Hi Stolly, welcome.

we had a self-proclaimed 'genius' here who thought this was a pro hit. if they had a gun and were pros, they would have used the gun. double-tap. again, this was personal.

Ok, I just have a couple questions/comments. I'm actualy at work so I can't type too much..hahaah

1. Alot of people have mentioned Lisa's Ex. Does anyone know who he is? This kid is getting the blame thrown on him and we don't hear anything else about him?
2. I noticed that JC's mom says a few things in this most recent interview that stand out to me..A. She says's that T hears a struggle while on the phone with JC, now I havn't heard that..I've heard what she thought he said but I haven't heard that she actually heard a "struggle". B. She says that the car is in the garage, then she says the cars are in the driveway and the garage and then she states again. The cars are ALL in the garage. Which is it? C. I also never heard that she thought T was inside the house. That's intriguing. D. Now maybe it's just because they weren't moving but the replay of the 911 tapes show she says "they are unconscious"..the operator repeats it...and again she says yes, they are unconscious.. is this after the dad found them or when he saw them through the window? How does she know they are unconscious and not dead? You can't see their face right? and then E. I noticed that she feels that this may be somone making a statement of some kind, I find it interesting that a poster to this site makes that exact claim.

3. If any of you noticed the way T and some of her friends speak/write on facebook, it's kinda, for lack of a better word, "gangsta", does this seem like the type of person to say the house was "ransacked"? This is meaningless really but found it odd.....wouldn't they say messed up, gone through, searched, ??? Ransacked just doesn't fit her personality. Unless someone told her to say that?

4. Anyone ever get more info on this order of protection, or stalking order that she has out there since June of 2010? The person is a vasquesz. Related?

(02-08-2011, 02:45 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 02:41 PM)BoogyWoogy Wrote: i STRONGLY AGREE WITH THAT! for the people that have kids, how bout you put yourself in that situation on loosing a child. you would want to smell your child, hold, kiss and never let go for one more time! think about it. i would go a little crazy too! have a heart people.

yes. i do. i have said so over and over. but she was quite composed in her appearance on TV last night. she is on drugs or crazy. and she is trying to deflect on another victim, Lisa.

read this, if you haven't. she's whacked. i still feel sorry for her.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-Johnny...357?v=wall

She maybe off her rocker drugs no it is sad everyone deals with the death of a child differently! It may not be the way you or I or anyone of that matter deals with it but it is the way she deals with it and we should give her that. 80 percent of the population has mental health issues in some way shape or form so what makes hers a target because her son was killed and she is in the public eye trying to mind out who did it

(02-08-2011, 02:49 PM)MzFruit Wrote: Im thinking noone here knows too much of the people involved. I can tell you that Tiffany has been questioned and had a poly graph scheduled for yesterday. I wonder what the time frame of the results for take.

instant. but not always proclaimed.

Quote:I agree the mom's grieving. I'm not sure about your comment that she's pursuing justice. She's blaming everybody but her son for what may have led up to his and Lisa's murders. She doesn't want to admit (or can't go there yet because of her raw emotions) Johnny has a past, and he most likely pissed off at least one person who may have decided to retaliate.

To clarify, I think she's appearing in various media because in her mind, she's trying to keep focus on the case and those she feels are responsible. Also, I'm sure she'd rather not believe her son was in any way connected to those responsible. IMO she's defending her son against the presumption that HE is to blame. Human nature, frankly. She's pointing out that Lisa's X is just out of prison, and is crazy so he may be involved. I wonder ... was Johnny actually in prison? Or is he being confused with Lisa's crazy X?

Quote:As for parsing the mom's words. Why wouldn't we? She keeps adding to the information she and LE have presented to the public, and some of it's conflicting or just plain weird.

I think it's fine to say she's odd if you feel she's odd. I just find the hyper focus on her as a potential player in the crime, to be barking up the wrong tree.

Quote:Although some people are suggesting she may have somehow been involved in her son's murder, I don't believe that's the case, but I do think she knows more than she's saying. I certainly hope she's giving the info to LE before blabbing it to the media.

I don't think she's capable of keeping a secret? If she knows more than she's saying, it's because she's been told not to say too much by LE.

JMHO. I'm not trying to stifle conversation, just speaking my mind as well.

I am still thinking that this was planned and maybe a robbery gone wrong. As stated, the parents were gone. The two kids often were out of the house. I don't know what I think the motive is, but I'm kind of wondering if maybe this was just a robbery. They didn't plan for the two kids to be home and either they waited until Johnny left to go pick Lisa up from work and thought they were clear to go in, then Johnny and Lisa came back home and they were caught off-guard? Which led to them finding the bags and duct tape as their "weapon".

Just a thought. There are so many theories on what happened. Sadly, we'll never know. Until Tiffany speaks up!!

Quote:Although some people are suggesting she may have somehow been involved in her son's murder, I don't believe that's the case, but I do think she knows more than she's saying. I certainly hope she's giving the info to LE before blabbing it to the media.

I don't think she's capable of keeping a secret? If she knows more than she's saying, it's because she's been told not to say too much by LE.

JMHO. I'm not trying to stifle conversation, just speaking my mind as well.
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I think you are right I think she may know more than she is telling but something I guess I didn't think of is maybe she is being told not to say anything!!

I also can't help but wonder if Tiffany has any idea how much scrutiny she's under?

(02-08-2011, 02:51 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Hi Stolly, welcome.
...this was personal.

I completely agree. Could you turn on PMing for me? I'd like to send you a thought on the topic and a question about what names we can use in this thread.

(02-08-2011, 02:59 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: I also can't help but wonder if Tiffany has any idea how much scrutiny she's under?

sure she does. i'll be surprised if she doesn't head out to costa rica.

