Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Aberlin]

Sorry for another long post. I need to learn to be more concise. At least I come by my verbosity naturally, right Older Than Dirt? (note to Older Than Dirt: look up "verbosity" in the dictionary and you'll agree with me.)

Did you just say that to your mother? I hope she hits you upside the head next time she sees you.

People who move every time something bad happens are called carnies.

I am struck, like most people, by the lack of evidence. WTF? Why isn't there more? We aren't dealing with criminal geniuses. I don't understand that part.

We haven't heard all the evidence yet the way I understand it, didn't they say on the Video all the contents of Lisa's handbag were dumped on her bed why? looking for what? what is missing from Lisa's bag we are left wondering there. We do know they have a ring what is the the ring about? was it Lisa's or Lisa's mothers ring or was it a ring of Johnny's
even Lisa hauled around. Where does the ring fit in? was it sold on the street to a hoodrat by another involved? Much more to come! Let's pray it nails the bastards who did this.

If they were going through Lisa's purse, by definition they are looking for something small (or at least small enough to fit in the bag). They did, however, steal about $40 (if I'm not mistaken) from a jar, so why not see if there's any loose bills in Lisa's purse too? Maybe a key to the safe?

Speaking of keys, I really want to know what how the key that was found under Lisa's body plays into this. Perhaps that is why Lisa's purse was emptied? Maybe they thought it was a key to the "safe"?

I think they were definitely looking for something significant, but while they were at it, scored all they could from the house.

[Aberlin]

In the Williams case files, there's a filed letter from Robert Miller (Lucas County Prosecutor's Office) to John Thebes & Jane Roman that says "a supplemental witness list is attached hereto (stamped "COUNSEL ONLY"), but due to various safety concerns, is not being filed." (On page 1 of 8...only the first 2 pages were filed)

Page 2 or 8...

"ATTACHMENTS"
State of Ohio vs. Samuel Williams; Case No. CR11-2568

I. ATTACHMENTS [NOTE: Although "open-file" discovery has been provided, the defense attorney(s) may inspect the file of the State of Ohio, excluding work product and privileged material, at a mutually agreeable date and time prior to trial]:

Bates Numbers: 1185-1187
Contents: Plea Agreement dated 1/30/12 re: "TJ" (COUNSEL ONLY)

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Is this saying that someone by the initials of TJ is doing a plea bargain or am I misunderstanding something?

Though this is public information, if the mods on here feel this is endangering someone, please delete this post.

[NightOwl]

During the Court Video did everyone catch that some photographs of Johnny were torn in half found in a trash basket in a Sunroom at the Straub's home, why would anyone take the time out to do this? thoughts anyone?

[Lady Cop]

A: Is this saying that someone by the initials of TJ is doing a plea bargain or am I misunderstanding something?


it could be a witness like a jailhouse snitch is bargaining for a reduced sentence in exchange for testimony. just a guess. but it's very common.

[NightOwl]

In the Williams case files, there's a filed letter from Robert Miller (Lucas County Prosecutor's Office) to John Thebes & Jane Roman that says "a supplemental witness list is attached hereto (stamped "COUNSEL ONLY"), but due to various safety concerns, is not being filed." (On page 1 of 8...only the first 2 pages were filed)

Page 2 or 8...

"ATTACHMENTS"
State of Ohio vs. Samuel Williams; Case No. CR11-2568

I. ATTACHMENTS [NOTE: Although "open-file" discovery has been provided, the defense attorney(s) may inspect the file of the State of Ohio, excluding work product and privileged material, at a mutually agreeable date and time prior to trial]:

Bates Numbers: 1185-1187
Contents: Plea Agreement dated 1/30/12 re: "TJ" (COUNSEL ONLY)

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Is this saying that someone by the initials of TJ is doing a plea bargain or am I misunderstanding something?

Though this is public information, if the mods on here feel this is endangering someone, please delete this post.

I believe it's Travis Jones the BP gas station robber, probably has info on W&P, I believe you're correct IMO

[NightOwl]

Lady Cop, did you get a chance yet to view all 3 Videos? don't worry I know you have your hands full and then some, I believe it was the Defense, he talked about evidence at the crime scene being tampered with he mentioned Johnny's wallet on his tummy and a piece of paper was sticking out of that wallet, I think it was a BCI fellow who discovered the piece of paper missing also the cigarette butt was moved, something dirty could have gone on here.

Maybe we will hear more, wonder what was on the piece of paper? Defense is like a hawk!

[Lady Cop]

no, i haven't had a chance to watch.
but the defense always claims, from the defense bible & handbook, that the evidence was tampered with. usually by the bumbling bungling police.

