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(04-14-2011, 04:53 PM)pspence Wrote: I swear...I don't think he had anything to do with it...he admits he has an anger problem...I'm not defending his behavior but I don't think he had anything to do with L/J's horrific tragedy. I hope I'm not wrong as I know I could be.
Pspence, What part of this little narrative influenced your opinion?
Was it this " made all the gurls go into a room becuase i feel it is cowardly to take money from girls and i made all the guys in the house empty their pockets "
or " .i shot the gun into tiffany's friends hood of her car"
or maybe "ive hit girls be4 but thety were my girlfriends"
Well I guess its ok to rob people as long as you don't make their bitches watch. And it is ok to shoot off guns to intimidate people as long as you just shoot up their ride. And its ok to smack around bitches as long as she is YOUR 'ho.
I still dont know if he is involved in this crime but nothing HE has said has influenced me at all. I am just unsure because it seems like he'd have been arrested already if they had any proof ~ he'd be an obvious person of interest.
Pspence, seriously I don't mean to insult you at all but WHAT has he said that makes you believe him? Every time he opens his mouth I am more convinced he is a sociopath. At the very least he is an extremely arrogant and dangerous criminal.
I am thinking maybe you have led a sheltered life (lucky you) and have not ever had to actually live around someone with a selfish, criminal mindset like this; someone that is a complusive liar and thief. Maybe you really don't understand what kind of havoc they wreak. It sounds like you feel sorry for him ????
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So it's cowardly to take money from girls but not cowardly to point a gun at a man and take his instead - WTF?!!! These people have such a warped sense of morality, it's like they're from a different planet.
I think this guy is a real menace to society because he's so volatile, and there's no telling what could trigger his next violent attack. IMHO I also think he has a lot of sociopathic and narcissistic characteristics. However, I don't think he was at Straubs' that night, though reserving judgement about whether he still instigated the robbery or genuinely had no knowledge about it.
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HAHAHA I want to know if he has a concealed carry license. ROFL
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(04-14-2011, 05:03 PM)blueberryhill Wrote: Re VD, it is strange that he disappeared from BA's FB page, but he has also disappeared from several friends' FB pages. i could not find him anywhere.
I think it's possible on FB to choose who can see your profile and go invisible to everyone else, so that could be what he's done.
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(12-31-1969, 08:02 PM)pspence -2814407' Wrote: I swear...I don't think he had anything to do with it...he admits he has an anger problem...I'm not defending his behavior but I don't think he had anything to do with L/J's horrific tragedy. I hope I'm not wrong as I know I could be.
pspence, Well done Lady! We all know we don't want to be played as Nina commented.......What a Ruffian he is but, he admits to having an anger problem! His appearance doesn't scare me but, when this guy gets riled up about things and with a gun in hand now that would sure scare me, you can sort of see why Johnny might be a bit leery - is AG there? Johnny probably knew about the temper (also Johnny has that Casanova look about him with muscles) but, he could be a very Timid fellow.
This is one big mess with TW & AG - this AG doesn't sound much of a party guy to me but, who knows and TW definately likes to party she is in many pictures. I rule the pair out - I don't think TW was jealous of Lisa and AG wasn't jealous of Johnny. Thanks!
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(04-14-2011, 05:03 PM)blueberryhill Wrote: Re VD, it is strange that he disappeared from BA's FB page, but he has also disappeared from several friends' FB pages. i could not find him anywhere. A friend with same last name as VD
posted that "she missed him a lot." She could have meant Johnny, VD~~~~just not sure.
(posted on BD's FB page)
She was talking about her brother, imo. VD had a court date in Feb. and was sentence to a year of active probation on 3/31. The next day he deleted his fb page. A lot of the photos on VDs fb included friends that are now locked up for trafficking in heroin. VD's record is relatively clean.
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(04-14-2011, 06:30 PM)onefortheroad Wrote: I think it's possible on FB to choose who can see your profile and go invisible to everyone else, so that could be what he's done.
It has definitely been deleted.
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Adub, thanks for the info!
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(04-14-2011, 06:34 PM)Adub Wrote: She was talking about her brother, imo. VD had a court date in Feb. and was sentence to a year of active probation on 3/31. The next day he deleted his fb page. A lot of the photos on VDs fb included friends that are now locked up for trafficking in heroin. VD's record is relatively clean.
Adub, Would going on probation be why he shut it down? AG was on his friends list.
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(04-14-2011, 06:42 PM)blueberryhill Wrote: Adub, thanks for the info!
I have always kept an eye in that direction. It was the last place (that I know of) where Johnny was the night of the murders. And there are pictures linking not only TW to that group of "friends" but also Lisa. It looks like that is where TW may have been on NYE.
I believe that the murders are related to the settling of an account. Johnny and Lisa were being held accountable for something. I just don't have a clue as to what that something is.
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(04-14-2011, 06:48 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Adub, Would going on probation be why he shut it down? AG was on his friends list.
Naw, many are on probation and talk of dropping for the po all the time. Dang, some even claim to be on the run. AG is on probation.
