Why Toledo is a shithole

[ramseycat]

What. The. Fuck. SMH

[RaisingAPrince]

You know, I always thought that this crap happened everywhere but I just knew more about it because I was living here. Here lately I'm starting to wonder. Toledo is crazy. Just crazy. Sick, sick people. I guess I should be glad we live in a nicer part of the area.

[Midwest Spy]

Who even knew there was a University of Toledo?

Anyhoo, they got their asses beat down yesterday by the Golden Gophers in college basketball.

j/k I knew they had a University. They're the Bobcats!

[NightOwl]

Just cannot imagine being the Deputy who found this man and little girl, what kind of a miserable bastard was Mr Brown? to bloody drive up from Florida to Ohio and murder his 10 yearold daughter, just along any old road he could find.

From Toledo Blade January 15 2013

2 bodies found in car in Henry County
ID'd as father, daughter from Fla.; investigated as a murder-suicide
BLADE STAFF

NEW BAVARIA, Ohio -- The fate of a Parrish, Fla. man and his 10-year-old daughter who were found dead Monday in a vehicle parked on a rural road in Henry County is being investigated as a murder-suicide, authorities said.

The deaths of Timothy R. Brown, 47, and his daughter Alexandra Brown were linked to a custody dispute that was filed in Florida's Manatee County, according to the Henry County Sheriff's Office.

The autopsies were scheduled today at the Lucas County Coroner's Office.

Sheriff's deputies responding to a report of a suspicious vehicle found the bodies about 10:40 a.m. in a vehicle parked on Henry County Road 16-A in the county's Pleasant Township.

Sheriff Michael Bodenbender said the bodies had gunshot wounds. A 9-mm handgun was recovered at the scene, he said.

Mr. Brown was a Holgate High School graduate, according to the sheriff's office. He leaves a father, who lives in the New Bavaria area, Sheriff Bodenbender said.

The sheriff went on to say that Mr. Brown's father did not know that his son and granddaughter were in the area Monday. It was unclear why Mr. Brown and his daughter were there, the sheriff said.

Gary Dulle, the school principal, confirmed that Mr. Brown was a Holgate High graduate but said he did not know him. He refused to comment further.

New Bavaria is about 12 miles southeast of Defiance, which is about 55 miles southwest of Toledo.


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Here is more on the story from Florida and the little girls picture, so sad!

http://www.bradenton.com/2013/01/15/4351...-with.html

[Older Than Dirt]

Then there's the grandmother and her adult son who killed themselves and three young grandchildren in their vehicle just because grandma didn't think her daughter should have custody of the kids. NO GUN. Just a hose hooked up to the tail pipe.

[NightOwl]

Then there's the grandmother and her adult son who killed themselves and three young grandchildren in their vehicle just because grandma didn't think her daughter should have custody of the kids. NO GUN. Just a hose hooked up to the tail pipe.

Can you imagine 5 of them and NO GUN!! I missed that story.

[Older Than Dirt]

NightOwl see post 298.

[Duchess]

A man chased and gunned down his 20-year-old ex-girlfriend in her car before barricading himself in his home and taking his own life as a SWAT team swarmed outside.

Kaitlin Gerber, 20, was followed by her ex-boyfriend Jashua Prez, 29, as she drove to work in Toledo, Ohio and, as he shot at her, she crashed her car in a parking lot.

Authorities are uncertain whether she had been shot before crashing her car, but said that Prez approached the stopped vehicle and fired several more times.

Prez then fled south to his home in Maumee and barricaded himself inside as a SWAT team gathered outside the property.

Crisis negotiators spoke with him by phone for several hours, and at some points he indicated that he was going to emerge, the Toledo Blade reported.

But when a SWAT team forced their way into his home shortly before 5 p.m. on Sunday, they found him dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Gerber's family said her death was the culmination of months of stalking, threats and harassment by Prez, whom she had met while working in a restaurant ahead of applying to college.

When their relationship turned sour last year, she was forced to dye her hair so Prez would not recognise her, and after he sent her reams of letters to her workplace, she contacted authorities.

But her father, Jeff Gerber, believes they did not do enough to help her.

He said they reported an incident where Prez turned up at her workplace and threatened to kill her with a knife. She later obtained a restraining order against him.

He was charged on February 6 with four misdemeanor counts of violating the order after he continued to call and write to his ex-girlfriend.

