Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[pplrcrazy]

Like I said earlier, Im not saying I believe AG and TW, honestly they have done alot of shady shit in their past and that makes them look even more like suspects in this murder.. I know people can BS me all they want over the internet and I told him that he may have done or may not have done it but he sure acts like he did at times by the shit he says.. He maybe straight up lying to me and Maytee maybe be straight up lying as well or pointing the finger because she knew Johnny and Ag stopped being friends and then to top it off TW was the last one to talk to him before he died, looking at it like that YES HE LOOKS GUILTY AS SHIT.. I just want LE to open their mouth and say something.. All I wanted was AG's side because all we see is MAYTEE... Something will hopefully come out soon with some answers but I will say this.. I dont think there are many leads in this case at all..

[Freshbait78]

Let me get this straight, based on your comment above JC would have been considered a liar as well, correct?

This is something that has been bugging me for a while now, and it's not just you, even Maytee has made numerous remarks about AG and crew being "thugs" because they rob people. Now If I'm not mistaken, JC was charged with two counts of armed robbery as well. So I'm curious, is this characterization based off FB? Please explain...

JC was also released early. Do you know why? I do. Because JC was WITH someone who robbed someone with a gun but JC himself was not in possession of the gun. Do you know that if you drive your friend to the carry out & they go in & rob someone, you could also be charged with robbery for driving the car? I'm not saying that JC was an angel, obviously he was not BUT he was, to my knowledge, in no way at the same level as AG.

[pplrcrazy]

Let me get this straight, based on your comment above JC would have been considered a liar as well, correct?

This is something that has been bugging me for a while now, and it's not just you, even Maytee has made numerous remarks about AG and crew being "thugs" because they rob people. Now If I'm not mistaken, JC was charged with two counts of armed robbery as well. So I'm curious, is this characterization based off FB? Please explain...

JC was also released early. Do you know why? I do. Because JC was WITH someone who robbed someone with a gun but JC himself was not in possession of the gun. Do you know that if you drive your friend to the carry out & they go in & rob someone, you could also be charged with robbery for driving the car? I'm not saying that JC was an angel, obviously he was not BUT he was, to my knowledge, in no way at the same level as AG.

IM NOT DEFENDING ANYONE or PUTTING ANYONE DOWN.. But do you know that if you make a deal with the states att. and say who had the gun and someone else who was involved makes the same claim then you will get a short term? That doest mean JC wasnt as bad and he was there just like everyone else and he was down to doing it, so IMO he its just as bad, but I still feel sorry that he was murdered and I dont think he desevered that and I hope whoever did this PAYS for this evil shit..

[Nina]

Hi Owl Well all I can say is that I believe that AG is a thief, actually a self-proclaimed thief. He has no problem talking about what he's done in his "past" (however short that past may be) & IMO in order to be a thief you need to be a liar. They go hand in hand.

Let me get this straight, based on your comment above JC would have been considered a liar as well, correct?

This is something that has been bugging me for a while now, and it's not just you, even Maytee has made numerous remarks about AG and crew being "thugs" because they rob people. Now If I'm not mistaken, JC was charged with two counts of armed robbery as well. So I'm curious, is this characterization based off FB? Please explain...

I don't know enough about Johnny to know whether he was a "thug"; unfortunately some scumbag put a bag over his head and murdered him. I wouldn't wish that kind of death on anyone, including AG. But AG himself has said that JC was a "snitch" and a "coward" that needed to grow some balls. So apparently AG doesn't think that JC was quite the master criminal and thug that AG is.

[pplrcrazy]

Let me get this straight, based on your comment above JC would have been considered a liar as well, correct?

This is something that has been bugging me for a while now, and it's not just you, even Maytee has made numerous remarks about AG and crew being "thugs" because they rob people. Now If I'm not mistaken, JC was charged with two counts of armed robbery as well. So I'm curious, is this characterization based off FB? Please explain...

I don't know enough about Johnny to know whether he was a "thug"; unfortunately some scumbag put a bag over his head and murdered him. I wouldn't wish that kind of death on anyone, including AG. But AG himself has said that JC was a "snitch" and a "coward" that needed to grow some balls. So apparently AG doesn't think that JC was quite the master criminal and thug that AG is.

MOST "thugs" wont admit that anyone is better than them or more "thuggish" than them... JMO... I think TW may have had something to do with this though, I will say that because she has a history of some how being involved in this kind of activity.. what happened to Johnny and Lisa is pure evil and whoever did this needs to be punished for this...

