am wondering if you could help us understand more about the world in which TW lives and the way in which its participants seem to communicate in a sort of brutal, violent and a criminal vernacular, by telling us a little more about the experience of being in contact with her. For example:

a) When you first contacted TW, did she write back to you in the vernacular which she and her friends appear to employ on FaceBook and MySpace, or in the ordinary English that most of the rest of us use to communicate with each other?

b) Have you had personal or professional experience before this contact in dealing with people who speak in this peculiar way; if so, can you tell us about it, and offer your impressions as to what motivates them to speak this way to each other - is it lack of education, ignorance, a desire to fit in, or what?

c) When you corresponded with her, did you ask her whether she had any idea who may have committed these murders?; if so, did she respond affirmatively or negatively?

d) Are there any additional questions you asked her, which we on Mock neglected to ask her?; if so, what were her answers to your questions?

e) You have read her motto on her FaceBook page, when it was available, which said approximately: "I'm a down ass bitch and I rides wit my niggas and my bitches." and perhaps also read my attempt at an interpretation as follows: "I am loyal to my friends and will not reveal to law enforcement any knowledge I may have of criminal activity by them." Do you agree with my attempt at a translation or do you have a different interpretation of that motto?

f) In your mind, how does that motto square with your confidence that she is telling the truth, and the whole truth, surrounding the murders?

Thanks very much for your further contribution towards our group efforts at thinking this through.

good questions! maybe she can answer these?? I mean I know alot about slang because as a white female I do have alot of black friends. not to say that I can translate everything thats said but I can translate ALOT! I know of people whom have/are gang related which I base myself from but I know them. ANYONE whom has questions for Tiffany that she hasnt answered I can copy/paste them and see if she will answer them for us. Just let me know the questions. As you all can see in alot of my posting I use alot of slang but to me its my way of breaking words down lol anyways.....so let me know of any questions and I will see what I can do!

JsMom, Can you ask Tiff if she knew Johnny and AG were in prison together? Does she have any details on what exactly happened in the prison with Johnny? Thanks!!

Done....Awaiting a reply

[NightOwl]

Bring back Velveeta soon! Love him.

Little Vel is chasing down leads in the hood right now. He will be home soon....

you seriously crack me up Zero

DITTO!

[pspence]

Methusula said "pspence, I understand that you are not a personal friend of TW and that you contacted her solely to find out what she knew in connection with the murders, and to invite her onto Mock to answer questions.

But I am wondering if you could help us understand more about the world in which TW lives and the way in which its participants seem to communicate in a sort of brutal, violent and a criminal vernacular, by telling us a little more about the experience of being in contact with her. For example:

a) When you first contacted TW, did she write back to you in the vernacular which she and her friends appear to employ on FaceBook and MySpace, or in the ordinary English that most of the rest of us use to communicate with each other? Yes, T communicated with me just like we communicate - regular speech.


b) Have you had personal or professional experience before this contact in dealing with people who speak in this peculiar way; if so, can you tell us about it, and offer your impressions as to what motivates them to speak this way to each other - is it lack of education, YES ignorance, a desire to fit in, YES just like when we were younger and wanted to fit inor what?

I have been a Social Worker with mothers/families on welfare and for people living with HIV disease plus HIV outreach testing (in jails on occasions, alternative clubs, etc) plus other sexually transmitted disease testing outreach ... I have worked with people with substance abuse problems as well as many hardworking wonderful people in diverse populations for over 22 years.

c) When you corresponded with her, did you ask her whether she had any idea who may have committed these murdersif so, did she respond affirmatively or negatively?

she said she had absolutely no idea whatsoever


d) Are there any additional questions you asked her, which we on Mock neglected to ask her?; if so, what were her answers to your questions?

just things like how are you? How are you dealing with all of this, etc. She said "it was very hurtful being accused of something she had nothing to do with and "dealing with all of the lies".


e) You have read her motto on her FaceBook page, when it was available, which said approximately: "I'm a down ass bitch and I rides wit my niggas and my bitches." and perhaps also read my attempt at an interpretation as follows: "I am loyal to my friends and will not reveal to law enforcement any knowledge I may have of criminal activity by them." Do you agree with my attempt at a translation or do you have a different interpretation of that motto?

I have been on all of the facebook pages and read them...I think your translation was very accurate. But that doesn't mean all participate in criminal behavior. My personal opinion is that it is a lot of "style" or "the culture" involved. When I was a teenager, we used to say cool, hip, made out, hunk, etc. I think it is like in some cultures they have ebonics... They're all young people just trying to find their way in this stressful environment. I would not be surprised if a lot of these communities were in public housing... lower socio-economic and all of the psycho-social problems associated with that. Some of you older folks might be shocked at some of those pictures of the kids on facebook but my children are college graduates and would have been comfortable and right in there with them...I just came back from Kansas and took a picture of my 28 year old daughter and she made the gang sign with her hand...she is a therapist ...drugs are unfortunatley part of our young peoples cultures and most "grow out of it"...thank GOD!


f) In your mind, how does that motto square with your confidence that she is telling the truth, and the whole truth, surrounding the murders?