But the cases were dismissed three weeks later on the recommendation of the prosecutor's office.

'This guy was in jail for violent behavior and he broke a protection order,' he said. 'He was a monster. A real monster. The criminal justice system has completely disappointed us.'

The family said that, on the day of the murder-suicide, Miss Gerber had seen Prez's car outside her home on Sunday and when she started driving to work, he began following her.

'She drove off to protect the rest of the home,' her father said. 'He was a monster.'

She frantically called 911 at 11.30 a.m. to report that an ex-boyfriend was chasing her in her car with a gun. Witnesses also called 911 to report that a man was shooting at a woman in a car.

She came to a stop on the sidewalk outside a shopping center. Prez drove up to her car and fired several more rounds, Steve Kahle, a Lucas County Coroner’s Office investigator, said.

When officers reached her, she was dead from the gunshot wounds.

'I think it did go well in regard to the fact that no police officers were injured, no citizens, and no other threats were posted to the community at large,' Maumee Police Lt. Jeff Siebenaler told the Blade.

'It’s unfortunate it ended the way it did, but the reality is, that's his decision.'

That's a hell of a comment, Lt. Siebenaler.

[RaisingAPrince]

'I think it did go well in regard to the fact that no police officers were injured, no citizens, and no other threats were posted to the community at large,' Maumee Police Lt. Jeff Siebenaler told the Blade.

'It’s unfortunate it ended the way it did, but the reality is, that's his decision.'

That's a hell of a comment, Lt. Siebenaler.

Wow, what about the woman that was killed!!! I dont think anyone was thinking "Oh that poor guy, it's a shame he died" Oh but good thing no one else was hurt.

[Duchess]

Wow, what about the woman that was killed!!!

Yeah, how 'bout that. I was struck by how insensitive that was.

She died terrified after having done all the right things to protect herself, a restraining order is not worth the paper it is printed on & the police were absolutely worthless. Someone should have encouraged her to get a gun & taught her how to use it.

[NightOwl]

Duchess, it's a terribly sad story! I don't know exactly where she worked but, I think some of these restaurants are dangerous for very young vulnerable girls. When this Perz bastard came to the restaurant with a knife threatening to kill her, it's too bad the Manager couldn't have made a citizen arrest, with the aid of other male workers, then have the police arrest him right away! Reams of letters arrive at the work place, what was in those letters? between being stalked, harrassed with mail at work, dyeing ones hair, then getting a restraining order, this guy has lost it! When she saw his car outside her home Sunday my god! she should have called the police then IMO. Police would be aware then lurked around the vicinity they could have shot his tires out, this was a terrible situation shooting at this poor girl in traffic then pull alongside, get out to finish her off!

He apparently was married in 2007 he was a Real Estate Manager then, how come his former wife didn't get attacked like this? This guy is a freak!! he's a registered sex offender, tried to lure a young girl in his car he was no good to anyone!!! glad he's gone.

He's on Mugshotsonline.

Here's Kaitlin she was so pretty. RIP Kaitlin.

[BlueTiki]

He said they reported an incident where Prez turned up at her workplace and threatened to kill her with a knife. She later obtained a restraining order against him.

He was charged on February 6 with four misdemeanor counts of violating the order after he continued to call and write to his ex-girlfriend.

But the cases were dismissed three weeks later on the recommendation of the prosecutor's office.

I'm always amazed when defendants are required to "surrender their passports."

Yeah. Like that stops border crossings.

How 'bout surrendering their fucking weapons after threatening bodily harm?

[Duchess]

I think about how scared she must have been. She knew what was going down :(

[BlueTiki]

When she saw his car outside her home Sunday my god! she should have called the police then IMO.

The system let her down by releasing this POS.

I'm guessing her first instinct wasn't that LE had her back.

[Older Than Dirt]

Sunday’s events unfolded just after 11:30 a.m. when Miss Gerber, 20, called 911 from her car and told police that an ex-boyfriend was chasing her in a car and he had a gun.

“Shortly after [her first 911 call], she reported being shot at,” Toledo Police spokesman Sgt. Joe Heffernan said. “As that was happening, we also had other 911 calls from citizens saying that a male was shooting at a female in a car.”

Miss Gerber’s father, Jeff Gerber, said his daughter was leaving for work when she saw Perz’s car.