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Adub, yes, very interesting, assuming he was one of the last
persons to see Johnny alive. Could friends who are locked
up for dealing heroin be involved also?
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Adub, yes, very interesting, assuming he was one of the last
persons to see Johnny alive. Could friends who are locked
up for dealing heroin be involved?
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If you or anyone you know has ever been set up harrassed or robbed by TW please contact crimestoppers asap 4192551111 this person n her crew are very dangerous they have already been involved in three robberies leading to murder and dozens of home invasions lets take the evil demons of the street and give them a one way ticket to deathrow!!!!!!!!!!!
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(04-14-2011, 06:55 PM)Adub Wrote: I have always kept an eye in that direction. It was the last place (that I know of) where Johnny was the night of the murders. And there are pictures linking not only TW to that group of "friends" but also Lisa. It looks like that is where TW may have been on NYE.
I believe that the murders are related to the settling of an account. Johnny and Lisa were being held accountable for something. I just don't have a clue as to what that something is.
Adub, Johnny and VD just started hanging out with each other the last couple of weeks of Johnny's life - VD said.......
February 08, 2011
"JOHNNY ITS CRAZY THAT NIGHT OF WATCHIN THE PRO BOWL U TOLD ME V** CALM DOWN LIFES TOO SHORT N TOMMOROW IS NEVER PROMISED TO ANYONE. I LUV U FOR THAT CUZ U WERE MY ONLY FRIEND THAT ALWAYS LOOKED OUT 4 ME N WANTED THE BEST 4 ME. IM GLAD U WAS MY NEIGHBOR N I GOT TO SPEND MY CHILDHOOD WIT U. N IM GLAD WE HUNG OUT LIKE WE DID THE LAST 2 WEEKS I HAD WIT U. I LUV U JOHNNY N GOD B WIT U N UR FAMILY. CLARKE FAMILY IM SO SORRY N ASK GOD TO GET U THROUGH THIS. I GUNNA MISS U CUBANO. U WAS LIKE A BROTHER. U WILL NEVER B FORGOTTEN JOHNNY BOY."
Wonder what Johnny asked him to calm down about?
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(04-14-2011, 07:06 PM)blueberryhill Wrote: Adub, yes, very interesting, assuming he was one of the last
persons to see Johnny alive. Could friends who are locked
up for dealing heroin be involved?
There were a number of individuals arrested and charged for dealing heroin back in Dec. They sold to undercover cops. The word that Johnny was an informant has always been an area of interest to me. And that he was dealing drugs. Well at least four individuals very close to VD were busted in December, a little more than a month before the murders.
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(04-14-2011, 07:21 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Wonder what Johnny asked him to calm down about?
On Jan 29 th he was cited for possession and abuse. Might have been that.
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Another thought came to mind this morning, when I was trying to fall asleep- I am typing this off, before work
and a bit rushed, so bear with me.
Since I have always felt that TW could be involved in this, I started thinking of the phone calls.
A scenario came to mind, that I started tossing around, and wondered if anyone could add to this...
Lets say that TW had dropped the perps off at the home, and perhaps parked a few blocks away, intending to rob the home.
This circle of people would know the Straubs were out of town, and may even know that JC had plans to be at a friends house
watching a game, and LS would be at work.
Perhaps LS was let off work, earlier than she as schedules (very common with wait staff jobs) and they came home during the robbery.
The perps may of attempted to hide in the home, and could of text TW on her phone, telling her they were stuck and to make an excuse to have
JC and LS leave, so they could get out, without being caught.
TW calls JC, wanting to hang out, and says she needs a ride, can he come get her? They agree to.
Because TW must wait for the perps, who cannot leave the home, until JC and JS leave the home, then chances are, they will get to TW's house
before she will, which means, she will not be there, so now, she speaks with them to tell them she is going to the store, and if she is not home
to just let themselves in, and she will be right there.
And it could be, that the perps were noticed in their hiding spots, while JC and LS were still in the home, before they left, and this is where things went wrong.
Upon discovering a "friend" hiding in a closet (or the shower, or just pick a place), JC says, Bro, what are you doing here? He knows the guy, he is confused... but not feeling he is in danger at this point...
I dunno... I should do more sleeping and less thinking- but I thought I would toss this out there, and see what anyone else can add, or take away from this scenario.
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(04-14-2011, 07:34 PM)Snoopy Wrote: Perhaps
Perhaps. I'm of the impression that LE has access to the cell phones used that night. To make sure everything added up, and to interview those that had contact with TW/AG in the days prior. And no smoking gun resulted. Thank you Maytee. But, ZB lawyered up (I think I read that here), imo, and TW was using his cell phone.
So where were the drugs coming from that ended up being sold near Rogers High School? And what was the name of the gangbangers that claimed Hill as their blocc? Hill and something, I can't remember. But, I think it is around Dorr, where AG lives. And Sleepy Hollow Park. That is where the undercover cop was last Fall.
Is 250 < 500 grams of heroin a lot?
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