(02-06-2011, 11:41 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: welcome to ALL the new people! wow! :O
i'm glad to meet each of you and thanks~~

Pinky, when i said "there" i meant the crime blog you had cited.

very interesting, and thanks for the record on the mom.

to send me anything (someone asked) my email is [email protected]. put 'mock' in the subject line, or your username.

this case is quite convoluted, i cannot wait to see WHO is ultimately arrested!

you will be waiting a very long time. it's my opinion that you'll never have that satisfaction, actually.

-pink

i disagree. i think the DNA will tell the story and hang them.

also, since Ohio is not afraid to use the death penalty there will be plea bargains and people tripping over themselves to turn state's evidence.

(02-06-2011, 10:17 AM)IMaDick Wrote:

(02-06-2011, 09:36 AM)browntabby1226 Wrote: Just wondering could timers on the lights or sleep setting on tv could have been used to throw people off going to the house to a problem.

Anything is possible, I personally do not give the perps of this crime much credit for intelligence.

It was by all accounts with the available info that is available thus far a sloppy unplanned poorly executed crime.

It's really simple to tell that someone in the inner circle of people knows who done this.

Dick and i agree on something??

it's the cop mindset.

(02-06-2011, 11:47 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: i disagree. i think the DNA will tell the story and hang them.

also, since Ohio is not afraid to use the death penalty there will be plea bargains and people tripping over themselves to turn state's evidence.

dna evidence only helps if you have a suspect to compare it to, or a suspect in the database.

neither of which i believe is the case here.

see previous theory, whoever did this is likely sipping drinks on a beach in a foreign country for a couple months until this case is as dead and buried as johnny and lisa.

-pink

(02-06-2011, 12:00 PM)pinkyfloyd Wrote: see previous theory, whoever did this is likely sipping drinks on a beach in a foreign country for a couple months until this case is as dead and buried as johnny and lisa.

-pink

I think you're wrong & I'm delighted to tell you so.

(02-06-2011, 12:17 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-06-2011, 12:00 PM)pinkyfloyd Wrote: see previous theory, whoever did this is likely sipping drinks on a beach in a foreign country for a couple months until this case is as dead and buried as johnny and lisa.

-pink

I think you're wrong & I'm delighted to tell you so.

what do i get when i win this bet?

-pink

(02-06-2011, 12:19 PM)pinkyfloyd Wrote: what do i get when i win this bet?

A gold star...dead center of your forehead.

(02-06-2011, 12:21 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-06-2011, 12:19 PM)pinkyfloyd Wrote: what do i get when i win this bet?

A gold star...dead center of your forehead.

that doesn't sound very enticing.

-pink

(02-06-2011, 11:13 AM)curiouscat Wrote:

(02-05-2011, 11:48 PM)RarePenguin Wrote: So they were quite possibly surprised by someone at the garage/kitchen door .. I cannot understand why there were not any signs of a struggle.. I would be getting loud and crazy .. dna under my fingernails... throwing something thru the window..making alot of noise to attract attention... especially if all they had was plastic bags and duct tape. and muscles.. I wonder if there was a stun gun involved..It seems as if they must have been overpowered very quickly. Unless there were more then 2 attackers. I would still fight tooth and nail... but that's just me.

I have heard from a reputable source that there was lots of DNA found under Lisa's nails, and there was all indication of a very, violent struggle. Should they identify a suspect, they have plenty of DNA to nail them with.

Someone is walking around with scratch marks, on their face, arms, neck, etc..

(02-06-2011, 12:37 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-06-2011, 11:13 AM)curiouscat Wrote:

(02-05-2011, 11:48 PM)RarePenguin Wrote: So they were quite possibly surprised by someone at the garage/kitchen door .. I cannot understand why there were not any signs of a struggle.. I would be getting loud and crazy .. dna under my fingernails... throwing something thru the window..making alot of noise to attract attention... especially if all they had was plastic bags and duct tape. and muscles.. I wonder if there was a stun gun involved..It seems as if they must have been overpowered very quickly. Unless there were more then 2 attackers. I would still fight tooth and nail... but that's just me.

I have heard from a reputable source that there was lots of DNA found under Lisa's nails, and there was all indication of a very, violent struggle. Should they identify a suspect, they have plenty of DNA to nail them with.