“She drove off to protect the rest of the home,” Mr. Gerber said, adding that Perz previously had threatened Miss Gerber’s nieces and nephews. “He was a monster.”

Sergeant Heffernan said Miss Gerber crashed her car, driving up on the curb on Byrne Road near Planet Fitness in the shopping plaza parking lot. When officers reached her, they found her shot to death inside the car.

Steve Kahle, a Lucas County Coroner’s Office investigator, said Miss Gerber may have been struck by a bullet before her car jumped the curb. The assailant reportedly drove up to her stopped car and fired several more rounds, Mr. Kahle said, citing accounts from witnesses.

She was pronounced dead at 11:39 a.m.

“It’s a very sad situation,” Sergeant Heffernan said. “It is unusual to have somebody being chased through the streets getting fired at. It’s just sad to see this young lady had to lose her life in this manner. It’s just a tragedy.”

Maumee Police Lt. Jeff Siebenaler, center, confirms shooting suspect Jashua Perz, 29, was found dead of a self-inflicted gun shot wound. THE BLADE/KATIE RAUSCH Enlarge | Buy This Photo
With reports of the shooter fleeing in a blue GMC Envoy, Maumee police quickly tracked the sport utility vehicle to a ranch house in the 1100 block of Kirk Street in an otherwise quiet neighborhood in Maumee.

Maumee Police Lt. Jeff Siebenaler said police made contact with Perz, who had barricaded himself inside. Crisis negotiators began speaking with Perz by phone and spoke with him for several hours, he said.

“The individual indicated on several occasions his willingness to come out and surrender himself to police officers,” Lieutenant Siebenaler said. “Of course, he never followed through on that promise.”

Just after 4 p.m., SWAT team members in an armored black vehicle pulled up on the curb in front of the house and, using a loudspeaker, implored Perz to come out and talk with them.

“Come to the door with your hands up where we can see them. Work with us,” the negotiator could be heard saying. “Come and talk with us. Make this thing end. Come on. We don’t want anybody to get hurt.”

As the negotiator spoke, members of the tactical team shot tear gas through the windows of the house, but there was no movement.

The standoff ended about 4:35 p.m. when the SWAT team used a battering ram attached to the armored vehicle to knock in the front door. Team members lined up at the front door and carefully went inside about 4:45 p.m.

ship in Sylvania Township and at Jim Shull’s Rib Cage in Maumee. She was planning to attend the University of Toledo to study either pharmacology or chemical engineering, her father said.

The two met at the restaurant where Perz was a customer, said Mr. Gerber, who described his daughter as “an ambitious young lady” and an outgoing, wonderful girl who was very church-oriented, very driven. She attended Toledo First Baptist Church and its offshoot church aimed at younger people and sang in the choir.

Members of a special response team made up of officers from Maumee, Sylvania, and Sylvania Township get into position Sunday near 1145 Kirk St. in Maumee. THE BLADE/KATIE RAUSCH Enlarge | Buy This Photo
Their relationship soured last year Mr. Gerber said.

On the Friday before Labor Day, Perz showed up at the car dealership, Mr. Gerber said.

“He kidnapped her at her place of work and threatened to kill her with a knife,” Mr. Gerber alleged. Police reports on the incident were not available on Sunday.

Her father said Perz wrote her 20 letters, sent to her at the car dealership. She took the letters to the Sylvania Township authorities and obtained a restraining order prohibiting further contact.

Mr. Gerber said Perz continued to call and write her. Perz was charged on Feb. 6 with four misdemeanor counts of violating the order, according to Sylvania Township court records.

According to Sylvania City Solicitor James Moan, Perz pleaded guilty to one count of violating a protective order issued by Lucas County Domestic Relations Court on Feb. 27 and was freed on his own recognizance until a pre-sentence report scheduled for April 1 and a sentence date May 1.

The plea to the first-degree misdemeanor was in connection with a letter that was mailed to the victim by Perz on Jan. 8. Three other cases, related to three other letters, mailed Dec. 5, Dec. 8, and Jan. 14, were dismissed as part of the plea agreement, Mr. Moan said. He said the agreement was recommended by the prosecutor and signed by the victim.

Mr. Gerber said the justice system did little to protect his daughter.

“The judge knew he was a threat,” Mr. Gerber said.

After dealing with the threats and harassments, Miss Gerber moved back to her parents’ home, changed cars, and dyed her hair to avoid seeing Perz, Mr. Gerber said.