I am an optimist who prides myself at being non-judgemental and giving all the benefit of the doubt. With that being said, I found her to be endearing, polite and respectful and bewildered. I'm not naive enough however not to believe I could have been snowed. After reading Maytee's posts and feeling her pain, I feel terribly guilty about mentioning about her husb getting busted (rumor) and she could have turned states evidence to give her husb a lower sentence ...( I'm sure I would have done the same thing)...anyway...I initially thought it could have been in retaliation because of that...after talking with a family friend from Hispanic background very streetsmart, he said no one "messes with family"...I think now 99% that it was a robbery that got out of hand like Maytee believes.

Thanks very much for your further contribution towards our group efforts at thinking this through.


You are nice. Maytee said on her facebook page today that she "realized there was a snake slitthering around on there " (I had been on there asking her some questions) and I think (know) she was referring to me...I feel like I've been 2 faced and hurt her without meaning too. (I know she read my explanation earlier post today and put who I was together. I hope she reads this as I'm being totally transparent. This case has captured all of our hearts - two beautiful kids that looked like a lot of fun who would have most likely turned out to be law abiding citizens and raised beautiful families.

I would never intentionally hurt anyone and I wished if I could do it all over I would have been strictly "an observer" and just read all of your posts...besides I'm a Christian and that voodoo/hex stuff freaks me out and I hope no one put a "hex" on me or my family...[/color]
God is covering us and protecting us so I have to believe that...I also believe HE will bring to light who did this sick-o horrible thing to those precious young people. I also don't want to give the impression this is all just a "trying to be cool" generational thing...much more serious than that...the rap sheets on some of the kids was more than alarming...but I do think for the most part, they will grow out of it and turn out okay and be like the rest of us...want to stay out of trouble, work hard, never hurt anyone and take care of our families.

I think Johnny and Lisa were "on their way" to being and doing just that when a psychopath who they thought were their friends decided to rob them...they got caught, johnny tried to protect Lisa and it went south fast all in chaotic panic. I heard a mom say about a murdered daughter recently that "she had 23 wonderful years and one horrible day...I can live with that"....I just pray for peace and resolve...

[JsMom]

edited for space. LC

I think Johnny and Lisa were "on their way" to being and doing just that when a psychopath who they thought were their friends decided to rob them...they got caught, johnny tried to protect Lisa and it went south fast all in chaotic panic. I heard a mom say about a murdered daughter recently that "she had 23 wonderful years and one horrible day...I can live with that"....I just pray for peace and resolve...[/color]

Beautifully pu,t and alot of us feel the exact same way you do!

[Methusala]

edited for space. LC

I think Johnny and Lisa were "on their way" to being and doing just that when a psychopath who they thought were their friends decided to rob them...they got caught, johnny tried to protect Lisa and it went south fast all in chaotic panic. I heard a mom say about a murdered daughter recently that "she had 23 wonderful years and one horrible day...I can live with that"....I just pray for peace and resolve...[/color]

pspence, thank you for your thoughtful analysis, your detailed replies, and for sharing with us your life's experiences which you have applied to the subject. It becomes obvious from your explanations that you are a thoughtful and compassionate person, and one with a lot of knowledge and experience in dealing with the community from which the potential killers - whom someone else here has aptly labeled Johnny and Lisa's "frenemies" may have come.

I can only hope that the detectives working on this case have comparable knowledge and experience in interviewing the members of Johnny and Lisa's community, if that is where the killers came from, or if not on the chance that they may have knowledge which may lead to those outside the community.

On the other hand:

in referring to the proposed translation of TW's motto as

"I am loyal to my friends and will not reveal to law enforcement any knowledge I may have of criminal activity by them." you said:

"I think your translation was very accurate."

and in response to the follow-up question as to:

"…how does that motto square with your confidence that she is telling the truth, and the whole truth, surrounding the murders?"

You replied:

"I am an optimist who prides myself at being non-judgemental and giving all the benefit of the doubt."

I doubt whether any crime, not even the first recorded one, was ever solved by applying that formula, no matter how well it may have served you in your profession.

And the LORD said to Cain, Where is Abel your brother?

And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
Genesis 4:9

I think your children's verbal and physical behavior is distinguishable from what we see and read in these pages. The pages repeatedly contain references to perpetrating physical violence and threatening the commission of sundry crimes, things I am confident that your kids did not speak of or nor do.

We are not talking about drug use here, except to the extent that it, or the potential proceeds from its sale, may have been part of the motivator for the crime.

As you say above, many of these kids have rap sheets. They are already undeniably criminals and/or people who prefer the company of criminals

IMHO, they are the logical group from which the murderers came, or through whom the murderers can be found, if and when the truth is told.

[Lady Cop]

if i may suggest again...
quotes, really long quotes, can be edited for space as i have done above. the entire quoted original post was visible on the same page. no content is missed/lost since people can refer to it.
there are others i didn't have time to edit. but the 5000-word multi-quoted posts are making my eyes bleed.
thanks for your consideration.

[ZEROSPHERES]

VELVEETA IS A STICKLER
FOR THE RULES

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[sharit]

edited for space by LC.

I think Johnny and Lisa were "on their way" to being and doing just that when a psychopath who they thought were their friends decided to rob them...they got caught, johnny tried to protect Lisa and it went south fast all in chaotic panic. I heard a mom say about a murdered daughter recently that "she had 23 wonderful years and one horrible day...I can live with that"....I just pray for peace and resolve...[/color]

tw and her group are not the average kid on facebook trying to look cool. their rap sheet confirms that.