Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Lady Cop]

I may drink Kool Aid (actually I've always liked the grape variety) and I still might use that effin' quote function incorrectly. At least I'm not cruel.

we were never cruel here either. we did however tell the TRUTH. i was always understanding. until she started wishing death on us, blah blah. and claiming "we" email her kids. she's a filthy liar, she knows what went down, she hindered the case. my sympathy, any kindness i may have felt are gone. she is psychotic. plain and simple.

[HairOfTheDog]

I may drink Kool Aid (actually I've always liked the grape variety) and I still might use that effin' quote function incorrectly. At least I'm not cruel.

Personally, I find it cruel that her supporters and those in her inner circle apparently haven't addressed her frightening behavior with her. Enabling. I don't have anything personal against her and I hope justice is found for her son, his girlfriend and their families. But, there are big red flags waving throughout Mrs. Clarke's increasingly belligerent statements and posts. She has gone off the rails, period.

If what she says about how she is treating her husband and children is true (and considering the paranoid delusions she's been posting publicly regarding people she's never met), she most certainly needs professional help, be it voluntary or forced. I hope someone close to her cares enough to be truthful with her and intervenes.

Rational, yes?

[JsMom]

I could NEVER forgive her, but I DO want Justice for these two kids.

It was a very heinous crime. I still don't see how ANYONE could do these type of things to others.

I sure HOPE they find the killer/killer's soon.

I can not imagine waking up everyday wondering if LE has found the killer/killer's.

I will follow this case until justice is served. This one and may others.

[kitty1]

I love Mock, find it fascinating...the people bright (most brighter than me I'm sure)...however, I think many of us have gone beyond what is right in responses to Maytee into the land of being mean.

My grandmother would say "always take the high road"...that would be to disengage. Saying such things in response to a woman going through her grief from such a tragedy beyond a mom's worst nightmare that she gets a total pass - even for being somewhat whacky - please put yourself in her shoes for a moment...I would be in a total flip out wishing for whacky...responding back to her is like shooting fish in a barrell...and there have been some mean things said about her and her family if we were all to be totally honest.


Rational, yes?

I think I am almost as annoyed with you as I am with Maytee! I just want to fucking shake you!! You are as blind and as in denial as she is! This is no longer about a mother's grief. This is about a woman who is dispaying delusional behavior and is quite possibly a danger to her children and herself. And what is the statute of limitations on her grief? How long do you give her a "pass" to act in this manner? So is JSmom a grieving parent in your book? It would be ok then for her to act in such a manner and get a pass? I lost a family member to murder so I can act however I want? Most everyone on this site has grieved over a loved one at some time, so they are allowed to act this way? So you have no argument. We all are grieving...so we are excused from acting in the manner that you believe to be innappropriate.

[pspence]

Kitty1 says "...This is no longer about a mother's grief. This is about a woman who is dispaying delusional behavior and is quite possibly a danger to her children and herself. And what is the statute of limitations on her grief?So is JSmom a grieving parent in your book? It would be ok then for her to act in such a manner and get a pass? I lost a family member to murder so I can act however I want? Most everyone on this site has grieved over a loved one at some time, so they are allowed to act this way? So you have no argument. We all are grieving...

Of course it is still about a mother's grief...yes, twisted as hers might be...there is no statute of limitations on a mother's grief.

Regarding your comment about JSmom...she will always be longing for her child... incidentally, I've always liked JSmom and feel badly Maytee said those ugly things to her. However, JSmom appears to be mentally healthy enough to not let it take away from her life, or to give Maytee's words any power...

You said "This is about a woman who is dispaying delusional behavior ..." EXACTLY my point.

You say she "could be a danger to her children"...I've never seen any indication or evidence of that...she appears to be very protective of her family.

I would like to think if I could talk directly with Maytee, I would kindly, with empathy, encourage her to get professional counseling/help...not continue to bring gasoline to the fire of a sad/tragic situation.

I'm sorry you had a murdered family member...how horrible. I'm glad you've handled your situation with such dignity. But everyone's different and she should be pitied and left alone. I hope it wasn't your child who was murdered which to me would be the worst pain in the world - and then to realize they were not only murdered but tortured before their death.