“This guy was in jail for violent behavior and he broke a protection order,” he said. “He was a monster. A real monster. The criminal justice system has completely disappointed us.”

ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS WAS RIGHT THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED AND HER daughter had mutal friends with her. http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2...kcuTB4f.99

[NightOwl]

ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS WAS RIGHT THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED AND HER daughter had mutal friends with her.

This event with this mad man had to be a nerve wrecking experience!!! good grief there you are out there and this monster is chasing this girl with a weapon in traffic! I hope your daughter is O.K. something like this does not happen in Toledo.

This mad man was out of control early on, between the pile of letters and then kidnapping her at knife point, the bells should have gone off then, I cannot figure out why her father didn't get involved and put an end to him, track him down and warn him once and for all tell him "keep the hell away from my daughter!"



The restaurant she worked at was open until 2 a.m. I'm not saying she worked until 2 a.m. but, places like that, are more dangerous for a young girl under 21 IMO guys are coming into places looking for women, looking for sex, looking for fun a bar atmosphere.

The following article in the Toledo Blade has more details and here we find out she meets him at the restaurant last year, then she moves in with this jerk that fast and knows nothing about him, just where was her father? the man she is with is a bloody sex offender!!!!!

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Published: 3/26/2013
VIGIL REMEMBERS TOLEDO WOMAN

Shooting victim expressed fear of boyfriend turned killer
He beat her before, left jail on Feb. 27
BY TOM TROY AND VANESSA McCRAY
BLADE STAFF WRITERS


Jashua Perz, who killed his ex-girlfriend Kaitlin Gerber on Sunday, was released from jail even though the victim had expressed fear to her family and police about the gunman.

Perz was recently in jail for beating Miss Gerber last year, and he was under a court-protection order not to contact her. But he violated that order while he was in jail by repeatedly sending letters to the victim.On Feb. 27, he pleaded guilty in Sylvania Municipal Court to violating the protection order, and Judge M. Scott Ramey released him on the same day.

Judge Ramey explains why. The judge said he let Perz out on his own recognizance based on a recommendation from the Sylvania prosecutor, which was signed by Ms. Gerber.

In retrospect, it appears those papers served as a death warrant.

A little more than three weeks later, Perz, 29, carried out the threat he made about six months earlier, to kill Miss Gerber and himself. Driving his blue sport utility vehicle, Perz on Sunday chased down the victim, 20, who was fleeing in her own car to a South Toledo fitness center, and shot her four times in the back inside her car, according to the Lucas County Coroner’s Office and Toledo police.

Perz NOT BLADE PHOTO Enlarge
Later in the day, with police outside his Maumee home, Perz fatally shot himself in the head.

The case has left friends, relatives, and other admirers mourning the loss of Miss Gerber and domestic violence victims’ advocates wishing cases such as hers came under more scrutiny.

Judge Ramey said the case did not lead him to believe Perz would be a threat.

“There was no indication that that was a concern given the information the court had,” Judge Ramey said. “This is a tragedy of the greatest magnitude.”

Sylvania Municipal Court records show that Perz had agreed to plead guilty to one count of violating a protection order while three other counts would be dismissed. The agreement called for him to continue to have no contact with Miss Gerber. Judge Ramey called for a presentence investigation and set sentencing for May 2.

“Nobody was objecting or asking that he not be released,” Judge Ramey said. He said that Miss Gerber was represented in court by the court’s victim advocate. He said he could have refused to accept the recognizance bond but said that refusing the release provision might have invalidated the rest of the agreement.

“When I admonished him about not having contact with her, I did not get any response from him of any kind,” Judge Ramey said, saying that stuck in his mind even though it was customary for a response to that kind of admonishment to come from the attorney, rather than the defendant.

He said Perz’s attorney, Peter Rost, commented that Perz’s letters and phone calls were not violent.

Perz, who was convicted in Lucas County Common Pleas Court of pandering sexually oriented matter involving a minor in 2008, was jailed last year after Miss Gerber told police that on Sept. 7 he held her for four hours at 1146 Country Creek Lane, near Southwyck Boulevard, where they were living together, struck her in the lip and repeatedly in the abdomen, threatened her with a meat tenderizer, and told her, “Tell me the truth or I’ll bust out all of your teeth,” according to the report she filed with Toledo police.

