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Since those Next Door fuckers banned me I’m going to make up another profile and put the Palestinian emblem on my profile picture.
Yeah, baby!

Pop on some reggae and sing along with Desmond Decker, too!

Palestinians and Rastas . . . both second class citizens.
(10-26-2023, 09:32 AM)sally Wrote: [ -> ]Since those Next Door fuckers banned me I’m going to make up another profile and put the Palestinian emblem on my profile picture.

Just delete your account/app. I joined Next Door to try and be more social, but those fuckers whine and complain about every little thing. Don't let them suck the joy from your life.
What do your Jewish clients think about this, Tiki?
So I'm reading about Israel/Palestine and an Israeli woman refers to a man as the leader of Hamas and then ends her comments by referring to him as a Palestinian leader. That just rubbed me the wrong way and I asked which one is he, he's one or the other, which one is it? I'll probably find myself in the same position as Sally. 
Hamas are the Palestinian leaders, the people elected them. That’s what happens when people are oppressed. A militant group can easily take over in the name of resistance. That doesn’t mean, however, that all Palestinians are for murdering innocent people and children.
Hamas took over Fatah.
(10-26-2023, 03:57 PM)rothschild Wrote: [ -> ]What do your Jewish clients think about this, Tiki?

Just the Jewish clients?  Because they happen to be Jewish, are you suggesting they automatically embrace Zionism in any of its forms?

Honestly, I don't know.  I'm still in Yuma.  However . . . I do know two things prior to the Hamas attack, on October 7, from light conversations about regional politics:

1.)  The inevitable use of the Samson Option will occur if Israel is faced with defeat or stripped of its territory or statehood.

2.)  One of my clients is a grand-nephew of a Zionist immigrant, to Israel, via the Havaara Agreement (I believe it was 1934 or 1935 when he left Germany . . . I'm relying on memory).  This has divided his family as to his ancestor being either a well intentioned Zionist (who would later help fellow Jews escape from Europe), a selfish, self-serving opportunist or a flat out Nazi collaborator.

I'm sure you are familiar with both of the above, as you are both interested and immerse yourself in geo-political readings.

I know you believe the Zionists are colonialists.  I do not.

I know you believe the Canaanites were an indigenous people.  I do not.

And although they supposedly embrace the Sunni interpretation of Islam, Hamas embraces the ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood and the concept that Islam is the answer to both social and political problems.  And the Jews are a problem that need be completely exterminated. 

Final Solution 2.0.
(11-01-2023, 09:37 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-26-2023, 03:57 PM)rothschild Wrote: [ -> ]What do your Jewish clients think about this, Tiki?

Just the Jewish clients?  Because they happen to be Jewish, are you suggesting they automatically embrace Zionism in any of its forms?

Honestly, I don't know.  I'm still in Yuma.  However . . . I do know two things prior to the Hamas attack, on October 7, from light conversations about regional politics:

1.)  The inevitable use of the Samson Option will occur if Israel is faced with defeat or stripped of its territory or statehood.

2.)  One of my clients is a grand-nephew of a Zionist immigrant, to Israel, via the Havaara Agreement (I believe it was 1934 or 1935 when he left Germany . . . I'm relying on memory).  This has divided his family as to his ancestor being either a well intentioned Zionist (who would later help fellow Jews escape from Europe), a selfish, self-serving opportunist or a flat out Nazi collaborator.

I'm sure you are familiar with both of the above, as you are both interested and immerse yourself in geo-political readings.

I know you believe the Zionists are colonialists.  I do not.

I know you believe the Canaanites were an indigenous people.  I do not.

And although they supposedly embrace the Sunni interpretation of Islam, Hamas embraces the ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood and the concept that Islam is the answer to both social and political problems.  And the Jews are a problem that need be completely exterminated. 

Final Solution 2.0.