[Freshbait78]

IM NOT DEFENDING ANYONE or PUTTING ANYONE DOWN.. But do you know that if you make a deal with the states att. and say who had the gun and someone else who was involved makes the same claim then you will get a short term? That doest mean JC wasnt as bad and he was there just like everyone else and he was down to doing it, so IMO he its just as bad, but I still feel sorry that he was murdered and I dont think he desevered that and I hope whoever did this PAYS for this evil shit..

OK Im not defending anyone or putting anyone down BUT if I were with a few friends & one friend decided to rob someone & I got taken downtown & questioned about it & my LIFE was on the line, knowing that I was just there & not the one with a gun to someones head, & LE told me that if I didn't say who had the gun I'd lose 10+ years of my life.... bet your ass I'd be telling who had the gun. call me a snitch I've throughout my life watched friends do bad things when I was young...late teens/early twentys. I wouldn't consider myself involved because I watched & didn't partake but LE wouldn't see it that way. This is probably why AG has so much contempt for JC & his mother... because in his eyes they are snitches but I can sympathize because when it comes to MY freedom I'd be a snitch too without a second thought.

[Nina]

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MOST "thugs" wont admit that anyone is better than them or more "thuggish" than them...[/quote]

That is true. These hoods all think they are the baddest. The trashy talking girls with all their threats especially impress me. lol

[curious]

JC was also released early. Do you know why? I do. Because JC was WITH someone who robbed someone with a gun but JC himself was not in possession of the gun. Do you know that if you drive your friend to the carry out & they go in & rob someone, you could also be charged with robbery for driving the car? I'm not saying that JC was an angel, obviously he was not BUT he was, to my knowledge, in no way at the same level as AG.

I believe the technical term would be guilt by association...seems like there's a lot if that being thrown around. All I'm trying to do is disertain why anyone at this point in the investigation, only knowing what they know through cyberspace (most, not all), would appear so defensive of people who they claim they've never met?

Having an opinion is one thing, but those wishing ill-will upon others (quotes provided upon request) based on FB goings-on, seems like big 'ole hypocrites to me. Let's just hope they're not part of the jury when this goes to trial.

[toledoarea]

Hell yeah! Where's the "like" button for this shit? I'm a snitch too! So you want me to watch you kill someone, get questioned by cops that are tellin me I'm goin down for twenty yrs if I don't cough up some names, and spend all kinds of money for a good lawyer that will probably just get it cut to ten yrs? Fuck that! I'm a snitch too. You don't like it? Don't hang with me. By the way, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

[pplrcrazy]

Hell yeah! Where's the "like" button for this shit? I'm a snitch too! So you want me to watch you kill someone, get questioned by cops that are tellin me I'm goin down for twenty yrs if I don't cough up some names, and spend all kinds of money for a good lawyer that will probably just get it cut to ten yrs? Fuck that! I'm a snitch too. You don't like it? Don't hang with me. By the way, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Im not saying I wouldnt snitch too because if it was me and I WAS INNOCENT then hell yeah im not going down for anyone elses shit! Im saying how do you know that SOMEONE else was holding a gun or that johnny wasnt more involved than what we heard on FB and through records??? LE wants an arrest, if they are hearing from 2 people that another person held a gun then yes the other 2 will get less time but does that mean those other 2 people are telling the truth and they are just stand-bys? THATS THE POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE... Im not saying JOhnny was a bad person Im just saying look at it from other views not just one way, we dont know what really happened...thats all im trying to say...

[Freshbait78]

JC was also released early. Do you know why? I do. Because JC was WITH someone who robbed someone with a gun but JC himself was not in possession of the gun. Do you know that if you drive your friend to the carry out & they go in & rob someone, you could also be charged with robbery for driving the car? I'm not saying that JC was an angel, obviously he was not BUT he was, to my knowledge, in no way at the same level as AG.

I believe the technical term would be guilt by association...seems like there's a lot if that being thrown around. All I'm trying to do is disertain why anyone at this point in the investigation, only knowing what they know through cyberspace (most, not all), would appear so defensive of people who they claim they've never met?

Having an opinion is one thing, but those wishing ill-will upon others (quotes provided upon request) based on FB goings-on, seems like big 'ole hypocrites to me. Let's just hope they're not part of the jury when this goes to trial.