The attack left injuries that could be seen by her co-workers at Lexus of Toledo in Sylvania Township, General Manager Hal Whitmire said.

“She had bruises all over,” Mr. Whitmire said. “He beat the pulp out of her.” He said that among her co-workers, “there was a lot of anger.”

Perz was found guilty of charges under two judges in Toledo Municipal Court, receiving 60 days at the Corrections Center of Northwest Ohio from Judge Amy Berling and 180 days from Judge William Connelly, Jr., to be served concurrently.

Jenny Gerber cries during the candlelight vigil for her daughter Kaitlin Gerber at the Southland Shopping Center in Toledo, where Miss Gerber was murdered by an estranged former boyfriend. THE BLADE/LORI KING Enlarge | Buy This Photo
According to Jim Dennis, executive director of CCNO, which is near Stryker, Perz served 153 days behind bars, either at the Lucas County jail or at CCNO, and was given 27 days “early credit” — time off his sentence for participating in programs and working.

On Feb. 4, Miss Gerber filed a complaint with Sylvania Township police that Perz violated the no-contact order by mailing four letters to her and calling her at her job in December and January, while he was still at CCNO.

“The victim reported that letters and messages have always been written or left as love letters,” the police report stated. It also said that on Jan. 13, the victim sent a letter to Perz “expressing her displeasure and what she felt about his expressions and questions.”

The report said that Perz stopped sending letters and left his last phone message on Jan. 15.

The report said that Miss Gerber was working with the Toledo police and the prosecutor’s office where she was advised to file the report with Sylvania Township police. Also, CCNO was made aware of the violations and asked to monitor Perz’s phone calls.

Perz was transferred from CCNO on Feb. 6 to the Lucas County jail, where he stayed until his release on Feb. 27.

“It’s just a huge, huge tragedy, and we must do better,” said Lynn Jacquot, director of the battered women’s shelter at the YWCA of Northwest Ohio.

Assessment tools can help authorities identify behavior patterns to single out cases in which homicides may be more likely, Ms. Jacquot said.

Prosecutors, judges, law enforcement officers, advocates, medical providers, the Department of Job and Family Services, and “as many people who have contact with survivors as possible” should be involved when making decisions regarding an abuser, such as bond or a sentence, she said.

Tools such as protection orders must be enforced and violations taken seriously, she said.

“The community needs to demand better. This is a community issue. We know that there are some things that work,” Ms. Jacquot said.

Instead of placing the full obligation on the victim to reach out, others need to take action too. Friends of abusers, for example, need to call out bad behavior such as stalking, she said.

Kathy Griffin, the executive director of Bethany House shelter for domestic-violence victims and their children, urged victims to work with professionals to develop a plan for leaving dangerous relationships.

“I think we need to listen to victims. We need to let them know it’s not their fault. We need to make the public aware that there are places they can go. They don’t have to try and stay out there,” she said.

Several who knew Miss Gerber said she feared for her safety.

The Rev. Scott Weaver said she helped out at a local church’s children’s ministry, and when he founded Whispering Winds Church in Maumee she started attending there and sang with the praise team. But in the last month and a half he noticed the once-regular church-goer was no longer attending.

“She had to stop coming because she was being threatened by [Perz] and was afraid that she would be putting the church in danger,” he said. “She was fully aware of the danger, and that’s what makes the whole thing unbelievably sad. She contacted police, she followed through with police.”

Jim Shull, owner of Jim Shull’s Rib Cage restaurant in Maumee where Miss Gerber also worked, said the young woman was “totally different” and “more at ease” when Perz was locked up. He described Perz as a “smooth talker” with a jealous streak. “More than once she made a comment that he was going to kill her,” Mr. Shull said.