My understanding is that most of the German Jews transferred to Palestine did not do so willingly. Their property and assets were seized, a portion of which was given to the Zionists in the form of German goods that were sold in Palestine to pay the 5,000 pound entrance fee. This was a formal agreement between the Nazi government and the Jewish Agency in Palestine, headed by Israel's first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, and was of great benefit to the Nazi economy, which was being boycotted by Jews around the world. It took effect well before the start of WWII, a point at which German Jews did not require "rescuing"; Zionism, on the other hand, very much needed colonists to build what would become the Jewish State of Israel. If that isn't collaboration then nothing is.

As previously stated, European Jews are not the descendants of the biblical Jews. Their genetic commonality with them is indistinguishable from non-Jewish Europeans, making them colonists seizing land they had no ancestral claim to. There were Semitic Jews in Palestine at that time, who would have been indistinguishable in appearance from the felahin and other inhabitants.

If the Canaanites and Israelites were not indigenous to that region, what does the term "indiginous" mean?

As for "Final Solution 2.0", hardcore Zionists feel the same way about the Pals, and that is no secret. The extremists on both sides constitute powerful minorities, by whom the majority of people are held hostage. Israel gave funding to Hamas because it did not want to reach a permanent agreement with the PLO. This disaster could and should have been settled decades ago on the basis of the UN Charter. Israel has consistently been shielded from international law by virtue of the US veto in the Security Council, completely undercutting it's stated purpose for existence, which is the maintenance of international peace and security.

The main sticking points are the fair allocation of water, the question of whether to adopt a one or two-state agreement, and reparations for crimes against humanity. The extremists on both sides, in my estimation, need to be removed from the equation by whatever means are necessary for the restoration of international peace and security on the basis of the UN Charter -- the articles of which are very clear.

If that is an impossibility, so is the prospect of international peace and security -- which in my opinion means the UN is a failed experiment, leading to a very obvious question: why?
I just watched some video of first responders arriving at the music festival where so many were killed on October 7th. It warned me, it said WARNING DISTURBING and I watched anyway. Jesus Christ.
I'm not antisemitic at all, but some people continue to equate criticism of Israel with being a Jew hater. That's just dumb. Please stop.
It's impossible to morally defend Israel without lying. Might makes right, sure, but Israel is morally reprehensible.
My husband and kids have Jew blood running through them, but we don’t support the Israel government. We stand with Palestine.
The only safe place for you to say that outside your home is in Mock.
That’s such bullshit and it’s not even really that I stand with Palestine, I just don’t agree with kicking people out of their homes and imprisoning them to little strips of land. How the fuck would they expect the Palestinians to react to that.
Some of the people I see blaming Palestinians are justifying it by saying they, Palestinians, tolerate Hamas, if they didn't want Hamas there, they would get rid of them. Not that I know much of anything about all of that, but I don't think you just ask barbarians to leave and they leave.
All of the justifications for what Israel is doing, and has done, are lies. Propaganda that works because most people don't know the unadulterated history going back to when Jewish paramilitary groups began attacking the British for not completely disregarding the rights of the non-Jews.

I stand for a fair and equitable settlement based on the UN charter. Most of the Pals and many of the Jews support that. It's what's right, and that's all that matters in my book.
Roger Waters interviewed by Abby Martin.


Israel has some ridiculously dumb PR people. I saw a headline saying SEE THE PLEA IN THEIR EYES when referring to the kidnapped kids and they proceeded to show pix of happy kids! Kids blowing bubbles, kids playing, kids smiling big at the camera, etc. WTF!
(11-19-2023, 07:03 AM)Duchess Wrote: [ -> ]Israel has some ridiculously dumb PR people. I saw a headline saying SEE THE PLEA IN THEIR EYES when referring to the kidnapped kids and they proceeded to show pix of happy kids! Kids blowing bubbles, kids playing, kids smiling big at the camera, etc. WTF!

It's whoever did the layout, and I doubt they'll be getting a Christmas bonus this year. hah
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