The Jodi Arias Trial--Fatal Attraction – The Murder of Travis Alexander

[username]

Granted, I haven't been able to watch that much of it but I wish the prosecutor were a little more methodical in his questionning. Maybe he's just trying to move along or maybe it's because my viewing has been hit/miss but I'm having a hard time following his line of questionning.

[HairOfTheDog]

I wish there were not so many sidebars, but I am totally enjoying the cross examination by the prosecution. I love when the prosecutor corrects her answers with responses like " I didn't ask you that, it's a YES OR NO question!"

Not sure if I am the only that thinks this, but she is literally coming across as a liar. Especially when the broken (cut) finger issue was brought up in a timeline.

I was worried about him coming across too strong if any jurors had gained sympathy for her. Didn't want him to come across as a bully; thought it might backfire on the prosecution.

I disagree with the InSession talking heads and I'm not worried about that anymore; the way she's acting (defiant, assured) shows that she's no meek little wallflower, the image that she and Nurmi tried to sell us for 8 days. Plus, Martinez is busting her out lie for lie; I agree with you that she looks completely full of shit and is trying to divert by adding meaningless details (which Martinez is nipping in the bud).

Creepy imagining her peeping in on Travis and his friend through the back door. Psycho.

[Sphincter Cop]

I found a live stream of the trial coverage.

Better than Tru TV
Jodi Arias LIVE Trial Coverage

[HairOfTheDog]

How long does it take to get a straight answer out of Jodi when it doesn't support her story? Forever.

I think Martinez has proven that she never walked in on Travis masturbating to pictures of boys. Nothing in their communications that day is indicative of any such event having taken place. Her uncanny memory has of course gone into hibernation when confronted with evidence that refutes her pedo story.

[heartbreaker6713]

That magazine stuff is going to nail her to the wall. I went from laying down on the couch to sitting up, saying NO WAY, she can't be that stupid!!! I can't believe she wrote that into a magazine and tried to pass it, it's almost as bad as people not knowing the phone calls as recorded!

[username]

Martinez bounces around too damn much. He went from secret messages in a magazine, to the confrontation with Bianca to her going to a salon in Salinas (potentially changing her hair color) on her trip to visit Travis all within about an hour.

He never really confronted her about why she wrote in the magazines. He does a lot of implying but then doesn't go in for the final punch. I guess he's letting the jury draw their own conclusions or maybe he plans to come back to all this stuff later.

ETA: Regardless, she looks bad but I think Martinez could do better. He's a pitbull for sure.

[HairOfTheDog]

I see what you're saying, user, and agree. Martinez did jump around a lot today and he left a lot of loose ends.

I think that's intentional (hope so); he's throwing her off guard by exposing her lies and not giving her a chance to divert and concoct a new script or to bog him down trying to get straight answers about what really happened. She's not gonna tell the truth of her own accord so more important to simply expose lie by lie, for now.

Hopefully, he's laying foundation and will tie it all together in a narrative of what really (beyond a reasonable doubt) happened later.

I knew nothing about the magazine passing attempt; very incriminating and damaging to her credibility.

Today was a bad day for Jodi, imo. Major holes were poked in all of her stories: Travis being an abuser who broke her finger, Travis having pedophilic fantasies, her not being a jealous stalker, her not visiting her old boyfriend Matt before going to visit Travis, her being so strongly "encouraged" to talk to Inside Edition by a guard (whose name she could not remember today?), and possibly the timing of when she died her hair.

Imo, Jodi planned to surprise Travis (I don't think he invited her to visit) to try to get him to back out of taking the Cancun trip with the other girl and possibly take her instead. When he wouldn't, Jodi went to Plan B which was to kill him. Just my theory based on what we know so far.

[username]

I just think Martinez needs to give the jury a little more time to digest what he's presenting.

It will be very interesting when the jury is allowed to present their own questions.

[ramseycat]

This trial has gone on forever. The bitch is guilty. Put a needle in her arm and end it already.

