Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[kfran]

LC, what does "manually strangled" mean? Using one's hands to strangle another?

[Lady Cop]

yes. that is what the uncle stated. as opposed to a ligature. i never heard that detail released before, has anyone?

[kfran]

Not released info, no. But about a million posts ago, I suggested that the bags were just placed over their heads that they were not suffocated. But everyone that posted said that the news reported that Johnny & Lisa were asphyxiated.

[Lady Cop]

well unless my memory is totally shot to hell, the ME said there were no marks on bodies. strangulation would result in marks and even crushed hyoid bone in neck. so perhaps the uncle said something that was intended to be kept under wraps by authorities.

asphyxiation simply means air supply cut off by whatever means.

2/1/11 Blade:
A young couple found murdered in a Springfield Township home early Monday died from asphyxiation, the Lucas County coroner said Tuesday.

hyoid bone:

[NightOwl]

yes. that is what the uncle stated. as opposed to a ligature. i never heard that detail released before, has anyone?

Never heard they were manually strangled until yesterday when the Uncle mentioned it in a couple of the news interviews. I thought the ME said the bodies had no marks on them.

[Duchess]

Also, I've always been led to believe that manual strangulation took some time, it's not instant death. Does he even know what he's talking about?

Screwing up the tip line number was just stupid. How the hell does one fuck up something that is so important? That's a rhetorical question.

[Lady Cop]

off-topic, but may be of interest to our Ohio members:
Ohio is serious about the death penalty!
Associated Press

LUCASVILLE, Ohio (AP) - An Ohio inmate who said he didn't recall fatally shooting his ex-girlfriend and her boyfriend 27 years ago was put to death Tuesday after an appeals court overturned a stay of execution and the nation's highest court declined to intervene.

Daniel Lee Bedford, 63, was pronounced dead at 11:18 a.m., making him the third inmate in Ohio _ and the nation _ to be put to death using the surgical sedative pentobarbital as a stand-alone execution drug.

Bedford's attorneys had fought to the wire to block the lethal injection, arguing that he was improperly denied legal proceedings and that he had dementia and a mild mental disability, leaving him not competent enough to understand why he was being executed. A judge granted a stay of execution Monday, but a federal appeals court lifted it.

Bedford, in glasses and a short gray beard, declined to give a formal final statement after he laid down on the gurney but later yelled "I love you" to two witnesses. His adult daughter, Michelle Connor, shouted back, "I love you, Daddy!" He also called out to Kristi Schulenberg, a friend and pen pal with whom he had kept in touch since the mid-1990s. She said she loved him, too.

"God bless you," he said as the injection began. His mouth moved slightly and his chest appeared to rise and fall several times before he became still.

Bedford was sentenced to death after confessing to authorities that he shot Gwen Toepfert, 25, and John Smith, 27, at Toepfert's Cincinnati apartment, apparently because he was jealous after finding the couple there several days before the slayings. He learned from Toepfert's roommate that the couple was home and waited at the apartment where, armed with a revolver and a shotgun, he killed Smith and shot Toepfert multiple times before returning to her body and firing a shotgun blast into her groin to be sure she was dead, prosecutors said.

[NightOwl]

Big John Sr. saw the bodies first hand he had to have known by the way their necks were - if they were manually strangled - how horrible! Maytee and John Sr. have to know IMO

Then my gosh we wouldn't want to find fault with the Fire Chief would we!
nothing like getting the wrong phone number printed in the News!

[Lady Cop]

in my vast experience with news/reporting, THEY are the ones who get things wrong. (the phone number)

[kfran]

Also, I've always been led to believe that manual strangulation took some time, it's not instant death. Does he even know what he's talking about?

I'm wondering the same thing Duchess i.e. "does he even know what he's talking about?"

I had previously suggested (way back when) that the "intraband pants" were used to strangle Lisa, because weren't we told through the news that the pants were underneath her head/neck??? The word "manual" is an interesting choice of word to me.

[Lady Cop]

I am the one who said "manual". uncle said something like "with hands".

[kfran]

LOL, no offense meant LadyCop. I'm going to stick w/my original theory that Lisa was strangled w/those infamous intraband pants.

[esbee]

Also, I've always been led to believe that manual strangulation took some time, it's not instant death. Does he even know what he's talking about?

I'm wondering the same thing Duchess i.e. "does he even know what he's talking about?"