And then to know deep down inside - it could have been because of (inadvertently) telling the wrong person (in her apparently seedy world) that Lisa's parents were out of town that the whole thing happened. She has to live with the guilt of wondering...and as I tell my children "just disengage". Let's get back to discussing the case and hoping for an arrest soon.

[Lady Cop]

pspence Offline
(57 years old)
Betty Boob
pspence ('betty boop') has always been two-faced and sucked up to maytee. wait until SHE gets accused of being a child molester or emailing maytee's kids.

we are horrible people, so cruel. while she is saintly and understanding. i am so ashamed of myself for spending MONTHS trying to help solve this case and keep it alive on the internet. maytee has about 4 (semi-illiterate) readers, i have hundreds of readers following this and other cases. nobody has any clue whatsoever the information i get. this is THE forum of record for this case. so i will not be abused by a fucking loon for my efforts. go be saintly at maytee's voodoo-land-o-rama-drama site. if my members want to verbally kick maytee's sorry fat pajama-clad ass, they are welcome to do so. and not be chastised by you. fucking holier than thou bullshit. you think i don't know you've always been at maytee's playing one against the other?


here for you AGAIN pspence:

to quote properly, click on the person's post quote button found at bottom of their post. then when the box comes up, post YOUR comment UNDER this-------> [/quote]

this has been explained repeatedly and there are HELP threads in HQ.

[Realistic]

Maytee's problem is that she is making this about her and not about Johnny and Lisa. I would bet people have tried to help her move past her grieve. It just appears as if she DOESN'T WANT to move past her grief. This has become her new identity. The problem is she has taken the focus off the case and placed it on her.I think most of us agree we feel very little for Maytee. But we have to remember this is not about her. It is about finding out who is responsible for this crime. Forget about Maytee.....ignore Maytee.... move past Maytee. She just isn't worth the aggravation.

I think the case is what is important.

[FutileResistance]

It’s one thing to take interest in a case so publicized as this one from the beginning and discuss it. Or to gather information surrounding the case and present it to the forum.

It’s another to have absolutely have no involvement at any level, and get yourself inserted into the lives of the people that this has affected.

JsMom, I understand as a mother suffering from losing a child or knowing the steps of that grief process, that you wanted to reach out to another mother. But you got way too involved. Until it was too late to realize what kind of trash you were dealing with. On some level I empathize with the attacks upon you, but at the same moment. Its of your own making and design that there is so much hatred directed towards you. Whether it was purposeful or not. Maybe its time you shut the door and just move on. Because the hate followed you her. We don’t need that shit!

Pspence, Really? Take your soapbox and shove it! You are about the most ignorant, self serving moron I have yet to see come to these forums. First you defend that Tiffany chick? She is a pathetic, perc/oxy popping, fuck anyone, rob anyone, wannabe gangbanger, sewer- trash hoodrat! That’s about the only description I agree with Maytee on! Did you think anyone would be blind enough not to see her true colors??? Were we expected to believe her fictional characterization; of herself coming to this forum saying “oh poor me.” Fuck her, and fuck you for defending her. Idiot! As for your defense of Maytee? Again, REALLY? No respectable member of this group has done anything to her, so stop the fucking excuse train! She alone has reinforced the negative opinions developed from her irrational outbursts, finger pointing, and what some would consider “odd” behavior. Yet, she gets on the cuckoo bird express and starts making empty and slanderous attacks against this forum. And unlike her, we have focused on facts! She has made this case about her and only her! No one believes that her son or anyone for that matter deserved what had happened. If anyone is clouding the memory of her son it is her. So don’t come in here trying to apply some fucked up warped common sense! You are the last person that needs to be defending anyone. Your posts speak for themselves. As I told JSMom, time to move on!

[HairOfTheDog]

pspence posted:
I would like to think if I could talk directly with Maytee, I would kindly, with empathy, encourage her to get professional counseling/help...not continue to bring gasoline to the fire of a sad/tragic situation.

This would be a much more productive use of your counselling acumen. Our responses to Maytee are the "effect" of ongoing baseless accusations and irrational rants. Why don't you address the "cause", a much smarter approach, imo. Have you in fact reached out to Maytee via her Facebook page or email to inform her that you find her comments inappropriate and antagonizing ("bringing gasoline to the fire")? Have you communicated to her, kindly and with empathy, that you believe she needs counselling/help?

