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(03-28-2011, 03:25 PM)fabulous Wrote: (03-28-2011, 02:52 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: (03-28-2011, 02:49 PM)fabulous Wrote: (03-28-2011, 02:37 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: Just curious as to what is the consensus of people that think the killers will be brought to justice and those who believes this will go unsolved?
unsolved...
Is your prediction based upon your confidence level with LE?
partly yes...and based on some other factors too.
I agree wholeheartedly with shitshtorm.... I'm just not seeing anything with the alphabet soup crew (AG, MM, BC, TW, XYZ) that has convinced me that they killed our victims.
thugs- yes
criminal- HELL to the yes
menace to society's- of course!
but nothing that would convince me that this cast of characters would kill JC&LS
I work in the system (I don't want to give away too much of myself here)...but there are some other "high profile" cases that are local, that have been in the media as of late. DNA and fingerprints and all that scientific stuff is back on those cases. so it doesn't make sense that "it's not back on this case." we've heard NOTHING.... other than the "rumor" that the DNA is back and there were no hits. knowing what I know about other things...that makes complete sense. I actually completely believe that.
I think this case is "bigger" -for lack of better words- than these south end thugs are able to pull off. I think it's pretty clear that they'd beat, rob or kill ya- but probably do it with a gun.
DNA can take longer in some cases than others depending on many factors. If there was a party the night before or a couple nights before there may be many different sets of finger prints to seperate and eliminate. You also have to remember if they are lifting every single finger print they have to scan those and run them and identify each and every one of them. yes it's computerized but there is a human element there. This takes time. With any blood dna, if it becomes combined with someone elses that becomes a factor. There are so many things that come into play. Then on top of that, IF it doesn't match anyone in the system it's going to sit there and for the time it's not going to mean anything until it MATCHES someone. it's like a huge piece of the puzzle that doesn't have a place to fit yet. Some other cases are way easier for DNA to come back quicker.
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(03-28-2011, 02:37 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: Just curious as to what is the consensus of people that think the killers will be brought to justice and those who believes this will go unsolved?
Personally, I think it will be solved. Unfortunately not any time soon.
I think it will be solved, and that LE probably knows now who did it. It might be taking a long time for them to prove it.
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:B OMG....yeaaaaaaa im here  
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(03-28-2011, 03:36 PM)Adub Wrote: No
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(03-28-2011, 03:41 PM)ALWAYSBITCHEN Wrote: :B OMG....yeaaaaaaa im here
Okay . . . now be brilliant.
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With my dad and my uncle being apart of LE (imo) the LE know what the heck they are doing.They do not have to tell us everything they have on this case,for fear a miss trial.I know that as badly as we all want to know,we all want to make sure they have a solid case and not hear of these idiots walking free becaue LE and public want to rush to lock someone up!!This is a very sad case...very!!!I could not imagine walking in ths mothers shoes.I personally think that maytee has held up alot better then I ever would have,because they would of had to of locked me up in a looney bin!!
 but here in my town there has been 3 families that have had to burry both sons at seperate times (all but 1) due to drugs and alcohol.
While there may or may not have been either drugs or alcohol invovled that night we do not know nothing but rumors and speculations and as horrible as it may seem (imo) it is looking toward that way.
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Do you know what bothers me is TW was supposivly waiting for a ride that from Lisa and Johnny...ummm well how did she get a ride to bring her to pick up Johnny's dad that night,also she had went there right and knocked on the door..so how did she get a ride..yes i know with who...but just seems odd to me!!(imo) her kind of people cant just get any to trust them to be in there car or with all the crime buddies where were they!!I just seems to me these two had alot of enemies!!(imo) one more thing I have traveld on alot of greyhound busses when I was a kid.My qeustion is was there a bus station near there to where maybe they were trying to hide something in a locker,or even a bowling alley locker?All and All (imo) im sure they have checke the local bank depoist boxes..or am I wrong!
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(03-28-2011, 03:41 PM)onefortheroad Wrote: (03-28-2011, 02:37 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: Just curious as to what is the consensus of people that think the killers will be brought to justice and those who believes this will go unsolved?
Personally, I think it will be solved. Unfortunately not any time soon.