I could never be apart of the jury because I already have my mind made up & have already admitted that numerous times. It's not because I know anyone 1^st hand because I don't. For 1, I grew up amongst this same shit & have seen shady things going on, for 2, I've always been really observent & good at reading people & for 3 I'm reading what everyone is saying from AG to TW, to Maytee, to everyone in the alphabet soup & using logic to put 2+2 together & this is coming from their OWN mouths & not some he said she said bullshit. FROM THEIR OWN MOUTHS! & I've also said IF TW isn't apart of this (which I doubt) I still have nothing but disgust for her because the fact of the matter is, she has 3 kids & one on the way & doesn't have custody of not ONE of her kids but yet has ANOTHER one on the fucking way!!!! & here she sits on FB threatening people & laughing at people who have been robbed etc etc etc & like ALL of here peers who actually know her personally unlike us who do not, have said, she needs to get a job & live life right because there is no 401K in robbing & trickin.

[pplrcrazy]

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I could never be apart of the jury because I already have my mind made up & have already admitted that numerous times. It's not because I know anyone 1^st hand because I don't. For 1, I grew up amongst this same shit & have seen shady things going on, for 2, I've always been really observent & good at reading people & for 3 I'm reading what everyone is saying from AG to TW, to Maytee, to everyone in the alphabet soup & using logic to put 2+2 together & this is coming from their OWN mouths & not some he said she said bullshit. FROM THEIR OWN MOUTHS! & I've also said IF TW isn't apart of this (which I doubt) I still have nothing but disgust for her because the fact of the matter is, she has 3 kids & one on the way & doesn't have custody of not ONE of her kids but yet has ANOTHER one on the fucking way!!!! & here she sits on FB threatening people & laughing at people who have been robbed etc etc etc & like ALL of here peers who actually know her personally unlike us who do not, have said, she needs to get a job & live life right because there is no 401K in robbing & trickin.

I totally agree that she has a disgusting mouth and that its messed up that shes on baby #4 when she doesnt even have custody of the other 3, she shouldnt be having more kids if she cant take care of the ones she has.. I also agree that the way they live their life is shameful and they need to get their shit together because we dont know people out here taking from others who have worked so hard to get where they are in life.. I hope LE comes out with a statement because this is just taking WAY TO LONG! This family shouldnt have to keep worrying and suffering this way..

[NICKATNIGHT]

I wonder how tough TW would be if someone put a gun down her fucking throat & made her beg for her life. She is a piece of shit & needs to learn how to swallow.

[curious]

Having an opinion is one thing, but those wishing ill-will upon others (quotes provided upon request) based on FB goings-on, seems like big 'ole hypocrites to me. Let's just hope they're not part of the jury when this goes to trial.[/color]

... etc etc & like ALL of here peers who actually know her personally unlike us who do not, have said, she needs to get a job & live life right because there is no 401K in robbing & trickin.

Sorry, guess I missed the 300+ friends of theirs who made that claim, I just recall two.

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[Freshbait78]

Im not saying I wouldnt snitch too because if it was me and I WAS INNOCENT then hell yeah im not going down for anyone elses shit! Im saying how do you know that SOMEONE else was holding a gun or that johnny wasnt more involved than what we heard on FB and through records??? LE wants an arrest, if they are hearing from 2 people that another person held a gun then yes the other 2 will get less time but does that mean those other 2 people are telling the truth and they are just stand-bys? THATS THE POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE... Im not saying JOhnny was a bad person Im just saying look at it from other views not just one way, we dont know what really happened...thats all im trying to say...

I feel like you had a convo or a few with AG & you are really really reaching trying to find a way to prove his or TW's innocence & in the process you are trying to dirty up Johnnys name. Hey... I'm not faulting you, I'm not really emotionally invested in this BUT are you attempting to prove that Johnny is a "bad dude" by saying that the COURT recordes are wrong or may be wrong & that the right person didn't spend the correct time in jail? Are you saying that maybe JOHNNY was the one with the gun & one dude lied for him & the other dude took the rap for him & he's still in jail so that Johnny could be free? Is that it? Well........ in retrospect, I bet Maytee would much prefer to keep putting $400 on her sons books & know he's alive than to have him skate by on a charge he should have been convicted of & have him dead. However...... I don't believe that to be the case. I believe he was with a friend who robbed someone at gunpoint & because he was there & guilty by association, he did the time he should have & was attempting to do something with himself. Believe what you'd like though

[Nina]

Sorry, guess I missed the 300+ friends of theirs who made that claim, I just recall two.