(02-08-2011, 03:00 PM)Stolly Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 02:51 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Hi Stolly, welcome.
...this was personal.

I completely agree. Could you turn on PMing for me? I'd like to send you a thought on the topic and a question about what names we can use in this thread.

ok i have to make you a member. give me a mike.

(02-08-2011, 02:57 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: I am still thinking that this was planned and maybe a robbery gone wrong. As stated, the parents were gone. The two kids often were out of the house. I don't know what I think the motive is, but I'm kind of wondering if maybe this was just a robbery. They didn't plan for the two kids to be home and either they waited until Johnny left to go pick Lisa up from work and thought they were clear to go in, then Johnny and Lisa came back home and they were caught off-guard? Which led to them finding the bags and duct tape as their "weapon".

Just a thought. There are so many theories on what happened. Sadly, we'll never know. Until Tiffany speaks up!!

An excellent thought. Further, perhaps T's "job" was to get them/keep them out of the house? That may have been where a breakdown occurred? They may have had to stop home before picking her up?

I find it odd that T doesn't mention a lie detector test or her being under any scrutiny on her FB? Are we sure this is the person in question?

(02-08-2011, 03:02 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 02:59 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: I also can't help but wonder if Tiffany has any idea how much scrutiny she's under?

sure she does. i'll be surprised if she doesn't head out to costa rica.

I don't know. After browsing her FB page and reading some of her comments, I'm wondering how "all there" she is!!

Have you ever wore gloves of any kind cloth or rubber and used tape?It isn't easy and can be frustrating.If they brought the tape with them why didn't they take it with them? These are questions I wonder about.

(02-08-2011, 03:05 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 02:57 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: I am still thinking that this was planned and maybe a robbery gone wrong. As stated, the parents were gone. The two kids often were out of the house. I don't know what I think the motive is, but I'm kind of wondering if maybe this was just a robbery. They didn't plan for the two kids to be home and either they waited until Johnny left to go pick Lisa up from work and thought they were clear to go in, then Johnny and Lisa came back home and they were caught off-guard? Which led to them finding the bags and duct tape as their "weapon".

Just a thought. There are so many theories on what happened. Sadly, we'll never know. Until Tiffany speaks up!!

An excellent thought. Further, perhaps T's "job" was to get them/keep them out of the house? That may have been where a breakdown occurred? They may have had to stop home before picking her up?

I find it odd that T doesn't mention a lie detector test or her being under any scrutiny on her FB? Are we sure this is the person in question?

That's what I was thinking. Either she's doing a really good job at making it seem like she's not involved, or she's completely oblivious to all the talk going on about her.

Someone did verify that it was the correct Tiffany. I'm not sure who it was or how certain we can be but she did post something about JC and LS the day they passed.

http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/toledobl...=148456077

Nothing there of interest yet, but one never knows.

(02-08-2011, 03:06 PM)browntabby1226 Wrote: Have you ever wore gloves of any kind cloth or rubber and used tape?It isn't easy and can be frustrating.If they brought the tape with them why didn't they take it with them? These are questions I wonder about.

Good point about the gloves sticking to the tape. Maybe they were leather, I don't think leather gloves would be that much of a problem.

If they brought the tape with them and there were no prints on it, leaving it would keep it from being found in their car / house / or trash can around their house. It links them to the crime but keeps them from being linked in a way. I don't see two people showing up, pulling a gun on the couple and having one guy say to another one, "search around the house and try to find tape or rope strong enough to keep these two from escaping."

I think they left the tape behind for the same reasons they left the bags and knives, it didn't have anything on it to link them to the crime, so leave it.

(02-08-2011, 03:06 PM)browntabby1226 Wrote: Have you ever wore gloves of any kind cloth or rubber and used tape?It isn't easy and can be frustrating.If they brought the tape with them why didn't they take it with them? These are questions I wonder about.

Very true, im a nurse and on a daily basis deal with tape sticking to and ripping my gloves. I often rip the tape ahead of time if im planning on using it, or take my gloves off in the process.
Also, im curious as to people saying Tiffnay has 3 children and her 4^th on the...isnt she a minor? Red alert of a great lifestyle to me! And as for the way that JC's mom throws Lisa under the bus, I think she is just being a mother-but none the less, its not cool.

(02-08-2011, 02:45 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-08-2011, 02:41 PM)BoogyWoogy Wrote: i STRONGLY AGREE WITH THAT! for the people that have kids, how bout you put yourself in that situation on loosing a child. you would want to smell your child, hold, kiss and never let go for one more time! think about it. i would go a little crazy too! have a heart people.

yes. i do. i have said so over and over. but she was quite composed in her appearance on TV last night. she is on drugs or crazy. and she is trying to deflect on another victim, Lisa.

read this, if you haven't. she's whacked. i still feel sorry for her.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-Johnny...357?v=wall

Yes she is all over fb, but if you knew her that is totally her style, some folks like the attention sadly to say, that is why so many folks put all about the life and pics for anyone to see, however, she is reaching to any level for the world to know her hurt, sad for sure but have known her not a surprise, all his friends can speak on him and go threw this altogether, so kinda mixed on all the media action, but at the same time what the family is going threw is so hard to bare and everyone handles things not the same, she may feel comfort from writing about him or to him, maybe getting comments about how this person or that person loved him and will miss him feels good to her. We just dont know, I think everyone on here has very good speculations and this is first time I have really been involved with a forum. Hopefully the last, for us it is something to keep new info on cause we did know the family and lots of things everyone is saying is true about the past lives but under know circumstance does anyone deserve to find their child that way,,,,it is just to sad.

My stay was short. Here's why.

http://mockforums.net/post-125150.html#pid125150

Here's hoping we'll see justice for Lisa and Johnny, soon.

Cheers.