I think it will be solved, and that LE probably knows now who did it. It might be taking a long time for them to prove it.
Not to pick on you, but I think this "cart b4 the horse" thinking can be part of the problem. If they can't "prove" who did it, then they can't "know" who did it. They may have hunches, or guesses though, but that is different. People in general have a habit of coming to a conclusion, and then making the facts prove the conclusion. I hope either LE has "proof" who did it and is just crossing t's and dotting I's OR they don't have proof and they are keeping an open mind to any and all posibilities. Again, that wasn't meant to pick on you 1-4 theRD. I appriciate your posts.
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(03-28-2011, 04:13 PM)ALWAYSBITCHEN Wrote: Do you know what bothers me is TW was supposivly waiting for a ride that from Lisa and Johnny...ummm well how did she get a ride to bring her to pick up Johnny's dad that night,also she had went there right and knocked on the door..so how did she get a ride..yes i know with who...but just seems odd to me!!(imo) her kind of people cant just get any to trust them to be in there car or with all the crime buddies where were they!!I just seems to me these two had alot of enemies!!(imo) one more thing I have traveld on alot of greyhound busses when I was a kid.My qeustion is was there a bus station near there to where maybe they were trying to hide something in a locker,or even a bowling alley locker?All and All (imo) im sure they have checke the local bank depoist boxes..or am I wrong!
I just had a deja vu experience. It's like we are back at page 12.
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still waiting for today's arrest announcement. 
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(03-28-2011, 05:12 PM)notsure Wrote: (03-28-2011, 03:41 PM)onefortheroad Wrote: (03-28-2011, 02:37 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: Just curious as to what is the consensus of people that think the killers will be brought to justice and those who believes this will go unsolved?
Personally, I think it will be solved. Unfortunately not any time soon.
I think it will be solved, and that LE probably knows now who did it. It might be taking a long time for them to prove it.
Not to pick on you, but I think this "cart b4 the horse" thinking can be part of the problem. If they can't "prove" who did it, then they can't "know" who did it. They may have hunches, or guesses though, but that is different. People in general have a habit of coming to a conclusion, and then making the facts prove the conclusion. I hope either LE has "proof" who did it and is just crossing t's and dotting I's OR they don't have proof and they are keeping an open mind to any and all posibilities. Again, that wasn't meant to pick on you 1-4theRD. I appriciate your posts.
You're absolutely right in what you're saying, Notsure - my post was poorly worded. What I meant to say was that I think they have strong hunches about who did it based on experience, the crime scene, maybe informants, but it might be a lengthy process to build a watertight case. I'm sure there was evidence at the scene that pointed to or at least suggested who the killers were, and who knows, maybe even the method of execution spoke to LE. I'm sure it would bolster a case if they could turn one of the participants against the others, but because of the "stop snitching" mentality this might not be an option and therefore they have to build an even stronger case than normal to ensure that once these creeps are arrested they'll never hit the streets again.
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AG was right about one thing for sure a COWARD done this deed! A former Dayton Ohio Detective told the Toledo Blade Newspaper - "There's a lot of work involved in this. That's not random. That's targeted," Doyle Burke, a retired Dayton homicide detective, told the Toledo Blade. "The average burglar or robber is armed, but they're not walking around with duct tape and plastic bags."
That has led some to believe that the perpetrators knew the victims, and that this was personal. Slowly suffocating the couple to death would indicate they wanted Johnny and Lisa to die slowly -- and painfully.
I have to go along with this experienced Detective - to me he's right on the money! Someone planned this event here and wanted them tortured to death. We do not want to be tricked and tripped up - I don't think we should overlook anything here or anyone! I believe LE will find the right party!
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(03-28-2011, 05:41 PM)NightOwl Wrote: That has led some to believe that the perpetrators knew the victims, and that this was personal. Slowly suffocating the couple to death would indicate they wanted Johnny and Lisa to die slowly -- and painfully.
I have to go along with this experienced Detective - to me he's right on the money! Someone planned this event here and wanted them tortured to death. We do not want to be tricked and tripped up - I don't think we should overlook anything here or anyone! I believe LE will find the right party!
 right on the money Id say!