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Tiffany deleted 400+ of her "friends" yesterday on FB. Guess she is finally wising up a little.

[Freshbait78]

Sorry, guess I missed the 300+ friends of theirs who made that claim, I just recall two.

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Curious... sweety... have you been to TW's page lately? She actually deleted more than half of her friends yesterday after that hoopla... she now has less then 130 FB friends. & NO WHERE did I say that 300+ friends said that she needed to change her way of life, although I think it's pretty fucking evident that she does considering she doesn't have ANY of her kids & what more could make you want to change your ways than your own children, but I digress, believe what you'd like. The fact of the matter is People who actually KNOW her & have for years think she is a piece of shit

[jenjen]

LE wants an arrest, if they are hearing from 2 people that another person held a gun then yes the other 2 will get less time but does that mean those other 2 people are telling the truth and they are just stand-bys? THATS THE POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE... Im not saying JOhnny was a bad person Im just saying look at it from other views not just one way, we dont know what really happened...thats all im trying to say...

ANY felony committed with a firearm in the state of Ohio requires a MANDATORY 3 year sentence for a gun specification. This 3 years is over and above the sentence for the felony charge, robbery in this case. My guess would be, that's why Johnny and the other guy recieved a lesser sentence....they didn't have the gun. IMO Johnny's shorter sentence had NOTHING to do with snitching.

[pplrcrazy]

I feel like you had a convo or a few with AG & you are really really reaching trying to find a way to prove his or TW's innocence & in the process you are trying to dirty up Johnnys name. Hey... I'm not faulting you, I'm not really emotionally invested in this BUT are you attempting to prove that Johnny is a "bad dude" by saying that the COURT recordes are wrong or may be wrong & that the right person didn't spend the correct time in jail? Are you saying that maybe JOHNNY was the one with the gun & one dude lied for him & the other dude took the rap for him & he's still in jail so that Johnny could be free? Is that it? Well........ in retrospect, I bet Maytee would much prefer to keep putting $400 on her sons books & know he's alive than to have him skate by on a charge he should have been convicted of & have him dead. However...... I don't believe that to be the case. I believe he was with a friend who robbed someone at gunpoint & because he was there & guilty by association, he did the time he should have & was attempting to do something with himself. Believe what you'd like though

NO what Im saying is NO ONE KNOWS THE TRUTH! Im saying that people lie and people drag others down.. I have only talked to AG on one occassion and like I said I DONT KNOW IF HE DID IT! Im saying that I just wanted to hear his side since all the info we get is from maytee or when maytee swears his name and he gets pissed off enough to write back.. Im not saying johhny was a bad person and I stated that above, what Im saying is not everything is clean cut and dry like said.. There was more evidence if he got convicted for a year other than just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, i do believe that.. but like I said im not trying to make anyone look bad, whenever anyone pass' away its like your not aloud to say negative shit that might be the truth or speculate on the possibilites that maybe things werent as they seemed.. Im just thinking out side the "box" like everyone was before.. If AG and TW did this shit then they will rot in hell.. I think the ghetto shit is disgusting and trashy point blank, but Im not getting anywhere constantly assuming its ag and tw what if its someone maytee owed money to for her "drugs" or what if it was someone johnny "snitched" on or whatever the case is.. I think TW had something to do with it though in a way because she keeps popping up shit like this, and AG would know if it is her and one thing that does stand out to me is that if he was 1 out of 28 that didnt snitch for the safe case then he is NOT going to snitch about this. Stop taking the shit im saying and twisting it around because you dont like how it sounds or because I have a different opinion..

[Nina]

Sad, sweet tribute from one of Johnny's friends:

BA: ‎ " This Is Me, Swallowing My Pride. Standing In Front Of You, Saying I`m Sorry For That Night.. & I Go Back To December ALL THE TIME ♥ " -T S

SD:Man I miss him

BA: Dear Johnny;
Everytime I Needed Someone To Talk To U Dropped What U Were Doing To Talk To Me. U Were A Great Listener & U Always Had My Back. Now I Rele Need Someone To Talk To But The One Person Whos Suppose To Always Be There For Me Just Blew Me Off For A Game Of Pool. I Wish U Were Still Here, U Never Let Me Down. U Always Brightened Everyones Day & Now Ur Brightening Our Sky. Rest In Paradise♥


By the way, several of TW's "friends" deleted her from their FBs shortly after the murders. Maybe they didn't care to be associated with her anymore........