Someone is walking around with scratch marks, on their face, arms, neck, etc..

that might just be true if you're 100% willing to believe conjecture and rumours.

official word is there may have been some items knocked over, indicating a possible small struggle, and that there were no apparent markings on the bodies apart from the neck area.

"reputable source" - funny.

nobody is in custody, nobody has been labeled a person of interest. two brutal murders in a heavily populated area, yet the police have no suspects, nobody in custody, no artist's rendering of a suspect, and nobody in the area seems particularly fearful for their own lives.

johnny and lisa got killed because of what they were mixed up in. the only people that have anything to worry is others who are mixed up in the same big ball of shit, and those people went to bed every night worrying long before this unfortunate crime.

-pink

good find, Shitstorm! Did you also notice how many times the mother mentions herself, in the 911 call too? I thought that was odd. It's almost as if she's 'setting the stage' for donations, & whatnot. Very lengthy rap sheet too, & I don't see them as just a few run-ins. Breaking & entering, bad checks, drugs, resisting arrest, domestic viol, concealed weapons, & menacing. Damn!

(02-06-2011, 12:37 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-06-2011, 11:13 AM)curiouscat Wrote:

(02-05-2011, 11:48 PM)RarePenguin Wrote: So they were quite possibly surprised by someone at the garage/kitchen door .. I cannot understand why there were not any signs of a struggle.. I would be getting loud and crazy .. dna under my fingernails... throwing something thru the window..making alot of noise to attract attention... especially if all they had was plastic bags and duct tape. and muscles.. I wonder if there was a stun gun involved..It seems as if they must have been overpowered very quickly. Unless there were more then 2 attackers. I would still fight tooth and nail... but that's just me.

I have heard from a reputable source that there was lots of DNA found under Lisa's nails, and there was all indication of a very, violent struggle. Should they identify a suspect, they have plenty of DNA to nail them with.

Someone is walking around with scratch marks, on their face, arms, neck, etc..

oh and in addition, if there was plenty of dna found under lisa's nails, it could have easily have been 100% johnny's.

-pink

Pinky: yet the police have no suspects


i wouldn't bet on that.

(02-06-2011, 12:51 PM)pinkyfloyd Wrote:

(02-06-2011, 12:37 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-06-2011, 11:13 AM)curiouscat Wrote:

(02-05-2011, 11:48 PM)RarePenguin Wrote: So they were quite possibly surprised by someone at the garage/kitchen door .. I cannot understand why there were not any signs of a struggle.. I would be getting loud and crazy .. dna under my fingernails... throwing something thru the window..making alot of noise to attract attention... especially if all they had was plastic bags and duct tape. and muscles.. I wonder if there was a stun gun involved..It seems as if they must have been overpowered very quickly. Unless there were more then 2 attackers. I would still fight tooth and nail... but that's just me.

I have heard from a reputable source that there was lots of DNA found under Lisa's nails, and there was all indication of a very, violent struggle. Should they identify a suspect, they have plenty of DNA to nail them with.

Someone is walking around with scratch marks, on their face, arms, neck, etc..

oh and in addition, if there was plenty of dna found under lisa's nails, it could have easily have been 100% johnny's.

-pink

"official word" doesn't mean a whole lot to me, when it's common knowlege LE will keep a tight lid on some things, that only the killer/killers would know. I hope it's true, & there really is plenty of DNA under Lisa's nails.

(02-06-2011, 12:55 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Pinky: yet the police have no suspects


i wouldn't bet on that.

I'm not betting on that...i have a peculiar way to only base my conjecture on officially released information. i myself have suspects, see previous. having a suspect doesn't necessarily put you any closer to finding the killers.

if the suspects were in the "inner circle" then there would have been arrests already.

-pink

(02-06-2011, 12:55 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-06-2011, 12:51 PM)pinkyfloyd Wrote:

(02-06-2011, 12:37 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-06-2011, 11:13 AM)curiouscat Wrote:

(02-05-2011, 11:48 PM)RarePenguin Wrote: So they were quite possibly surprised by someone at the garage/kitchen door .. I cannot understand why there were not any signs of a struggle.. I would be getting loud and crazy .. dna under my fingernails... throwing something thru the window..making alot of noise to attract attention... especially if all they had was plastic bags and duct tape. and muscles.. I wonder if there was a stun gun involved..It seems as if they must have been overpowered very quickly. Unless there were more then 2 attackers. I would still fight tooth and nail... but that's just me.