If not, I don't understand why not. You can communicate to her electronically just as you can impose your compassionate wisdom to Mock Members via post on this public forum. I would argue that it is in Maytee's best interest to hear loudly and clearly just how unwell she really is and how out of control she has become.

Whether her psychosis is a product of grief, a personality disorder, substances...is irrelevant, it's real and appears to be escalating. Perhaps someone has intervened in the last day and a half; I hope so. Perhaps you can focus on being part of the solution rather than counselling others to ignore the problem. Rational, yes?

Are you related:?

Sally Karioth

[Lady Cop]

Sally Karioth

oh god nooooooooooo!!! the loon leader!!

[JsMom]

As I told JSMom, time to move on!

I understand, and I agree. I have moved on. I am not worried about what she says. I never have been. I may have said A LOT but I will NEVER lower myself to talk about anyone's child (dead or alive).

[HairOfTheDog]

Sally Karioth

oh god nooooooooooo!!! the loon leader!!

Musical theater major and grief expert extraordinaire

[BlueTiki]

Of course it is still about a mother's grief...yes, twisted as hers might be...there is no statute of limitations on a mother's grief.

You said "This is about a woman who is dispaying delusional behavior ..." EXACTLY my point.

I don't believe the hateful outbursts, lies and deliberate cruelty . . . yes, cruelty . . . from her, is exclusively from grief. In fact, it is my opinion that grief hardly plays a role in her attacking posts.

Yeah . . . I know. "We all grieve differently."

Yup . . . heard that one during the OJ trial. Oh wait! I damned near forgot Casey Anthony! In court, her bizarre behavior was explained as "an absence or inability to grieve." Hence, the partying. And the lying.

Let's focus on the lying. Lying, to my knowledge, is not considered a stage of grief.

Maytee stated she was in grief counseling. I'm sorry pspence, maybe I'm just a [insert one of the numerous colorful descriptions by Maytee], but is there any "evidence" to support this statement?

I'd love to know what grief counselor encourages a client to visit a website (especially filled with child molesters and killers), repeatedly, in the hope of finding peace and health.

YOUR point, pspence, is she is displaying delusional behavior. Ima thinkin' this 'family grief counseling' is just one component of her delusion.

However, on a happy note, I do see some progress.

In the beginning, Maytee's statements about her loss seemed more like a woman who lost a lover versus a mother losing a child. She never mentioned the loss of Lisa.

Finally, Lisa is now mentioned . . . and Maytee is STILL geting in Johnny's pants.

Cruel or fact?

You be sure and let me know.

[Older Than Dirt]

For some reason, I could not get Mock to open up for me yesterday and early this AM. I went into withdrawal! I have been following this case because I knew about it before it hit the news. I didn't join Mock then. I didn't even know that Mock existed. I want to say that I have alot of admiration for LC. She runs a tight ship here. I for one, would not be surprised about who her contacts are and what she knows! I pray daily that this will be solved soon.

[Realistic]

In the beginning, Maytee's statements about her loss seemed more like a woman who lost a lover versus a mother losing a child.

I had the same thought. She still acts as if she has lost a lover. I think it is sick.

[Lady Cop]

thankyou dear 'older than dirt' lady. i got your email but was so busy! Mock was down for quite a while, i knew you'd find your way back!

[Older Than Dirt]

P.S. Besides Maytee's personal FB, RIP, Justice For, there is now In Memory Of. That one is brand new. Justice Will seems to be the only one that was out of control. I couldn't keep up with all those FB accounts. At my age, one is more than enough.

[JsMom]

For some reason, I could not get Mock to open up for me yesterday and early this AM.

I also haven't able to access Mock since yesterday at around 5:10pm CT.

[BlueTiki]

I also haven't able to access Mock since yesterday at around 5:10pm CT.

Just THINK . . . don't respond . . . about your post.

[JsMom]

I also haven't able to access Mock since yesterday at around 5:10pm CT.

Just THINK . . . don't respond . . . about your post.

had to respond. Can't fix it now, so FUCK IT!