I had previously suggested (way back when) that the "intraband pants" were used to strangle Lisa, because weren't we told through the news that the pants were underneath her head/neck??? The word "manual" is an interesting choice of word to me.

If you watch the interview, the uncle does not say that it was instant death. It has been transcribed incorrectly.

[Lady Cop]

LOL, no offense meant LadyCop. I'm going to stick w/my original theory that Lisa was strangled w/those infamous intraband pants.

why would i take offense? i was merely clearing up fact that the uncle did not say "manual", i did. i disagree about the pants.
i also think Lisa's uncle may have misspoken.

[shitstorm]

I thought at the beginning of this that the coroner/ME said that Lisa had an injury to the neck.

[Lady Cop]

video at link:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/video?id=8136690

ABC 13 local
One of the lead detectives in the investigation of a double murder in Springfield Township is calling its quits. She's retiring at the end of the month

The high profile murders made national news after the bodies of Lisa Straub and her boyfriend Johnny Clark were found in a house on Longacre Lane.

After nearly 31 years on the job, Lucas County Sheriff Detective Cathy Stooksbury is trading her badge in for a laid back lifestyle. Stooksbury is retiring. She is also one of the lead detectives on the high profile Springfield double homicide case.

"A double homicide of a very young couple. I've had hundreds of child abuse cases. Some of them have been very hard, but this one was just horrific in what I saw that day," she says.

Stooksbury has had a good career as a detective. She's the only female detective in the bureau. She's worked thousands of cases, held families hands, hugged them and has solved numerous crimes.

She says every case takes a little chunk out of a detective, but the one that will leave the biggest mark is the killing of Lisa Straub and Johnny Clarke.

"They have lots of friends, and there are people out there right now, I think, who know what happened," she says. "They're afraid to come forward, or they're living under this idea in their head that 'I just can't tell. I just can't tell.' Well, this is a double homicide, step forward. We need your help."

On January 31, the couple was murdered inside Lisa Straub's parents' home on Longacre Lane. They were found dead with bags over their heads.

Stooksbury says, given all the emotion involved in the case, it's hard to retire while it's still unsolved. "To be the lead, you try and make sure everything is covered, but everybody else knows what they are doing. They are all very good at what they do," she says.

The sheriff's office has a task force working the case everyday. Stooksbury says, "It's just going to take that one tip to break this over the edge, and, to the families, I say our people will solve this for you. Just give them some time. Again, we are dealing with people that don't want to tell us stuff, and that makes it hard."

Stooksbury doesn't want to leave the case behind, but she knows the friends and investigators she's worked with over the years will leave no stone unturned.

[WolfHouse]

"Again, we are dealing with people that don't want to tell us stuff, and that makes it hard."

SUCH a professional. "Stuff her."

[Sonny223]

She has been involved with shady people in the SD, Telb is a little untrustworthy as well. Now IMO she is basically washing her hands of the case for undisclosed reasons. Maybe she feels guilty for overlooking something, or the SD messed up on this and she knows about it. This is the biggest case she has been involved with, and probably one of the most interesting to say the least, mock following proves that. It needs solved ASAP, Americas Most Wanted needs to air this case .

[koko]

She has been involved with shady people in the SD, Telb is a little untrustworthy as well. Now IMO she is basically washing her hands of the case for undisclosed reasons. Maybe she feels guilty for overlooking something, or the SD messed up on this and she knows about it. This is the biggest case she has been involved with, and probably one of the most interesting to say the least, mock following proves that. It needs solved ASAP, Americas Most Wanted needs to air this case .

i think she actually implied that the reasoning is because this case got to her bad enough to push her over the retirement line. (maybe not but that's what i got from the article)

IMO that's bullllllshit, you'd think as the lead detective, the more the case bothered you the less likely you'd be to just walk away from the investigation. Especially when, as you said, it's the biggest case she's been involved with.

I'm interested to find out if we're making too much of this right now because we're so eager for more progress in the case or if maybe, just maybe, there is something fishy about her retiring right now

sorry if I'm rambling but I'm tired, been catching up on the thread, and now the yellow text on here looks 3D to me.... :O been a long day

[Duchess]

I wouldn't want her on any case that involved my family member. I read in this thread that she was incapable of identifying a murder that took place right under her nose, she's either much too dumb or she's a liar, it's one or the other.