I have heard from a reputable source that there was lots of DNA found under Lisa's nails, and there was all indication of a very, violent struggle. Should they identify a suspect, they have plenty of DNA to nail them with.

Someone is walking around with scratch marks, on their face, arms, neck, etc..

oh and in addition, if there was plenty of dna found under lisa's nails, it could have easily have been 100% johnny's.

-pink

"official word" doesn't mean a whole lot to me, when it's common knowlege LE will keep a tight lid on some things, that only the killer/killers would know. I hope it's true, & there really is plenty of DNA under Lisa's nails.

sure they might keep a tight lid on some small details of a crime, however there's been nothing released since the initial stuff.

you all are going to be very disappointed about this one. luckily for you though, the disappointment will not hit all at once, it will slowly be built up in inverse proportion to how many times you post here about this crime and recycle old information.

there's no new evidence to be gathered, and nobody's going to ever be caught. sad as that sounds, you can count on it. this case is already a week old, and nobody in toledo can keep any sort of a secret, big or small. i grew up there, it's one of the most transparent cities in the country.

and, as I have mentioned before, there are also some big reasons why the area citizens aren't all up in arms about this one. most of the people in the area don't view johnny and lisa as two who will be particularly missed, and the people in the area also feel that the only people who might really miss them, wouldn't be missed either if they were to suffer the same fate. there's likely to be a certain amount of thankfulness actually, for the elimination of what many would feel were a couple of bad seeds.

i speak the truth even when it's uncomfortable to read it.

-pink

(02-06-2011, 11:18 AM)Paul Eaze Wrote: Listening to the full 911 recordings, Mom says something very curious to me around the 6 or 7 minute mark; she says something to the effect that she wants the police to go out to the house to find out who "abducted" her son and "robbed him". At the point in time she says this, how would she have any idea what exactly happened to her son?

I don't know if Mom's involved, or not, but she clearly is a whack-job, & knew what all her son was involved in, therefore panicking over him maybe being robbed? She's a theif, he's a thief, so it's something she automatically thought about?

(02-06-2011, 01:11 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-06-2011, 11:18 AM)Paul Eaze Wrote: Listening to the full 911 recordings, Mom says something very curious to me around the 6 or 7 minute mark; she says something to the effect that she wants the police to go out to the house to find out who "abducted" her son and "robbed him". At the point in time she says this, how would she have any idea what exactly happened to her son?

I don't know if Mom's involved, or not, but she clearly is a whack-job, & knew what all her son was involved in, therefore panicking over him maybe being robbed? She's a theif, he's a thief, so it's something she automatically thought about?

i actually do agree that she's a bit of a whack-job, and you couple this with her recently losing a son and to me it's a wonder that she can even get out of bed in the morning. if she currently even can.

-pink

interestingly enough, no statements from either johnny's father or lisa's parents.

as terrible as it is to say, they might be actually sharing in tiny little bit of the relief i described above.

even though they were their children, a teeny tiny sense of relief in the fact that the tumultuous book has finally been closed.

-pink

(02-06-2011, 01:01 PM)pinkyfloyd Wrote:

(02-06-2011, 12:55 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Pinky: yet the police have no suspects


i wouldn't bet on that.

I'm not betting on that...i have a peculiar way to only base my conjecture on officially released information. i myself have suspects, see previous. having a suspect doesn't necessarily put you any closer to finding the killers.

if the suspects were in the "inner circle" then there would have been arrests already.

-pink

Not necessarily so, DNA profiles are not obtained overnight. It seems to me that while the LE initially botched this case by not following up on the Mothers call throughly; they are taking their time and being careful. Believe me, LE don't want any additional heat regarding this case. It's also great that FBI are involved. Forensics takes some time, there is evidence analysis, and criminal profiling that has to be done. Criminal profiling will play a huge part in this investigation because of the nature of the crime. While the crime was not well planned, there seems to be sadistic torture involved. Suffocation is a slow, painful way of dying. I do believe that they have suspects, but are waiting on more evidence. Also the house, and cell phone records must be obtained through court order.