The Supreme Court & Marriage

[crash]

No Cracker, religion isn't all I'd nothing. God gave us the gift of choice and a mind to think about those choices. There is quite a bit about the Catholuc religion that I don't agree with. That has nothing to do with my belief in God or my faith. I don't expect you to understand.

You're having a stroke . . . dial 911 and mumble while the phone slips from your hand.

" . . . all I'd nothing."

"Catholuc"

[Cracker]

Disability runs out of money in 2016. I hope they can trim the fat and get alchy's and fakers off it so the really disabled can still get something.

The fatties are the ones that piss me off. Why should we all pay because you ate yourself into illness? That is just wrong. Same with druggies and drunks who pickled their own brains. Most new disability claims are for fatties and crazies and phantom back pain pill poppers.

[Cracker]

Whatever Cracker. You know everything.

Tiki, get over it already.

Most people know more about everything than you do. You have a sixth grade education. Your parents wasted money on your college, you didn't seem to retain anything.

Go ask your priest if you can make your own Catholic rules. He probably already noticed you are an idiot and he will be nicer while explaining it to you.

[BlueTiki]

Tiki, get over it already.

God works in mysterious ways and through others.

You're welcome . . . Roman.

PS - Love the role of women within your church!

[ramseycat]

Tiki, get over it already.

God works in mysterious ways and through others.

You're welcome . . . Roman.

PS - Love the role of women within your church!

Funny you mention that. I was talking to one of the sisters at the nursing home and she thinks women should have a more important role in the church. Apparently, a lot of the younger sisters feel that way. We had a very interesting discussion about it.

[Maggot]

[BlueTiki]

I was talking to one of the sisters at the nursing home and she thinks women should have a more important role in the church. Apparently, a lot of the younger sisters feel that way.

Maybe women should start a movement to demand equality under the law? You know . . . like the right to marry.

Yeah . . . that's the ticket.

Then the movement can progress to different classes of inequity.

But first . . . let's marry gays in the church . . . and let the women clean up after the ceremony.

The dirty work, patience and birthing males for priests = good Catholic woman.

Yes.

Seek and ye shall find a double-entendre.

[HairOfTheDog]

I'd like to see same-sex couples be able to marry universally, like any other couples. But, even if the appeal of the ruling that declared portions of DOMA unconstitutional is overturned, it doesn't mean that same-sex marriage will become legal/recognized across the land.

I don't think this pending decision by the Supreme Court is as broadly applied as is being presented by some in the media.

AFAIK, if the Supreme Court Judges confirm the original ruling that DOMA provisions are unconstitutional, it doesn't change the fact that the individual states decide whether or not to recognize same-sex marriage. It just lends credence to the argument that the federal government never had the authority to pass the DOMA provisions in the first place, imo.

Still, while it won't make same-sex marriage rights a guarantee throughout the US, this is an important decision with major social impact.

Hoping the Supreme Court overturns the appellate ruling and those same-sex couples who are already legally married will then be legally entitled to the same federal benefits and tax breaks as other married couples. One big step forward and possibly a gateway; perhaps a catalyst for movement in states that are leaning towards same-sex marriage recognition and equality. It's past time, imo.

[username]

HotD, I haven't had enough coffee to think this through this morning but what about the ramifications if the Supreme Court let's the lower court ruling stand that prop 8 is unconstitutional? Huh?





Off to get more coffee...

[Jimbone]

HotD, I haven't had enough coffee to think this through this morning but what about the ramifications if the Supreme Court let's the lower court ruling stand that prop 8 is unconstitutional? Huh?

If the SCOTUS let's the ruling stand, then the ninth circuit ruling that ordered homosexuals be interned indefinitely will move ahead.

[HairOfTheDog]

HotD, I haven't had enough coffee to think this through this morning but what about the ramifications if the Supreme Court let's the lower court ruling stand that prop 8 is unconstitutional? Huh?

I wish I had an answer.

It depends on the rationale behind the DOMA decision and whether the Justices conclude that DOMA is unconstitutional on the federal level because the issue is and always has been one for the states (that could work in favor of Prop 8 supporters), or if they instead rule that DOMA's unconstitutional because prohibiting same-sex marriage essentially amounts to an act of discrimination or civil rights violation (that could work against supporters of Prop 8).

If the Justices rule that DOMA is in fact constitutional (I'll be surprised), I think that Prop 8 will be upheld and its supporters will celebrate.

It's a complex issue legally and I don't have any in-depth insight. These are just my opinions based on what I understand. Someone else might have better legal perspective.

[Duchess]

Do these people wanting to marry bother any of you? Do you feel like it threatens the sanctity of your marriage?

[Midwest Spy]

HotD, I haven't had enough coffee to think this through this morning but what about the ramifications if the Supreme Court let's the lower court ruling stand that prop 8 is unconstitutional? Huh?

If the SCROTUM of the Court's most senior member droops awkwardly to the left, then the ninth circuit will have no choice but to allow gays to perform reacharounds in public settings.

That is some serious inside info.

[BlueTiki]

Do these people wanting to marry bother any of you? Do you feel like it threatens the sanctity of your marriage?

Nope.

For years, I have assisted clients to obtain the same financial benefits afforded to married couples.

True be told . . . I haven't a problem with plural marriages.

I have a problem with organized religion abandoning their precepts and performing same sex marriage as a sacrament. Tax exempt whores pandering to the LGBT community.

The whole "husband/wife" thing, too. It's crass.

So much for the whole romance language masculine/feminine tradition.

[QueenBee]

Do these people wanting to marry bother any of you? Do you feel like it threatens the sanctity of your marriage?

Not me. I am going with the old standard line of "Some of my closest friends are gay".
As I mentioned in my OP, if they are going to ban gays from marrying because they cannot procreate, then they also need to ban the marriages of heterosexuals who:
*Marry after child bearing years are over
*who are infertile
*who simply do not want to have children.

Face it folks, Adam & Steve as well as Judy and Eve are here to stay. Deal with it and do not get your panties in a bunch over it.

[Maggot]

I am religiously opposed to no sex marriage. Its just wrong.

[HairOfTheDog]

I am religiously opposed to no sex marriage. Its just wrong.

No-sex marriage oughtta be banned. It's unholy.

Makes sense that married folks would be much more amenable to some-sex marriage.

Happy Good Friday...

[Duchess]

This is what happens when gay partners are not recognized as family -

A gay man was arrested this week at a Missouri hospital after refusing to the leave bedside of his sick partner.

Roger Gorley went to Research Medical Center in Kansas City, Mo., on Tuesday to visit Allen, his partner of five years. But when he got there, a member of Allen's family asked him to leave, according to Kansas City Fox station WDAF. When Gorley refused, hospital security allegedly handcuffed him and forcefully removed him from the premises. Now he cannot visit Allen at all because of a restraining order filed against him.

“I was not recognized as being the husband, I wasn’t recognized as being the partner,” Gorley told WDAF, adding that the nurse on duty refused to verify their joint Power of Attorney status. “She didn’t even bother to go look it up to check into it.

[ramseycat]

That is just so wrong.

[Duchess]

It happens all the time.