[heartbreaker6713]

I agree he is jumping around to and I also agree that I think he is doing it on purpose and I think that he is doing this so that it highlights her lies, it makes it difficult for her to rapid think of her answers. it is extremely difficult for someone to be able to jump around and remember their lies than to go in chronological order. I am sure that he's going to tie these in. he does keep going back and touching on things as he talked about the sister and hair color several times. this is going to last several days if not just as long as the direct did, he has been WAITING to sink his teeth into her.

I'm having difficulty remembering, because I'm sick, but didn't the trial end yesterday on the magazines and no explanation was given about them or did he jump topic? i dont think its not going to be his job to ask why it's going to be her lawyer to ask why, I think. It is his job to make present the evidence and that was the magazines if he asks her why she passed them, then she makes up a lie. he's already connected that she tried to pass them to her attorney or someone working on her team and it goes with the timing of someone testifying (someone named Matt). She tries to explain everything and she has a reason for everything, I wouldn't want to ask her why.

I almost laughed when he used a calmer quieter voice nd Jodi couldn't hear him and he said oh you can't hear me? so he talked louder. and when Jodi still wasn't remembering things he said is it my tone? is it my volume? and she said no its length in time.

I was blown away she could remember her old cell phone number by rattling it off and two old addresses to the point. I can't remember my last address that I lived out from a year ago unless I really think about and certainly not older address without looking them up and I've moved often like she has, her addresses were from four years ago or longer. but she couldn't remember so simple details that she said on direct or travis's home phone number. you know with how obsessed she was she had that shit memorized.

[heartbreaker6713]

I also was thinking that in most cases it really seems a lot of things get leaked to the media or evidence is already known about. I definitely didn't know about the magazines either and I am trying to remember if it was known about the pictures and the tape but it's hard to remember because it's been the main discussion of the trial now. even though I enjoy being able to see evidence ahead of time and know certain things before the trial starts its been fun watching these bombshells drop.


thinking back to when Jodi described killing Travis on direct, I remembered saying you straight up killed him for those two statements and I don't remember exactly what they said verbatim something along the lines of calling her some kind of idiot and telling her that a 5 year old could hold a camera better than her. so because of those two statements she ran out of the bathroom, to the closet and by her own words chose not to run through the closet grabbed the gun instead, when Travis opened the door she ran past him and back into the bathroom and he supposedly chased her got low and tackled her and the gun went off. from what I know that make of gun, they don't just go off they take actual force to pull the trigger. doesn't that not make it self defense when you chose to not escape when that is an option but go for a weapon and then also go running back into the bathrooms and point it at him, not telling him to stop or saying anything at him. doesn't she become the aggressor at that point?

the ME says the range of shooting was intermient range and I believe that means 3-8 feet and if he tackled her when the gun went off as she stated when he went down low that wouldn't be 3-8 feet and as the ME stated there was no star shape on the skin and there was no gun stippling at the entrance wound. I think they need to also have another medical expert on the stand to talk about the gun shot wound and state how much movement Travis would be doing if he was shot there first even after the ME stated he believes he was shot there either 2^nd or 3^rd because there was no hemorrhaging. because the ME stated he'd be able to walk around and talk, move etc. but I don't think gave a time limit or definition of how long after.

[thekid65]

It will be very interesting when the jury is allowed to present their own questions.

At this point, I think they'll do a better job. I'm not impressed at all. I've been avoiding this thread all week, as I normally am just watching yesterdays testimony today. Honestly, I think she's doing quite well, however she is definitely coming off as a completely different person than she was on direct.

[Sphincter Cop]

The defense filed a motion with the Supreme Court of Arizona to cease the aggravating portion of this trial. Basically, requesting that the death penalty be void. It is being reported that the court rejected this request.

Death penalty still on table for Jodi Arias

Jodi Arias' life is still on the line despite her attorneys' efforts to get the death penalty thrown out.

The Supreme Court of Arizona denied Arias' appeal Friday asking for a stay of execution.