“It’s a very sad day here,” Mr. Whitmire said. “Everybody really loved Kaitlin. She was a great person, a great worker.” He said she was dealing with the domestic violence turmoil by participating in church and by developing a workout regimen with a friend at the fitness center near where she was killed.


http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2...iller.html

[Older Than Dirt]

My daughter was inside Planet Fitness when this happened. She is fine but I hate to think of what could have happened if Kaitlin had made it into the bldg. This is new from the Blade. It's a long article, but worth reading,IMO. If you read this, be sure to read the attachment of the letter that her mother wrote !

http://www.ourtownsylvania.com/Police-Fi...-down.html

[NightOwl]

Update to the Kaitlin Gerber story from the Toledo Blade.
Due to everything that has happened there is going to be an Inquiry.
Pictures of Kaitlin's parents are included in this article, apparently Kaitlin's mother is a Police Officer at the University of Toledo, she has written to the Toledo Blade, here is a copy of that letter:-


When Kaitlin and I went to Sylvania court on Feb 27^th - no one from the
Sylvania court had reached out to her to talk about the case before that day. She
kept wondering when someone would and when she would try to contact them,
she would only get a voicemail. We found out about the date of the trial online
and then a few days before the trial she received a subpoena. When we arrived
that day, the female prosecutor refused to allow me to come back with Kaitlin
and talk. When Kaitlin came out she told me that they weren't going to help her
and that they were letting him out that day. She told me that he was going to be
sentenced on a later date but she stated that the sentencing date would never
happen. Perz had sent her 20+ letters and it was the prosecutor's decision to
only file 4 charges. He had tried to kill Kaitlin in September and it was our
impression that Toledo Municipal Prosecutor's had effectively relayed to Sylvania
the threat that he posed. The telephone calls were never addressed by the courts.
Those charges could've been filed by Toledo, but the prosecutor who took the
case, Sharon Gaisch, wouldn't. She thought that the letters were better evidence.
Another Toledo prosecutor (Arturo) who had worked with us on the DV case
was wonderful and sat down with Kaitlin and I often. He told Kaitlin that this
man would never leave her alone and he wanted to try to keep him in jail as long
as he possibly could because he feared for her life. He was the one that we
wanted to have on the protection order case, however Gaisch was the one there
at the time we walked in and she took it. Arturo who had been in court, came in
and he made copies of the letters for us and he sat down with us yet again. I
believe if Arturo had taken the case, Perz would still be in jail.
In September when Toledo Police Detective Mary Jo Jaggers filed the kidnapping
charge against Perz, she told Kaitlin that if she offered Perz a misdemeanor Unlawful
Restraint that the court stuff would be over. Kaitlin is so nice that she just agreed
even though I objected. I tried to explain to her what continuing over to grand jury
could mean. But I don't think she understood it at the time. Afterwards she regretted
it and said that she didn't fully understand at the time it was offered. The
misdemeanor deal would mean no additional time. The DV sentence and the unlawful
restraint sentence by law would have to be served concurrently because they arose out
of the same incident, however kidnapping could mean 15 years and even if he wasn't
convicted, he would still serve the 6 mos for the DV. Perz initially declined the offer
but after consideration accepted it. The plea should never have been considered. I
believe that Jaggers was only relaying messages from the Common Pleas Prosecutor
when she brought us the plea offer. If the offer was never made, Kaitlin was prepared
to follow through in felony court to the end.
Jaggers also helped by calling in a favor on Feb 5^th to make sure that Perz was
detained a little longer at CCNO before being transported back to Toledo, she further
arranged for him to be arrested immediately when he got off the bus at LCJ.I also want to let you know that the car Perz was driving on Sunday belonged to his
mother not to Perz. She has made excuses for him from the beginning and during the
DV case she and her daughter were kicked out of the courtroom by the judge. They
had been contacting Kaitlin and delivering messages.
Kaitlin is a beautiful girl, amazing in every way and had an incredible love for those
around her. She was always compassionate and quick to forgive no matter what.
Kaitlin and I would often sing together while her dad played guitar and she was
looking forward to singing one of her favorite songs with us this coming week "This
Man" at First Baptist Church of Greater Toledo where she was baptized and a
member. She loved her family and friends so much, and we all loved her right back.
The candlelight vigil last night was evidence that she impacted a lot of lives.
Something that most of us only pray we can do over a lifetime. We know that she's
safe now in heaven in the loving arms of Jesus.
Sincerely
Jeni and Jeff Gerber
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FATAL SHOOTING BY EX-BOYFRIEND
Kaitlin Gerber's parents say legal system let victim down
She told mom authorities ‘weren’t going to help’

Read whole story here:- http://www.ourtownsylvania.com/Police-Fi...-down.html

[Older Than Dirt]

NightOwl, I can't believe that we did this again !!!! Well, you know what they say about great minds !

[NightOwl]

NightOwl, I can't believe that we did this again !!!! Well, you know what they say about great minds !

glad your daughter was safe!