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GRAPHIC PHOTO: AIRPORT KILLING - LAX
#21
(11-24-2013, 07:15 PM)ramseycat Wrote: Maybe the guy thought that if it were his family member he would want everything done to try and save them. It's a tough call.

Maybe, but I have seen a lot of these guys and have several family members that have years in Fire/Rescue/Paramedics. Lots of the same stories, there's guys out there on the job that see theirself as some guardian angel/Superhero. They do stupid shit sometimes.

Then again I have seen many cases where the victim was Done, and some Med Tech, Doc or Paramedic brought them back, no shit heros.
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#22
Update on this guy:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationw...8099.story

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A California man charged with opening fire at Los Angeles International Airport last month, killing a federal security screener and wounding three other people, was due in court on Wednesday as prosecutors seek to deny him bail.

Paul Anthony Ciancia, 23, was taken into custody following the November 1 attack at Terminal 3 of one of the world's busiest airports after police shot him four times, including in the face, wounding him critically.

He was charged in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles with killing a Transportation Security Administration officer and committing an act of violence at an international airport, but he had been prevented by his injuries from making an initial court appearance in the days following his arrest.

Ciancia was not expected to enter a plea during his arraignment at a jail in Rancho Cucamonga, California, about 60 miles east of Los Angeles.

During the hearing, a federal magistrate judge will formally advise Ciancia of the charges against him, set future court dates and take up the issue of whether he can be released on bond, said Thom Mrozek, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Los Angeles.

Ciancia was handed over to U.S. marshals last month after receiving treatment in a hospital.

On Tuesday, federal prosecutors filed court papers asking that Ciancia be jailed until trial because he represented a flight risk and danger to the community.

Ciancia is accused of walking into Terminal 3, removing an assault-style rifle from a bag and opening fire on an unarmed TSA agent standing at the entrance to security checkpoint.

Authorities say he then went past metal detectors through the checkpoint and into the airplane-boarding area, shooting and wounding two other TSA employees and a traveler before he was critically wounded in a gunfight with airport police.

The shooting sparked a debate over the safety of unarmed screeners at U.S. airports and the efficacy of allowing passengers and members of the public to freely roam ticketing areas and other parts of terminals beyond secure zones where they must be screened.

The officer killed in the rampage, 39-year-old Gerardo Hernandez, became the first TSA employee slain in the line of duty since the agency was created in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001, attacks.
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#23
(12-04-2013, 10:43 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: Update on this guy:
Authorities say he then went past metal detectors through the checkpoint and into the airplane-boarding area, shooting and wounding two other TSA employees and a traveler before he was critically wounded in a gunfight with airport police.

Thanks for the update, Six. ^ That's discouraging.

LAX is huge. Looks like the asshole made it pretty far past initial screening before he was taken down.

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ALLEGED SHOOTER PLEADS "NOT GUILTY"
So, I guess the suspect is recovering okay from his gunshot wounds. Yesterday, he pleaded "not guilty" at a brief appearance before a federal magistrate at a Southern California detention center in Rancho Cucamonga.

The 23-year-old was indicted on first-degree murder and 10 other counts in the Nov. 1 shooting that killed Transportation Security Administration Officer Gerardo Hernandez.

Trial was set for Feb. 11 in a downtown Los Angeles federal court.
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#24
WTF is the point in pleading Not Guilty in a case like this?
The asshole gets shot in front of a couple hundred witnesses, video footage, finger prints on the weapon, weapon traces to his source, all that...
Never have understood the point of saying " I didn't do it"
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#25
(12-27-2013, 10:23 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: WTF is the point in pleading Not Guilty in a case like this?
The asshole gets shot in front of a couple hundred witnesses, video footage, finger prints on the weapon, weapon traces to his source, all that...
Never have understood the point of saying " I didn't do it"

It doesn't make much sense on the surface, that's true. But, from a legal perspective, it does.

If Ciancia had pleaded "guilty" right off the bat, I'd imagine that prosecutors would have taken death off the table, but would have insisted on life without parole.

Since he instead initially pleaded "not guilty", it gives his attorneys time to attempt negotiating a lighter sentence in exchange for a "guilty" plea. Or, just as likely, they will be trying to develop some defense strategy which minimizes their client's own responsibility - for example, they might go for insanity (like James Holmes is attempting) and try to get him incarcerated in a mental facility instead of federal prison.

I don't think this case will be tried in February 2014, as currently scheduled. The defense will file motions (which will delay the trial) and the judge will need to review and consider some of them to avoid appellate issues down the line. JMO.
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#26
Yea they will probably drag this thing out until they get their book or movie deal.
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#27
Ahh Shit...

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/lax-gu...icers-away


New details have emerged about the whereabouts of two officers assigned to a Los Angeles International Airport terminal during a deadly shooting last fall.

LOS ANGELES — Minutes before a gunman opened fire in a Los Angeles International Airport terminal last fall, killing a security screener and wounding three other people, the two armed officers assigned to the area left for breaks without informing a dispatcher as required.

The Los Angeles Airport Police Department officers were outside Terminal 3 when authorities say Paul Ciancia opened fire with an assault rifle in an attack targeting Transportation Security Administration officers, two law enforcement officials told The Associated Press. The officials requested anonymity, saying they were briefed on the shooting but were not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation.

As terrified travelers dived for cover, TSA officers — who are unarmed — fled the screening area without hitting a panic button or using a landline to call for help. It took a call from an airline contractor to a police dispatcher, who then alerted officers over the radio — a lag of nearly a minute and a half, the officials said.