Arias is facing execution by lethal injection for killing her ex-boyfriend on June 4, 2008. He was shot in the head, stabbed multiple times, and his neck was slit from ear to ear. Arias says she killed Alexander in self-defense.

Defense attorney Kirk Nurmi filed his petition with the Supreme Court Friday, arguing Arias should not face execution, because the aggravating factor serving as the foundation for the death penalty is improper. The same petition was also filed with the Arizona Court of Appeals on January 28, and the appeals court denied it two days later.

In order for Arias to be put to death, prosecutors must prove the defendant committed the offense in an especially heinous or depraved manner. In Arias’ case, prosecutor Juan Martinez must prove Alexander suffered before he died.

The defense is arguing there is inclusive evidence that Alexander suffered, because he may have been shot first, dying shortly afterward. In their scenario, Alexander may not have suffered from the stab wounds that followed. This contradicts medical examiner Kevin Horn’s testimony that Alexander’s first injury was a stab wound to his heart. If Alexander was stabbed first, he may have been conscious and in pain for a few minutes before finally dying.

Arias’ attorneys attempted to support their argument by pointing out discrepancies in Mesa, Arizona, Det. Esteban Flores’ testimony. Flores testified earlier in the trial that he believed Alexander’s first injury was the stab wound to the heart. However, during a pre-trial hearing Flores testified that based on conversations with Horn he believed the gunshot was Alexander’s first wound.

[Duchess]

Honestly, I think she's doing quite well, however she is definitely coming off as a completely different person than she was on direct.

If you were a juror would you think her testimony is creating reasonable doubt? I'm just curious, I'm not as knowledgeable about this as you are.

[justme]

She sure is smirking and trying to hide her smile when she thinks that she got one over on Martinez. That can't look good. I hope that the jurors are paying close attention! I would love to smack that smile off of her face.

[username]

True! One observer referred to her as glib. Not good for her.

[Red_velvet71]

CONFIRMED : Matt McCartney was involved in the forged paedophile letters.

SHANNA HOGAN, author of Picture Perfect [via phone with Jane Velez-Mitchell]: Yes. That was one of the most shocking moments in court. We've known about this for a while. She communicated with her ex boyfriend, Matthew McCartney, through jail and he was involved in creating these letters that were later proven to be forgeries. And that was the only substantial evidence that was given to produce her -- to back up her statement.

So when he gave his first interview to the attorneys, he gave a very different story. And Jodi needed him back into the jail to talk about her version of events so he could come back and support her claim. So it was - - it was basically her soliciting false testimony from behind bars.


HLN/NancyGrace

[thekid65]

If you were a juror would you think her testimony is creating reasonable doubt? I'm just curious, I'm not as knowledgeable about this as you are.

As a juror, perhaps. This has been a long fucking trial, in particular, her time on the stand... with no flow due to a lot of breaks. This is where I, as a viewer, have an advantage on the jury, as I can listen to all the pundits talk about things that I may not have caught during the actual trial. It would be easy, as a juror, to not catch a lot of inconsistency in her testimony. This is where, so far, Martinez really hasnt made any valid points, in my opinion. But I know there's a long way to go. I'm really waiting for that "AHA" moment..and so far, I've been disappointed.

I believe the defense has a very good strategy in that aspect...putting SO much stuff out there...that it can easily all become 1 jumbled mess in a jurors mind.

I do believe, however, that she remembers damned near every fucking knife stroke that happened that day.

[Adub]

Honestly, I think she's doing quite well, however she is definitely coming off as a completely different person than she was on direct.

If you were a juror would you think her testimony is creating reasonable doubt? I'm just curious, I'm not as knowledgeable about this as you are.

Fuck what thekid thinks, he's still obsessing over that anus shot that was inadvertently released to the public. Ass up to the camera. thekid is getting off on this shit.

moo

[thekid65]

Actually, she's got a pretty ugly pussy. Flappy meat curtains dont do it for me.