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(03-28-2011, 05:14 PM)Nina Wrote: (03-28-2011, 04:13 PM)ALWAYSBITCHEN Wrote: Do you know what bothers me is TW was supposivly waiting for a ride that from Lisa and Johnny...ummm well how did she get a ride to bring her to pick up Johnny's dad that night,also she had went there right and knocked on the door..so how did she get a ride..yes i know with who...but just seems odd to me!!(imo) her kind of people cant just get any to trust them to be in there car or with all the crime buddies where were they!!I just seems to me these two had alot of enemies!!(imo) one more thing I have traveld on alot of greyhound busses when I was a kid.My qeustion is was there a bus station near there to where maybe they were trying to hide something in a locker,or even a bowling alley locker?All and All (imo) im sure they have checke the local bank depoist boxes..or am I wrong!
I just had a deja vu experience. It's like we are back at page 12.
omg. this makes me laugh out loud AND spit out my diet coke....you typed out what I was thinking...bahahah! 
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(03-28-2011, 05:41 PM)NightOwl Wrote: AG was right about one thing for sure a COWARD done this deed! A former Dayton Ohio Detective told the Toledo Blade Newspaper - "There's a lot of work involved in this. That's not random. That's targeted," Doyle Burke, a retired Dayton homicide detective, told the Toledo Blade. "The average burglar or robber is armed, but they're not walking around with duct tape and plastic bags."
thankyou!! i think i said that back on page 2! or close to it while arguing with some fool. garden-variety burglars do not want to kill, they want to get in and out ASAP. they avoid murder at all costs, it ups the ante too much. it's a whole new ballgame from B & E.
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Heres something interesting I ran into while searching our local news website....If u'd like to read it heres the link to the article.
Database Aids Fugitive Searches, But Still Limited
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/143363...ll-limited
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Lady Cop, Thanks-very much!
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(03-28-2011, 05:41 PM)NightOwl Wrote: AG was right about one thing for sure a COWARD done this deed! A former Dayton Ohio Detective told the Toledo Blade Newspaper - "There's a lot of work involved in this. That's not random. That's targeted," Doyle Burke, a retired Dayton homicide detective, told the Toledo Blade. "The average burglar or robber is armed, but they're not walking around with duct tape and plastic bags."
That has led some to believe that the perpetrators knew the victims, and that this was personal. Slowly suffocating the couple to death would indicate they wanted Johnny and Lisa to die slowly -- and painfully.
I have to go along with this experienced Detective - to me he's right on the money! Someone planned this event here and wanted them tortured to death. We do not want to be tricked and tripped up - I don't think we should overlook anything here or anyone! I believe LE will find the right party!
It does sound cowardly for a man to kill someone with putting a bag over their victims heads but I don't put it past a mean female jealous BITCH! Just Sayin-IMO
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I dunno about the coward thing when it comes to putting a bag over someones head. I mean is shooting someone less cowardly? You can shoot someone from a distance but to bind & suffocate someone is up close & personal. To me that seems less cowardly but that's only my opinion. Just wondering, why is it deamed cowardly to suffocate someone? Is it the fact that you aren't looking at someone in the eyes as you kill them or?
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(03-28-2011, 05:12 PM)notsure Wrote: (03-28-2011, 03:41 PM)onefortheroad Wrote: (03-28-2011, 02:37 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: Just curious as to what is the consensus of people that think the killers will be brought to justice and those who believes this will go unsolved?
Personally, I think it will be solved. Unfortunately not any time soon.
I think it will be solved, and that LE probably knows now who did it. It might be taking a long time for them to prove it.
Not to pick on you, but I think this "cart b4 the horse" thinking can be part of the problem. If they can't "prove" who did it, then they can't "know" who did it. They may have hunches, or guesses though, but that is different. People in general have a habit of coming to a conclusion, and then making the facts prove the conclusion. I hope either LE has "proof" who did it and is just crossing t's and dotting I's OR they don't have proof and they are keeping an open mind to any and all posibilities. Again, that wasn't meant to pick on you 1-4theRD. I appriciate your posts.
Excellent post, notsure! What you've just described is often how it works and it's why innocent people go to prison.
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