Before officers could get to the scene, Ciancia fatally wounded TSA Officer Gerardo Hernandez and then headed to the screening area where he shot two more agents and a traveler, authorities said. Ciancia was subdued after being wounded by officers in the gate area of the terminal.

When the shooting started, the two officials say one of the armed officers assigned to the terminal was at or just outside an adjacent terminal. One of the officials said the officer was on a bathroom break and the other foot-beat officer was in a vehicle on the tarmac outside Terminal 3, headed for a meal break.

The new details about the whereabouts of the two officers come as authorities review the overall response, including whether emergency medical personnel were forced to wait longer than necessary to remove Hernandez so he could be taken to a hospital. The AP earlier reported that Hernandez did not receive medical care until 33 minutes after he was shot. A coroner's release said he was likely dead within two to five minutes.

Departmental procedures require that officers notify a dispatcher before going on break and leaving their patrol area in order to ensure supervisors are aware of their absence and, if necessary, a relief unit can be brought in to cover their area.

Airport police union chief Marshall McClain said the two officers assigned to Terminal 3 still were in position to quickly respond to the shooting. He said he'd spoken with both and confirmed one was "going to the restroom or coming back from the restroom" and the other was headed out on a meal break but still within his patrol area.

"He hadn't gone on break yet. He was going to go on break," McClain said. What typically happens is, "if you're going to go on a lunch break, you get to your location and you tell them that you're there." Officers often do this in order to maximize their lunch break so they don't lose time while traveling.

Within a minute of the dispatcher's call, that officer had stopped someone who ran out of the terminal and the other officer was heading toward the shooting, McClain said.

Mayor Eric Garcetti told the AP in an interview that he's watched surveillance video and received briefings on the investigation. While officers were able to take Ciancia into custody within five minutes of the shooting, he said, "It could have been a lot worse."

Whatever the investigation's conclusions, Garcetti said, "I want to make sure that in any terminal, there's always somebody there, that a bathroom break doesn't result in somebody, even for a few minutes, being out of the action."

According to investigators, Ciancia, originally from Pennsville, N.J., arrived at the airport on Nov. 1 with the intention of killing TSA workers. Authorities have said Ciancia had a grudge against the agency, but they have not indicated what prompted it.

After entering the terminal, police say Ciancia pulled a semi-automatic rifle from a duffel bag and began spraying the area with gunfire. Hernandez was mortally wounded and became the first TSA agent to die in the line of duty.

The dispatcher's alert over police radio brought an officer on a Segway, another on a bike, one on a motorcycle, two in a patrol car and one on foot, said one of the law enforcement officials. Two of the first responding officers shot Ciancia, who survived and now faces murder and other charges.

Airport Police Chief Pat Gannon lauded his officers for what he called a swift and brave response to a gunman. He said he was "comfortable with what the officers were doing at the time that the shooting occurred and their ability to respond to the incident."

"It's not about who was or was not there and how that all occurred," Gannon said. "Those officers responsible for that terminal were there as quick as anybody else was to deal with those particular issues. They were not goofing off."

Airports are allowed to make their own security plans for armed officers, as long as they follow basic guidelines and get their plans approved by the TSA. An updated policy at LAX was outlined last April in an internal memo that was obtained by AP and verified by one of the officials.

Officers assigned to the terminals must inform supervisors when they want to take a break. "Absent exigent circumstances, [the units] shall not leave the assigned terminal area without prior authorization and a relief unit," the memo stated.

In an important change, officers no longer were required to remain at a podium by the screening area. In an effort to make security plans less predictable, they are allowed to roam the terminal provided they can respond to an emergency at the screening station within three minutes.

TSA Officer Victor Payes, who works at the airport and is president of the local union, said removing the officers from the podiums at the screening stations has been unnerving for screeners.

"They're not there, and you're saying to yourself, 'Oh, hopefully nothing happens right now,'" Payes said.

TSA Administrator John Pistole testified before lawmakers two weeks after the shooting and said his agency was conducting its own review. As part of it, they are looking at "how do we ramp up the unpredictable random patrols by armed officers — at and through checkpoints — that may now be doing other things."

He said the agency was also examining, as part of its review, whether there should be a radio system that puts security screeners and airport police on the same channel.

Erroll Southers, a former FBI agent who was chief of homeland security and intelligence at LAX from 2007 to 2010, said the combination of the officers being away and the policy change gave Ciancia the soft target he wanted. Had officers still been stationed at the screening area, "that arguably would have put them in a position to know about the incident and respond to it in a much more reduced time span," he said.
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#28
It doesn't sound like the officers were far from their posts, but seems impossible to tell what impact that minute or more delay may have had.

Stupid, to me, that officers (at least according to the quoted rep) don't report that they're leaving for a meal break until they reach their destinations.

It doesn't appear that Ciancia strategically staked out the airport screening area over the course of time. Did he just get lucky in arriving exactly when both officers were away from their posts? Makes me wonder how easy it would be for a skilled terrorist team/group to really scope out the scene day after day, and then be able to detain the officers away from their posts and charge in with enough time to get full on ballistic.

Officers no longer at the screening area, security posts vacated without notice, and we're all still getting half undressed and carrying under 4 oz toiletry bottles to pass through the scanners. Doesn't make a lot of sense, to me.

I'm not a fearful person and think it sucks that tight security is needed, but that's the world today. If we're gonna do it on paper, we should do it in practice.

Maybe these reviews will result in some re-tightening of processes and improved security. Hopefully.
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