[Older Than Dirt]

Dear Mustang,


•"I notice that you use plain, simple language, short words and brief sentences. That is the way to write English--it is the modern way and the best way. Stick to it; don't let fluff and flowers and verbosity creep in. When you catch an adjective, kill it. No, I don't mean utterly, but kill most of them--then the rest will be valuable."
(Mark Twain, letter to D. W. Bowser, March 1880)

Hey guys am I even now???

[Cracker]

Cracker, you could live in a house where someone, particularly your child, was murdered? The only thing that could make me do that would be not being able to afford moving. Guess I'm just sort of superstitious in that respect.

I don't know. But I wouldn't question anyone else for their own personal choice, just in case they read here. I won't speculate on their reasons.

Dear Mustang,


•"I notice that you use plain, simple language, short words and brief sentences. That is the way to write English--it is the modern way and the best way. Stick to it; don't let fluff and flowers and verbosity creep in. When you catch an adjective, kill it. No, I don't mean utterly, but kill most of them--then the rest will be valuable."
(Mark Twain, letter to D. W. Bowser, March 1880)

Hey guys am I even now???

Yes, but you can still hit him if you want.

[Lady Cop]

Dear Mustang,


•"I notice that you use plain, simple language, short words and brief sentences. That is the way to write English--it is the modern way and the best way. Stick to it; don't let fluff and flowers and verbosity creep in. When you catch an adjective, kill it. No, I don't mean utterly, but kill most of them--then the rest will be valuable."
(Mark Twain, letter to D. W. Bowser, March 1880)

Hey guys am I even now???

i say give him a spanking.

[shitstorm]

Just watched the vids. Yes, Owl, I caught that about the waste basket with Johnny's torn up photos and a cigarette butt from Sherita. Dunno if it's significant.

There are no vids for the Williams opening, correct?

[ttownclown]

I still can't believe these scum bags haven't rolled over on the other people yet. I just don't get why they haven't snitched? Are they that scared of the other people involved. Why would you be protecting anyone when facing such serious charges? Oh yeah right one of them is retarded...

[fabulous]

I still can't believe these scum bags haven't rolled over on the other people yet. I just don't get why they haven't snitched? Are they that scared of the other people involved. Why would you be protecting anyone when facing such serious charges? Oh yeah right one of them is retarded...

Honestly I can't either, especially since science is telling us that there were at least two other people at the house that night! .... I know there's the 'don't snitch code' on the streets, but SW is facing the death penalty!!....

[NightOwl]

Just watched the vids. Yes, Owl, I caught that about the waste basket with Johnny's torn up photos and a cigarette butt from Sherita. Dunno if it's significant.

There are no vids for the Williams opening, correct?

Not yet that I know of, I wish and I know Older Than Dirt is on the ball and WUPDawg.

[shitstorm]

The only thing I found incriminating in that opening statement was that Pettaway denied ever having been in Straubs house. Granted, it's entirely possible that Pettaway did give Williams a cigarette, in some other location, and that would leave Pettaway's DNA on it. If you hand someone a cig, you pull it out of the pack by the filter. Can't wait to hear these conversations between these guys. I do believe they're both dumb enough to disregard the fact that the calls are recorded.

[Aberlin]

The only thing I found incriminating in that opening statement was that Pettaway denied ever having been in Straubs house. Granted, it's entirely possible that Pettaway did give Williams a cigarette, in some other location, and that would leave Pettaway's DNA on it. If you hand someone a cig, you pull it out of the pack by the filter. Can't wait to hear these conversations between these guys. I do believe they're both dumb enough to disregard the fact that the calls are recorded.

Maybe they were talking in code like the Zimmerman jail calls with his wife?

[Aberlin]

During the Court Video did everyone catch that some photographs of Johnny were torn in half found in a trash basket in a Sunroom at the Straub's home, why would anyone take the time out to do this? thoughts anyone?

My thought was were they torn in half because someone was trying to remove them from the photo with Johnny or was it ripped in half because it was simply a photo of Johnny?

In other words what I would like to know is if there are any missing halves/pieces of the photos that were torn.

[NightOwl]

13 ABC Opening Statements in Williams capital murder trial - A 2 minute clip.
Wish they had put up the whole video.

http://www.13abc.com/story/19076442/2012...Id=7527147

[misshmarie23]

This is to anyone: The Cousino chick -

do you know how A.C is involved I missed that in this forum along the way and theres so many pages i can't go back. & From Exprience with her she is straight up TROUBLE!!

[misshmarie23]

thoughts anyone?

yeah and the oddness of not only them finding the pictures torn inhalf in that bin but his ex's cig butt? Set up to throw the case off or was she there...hmmmm