(02-16-2011, 04:58 PM)fabulous Wrote: I wonder who has been reading these pages? Maytee? TW? LE?
with all that FB BS.... I wonder who has been posting here too??... some of these posts in the later pages have made me wonder.

and sadly, I don't think anyone local is even slightly surprised that there is no information being given by LE....

and to whomever questioned the whole "nursing" thing in an earlier post....every goofy ass, welfare, HS drop out, I have to learn a skill and get a job person in this city goes into STNA (state tested nursing assistant) school in this city! there's a ton of TW's in this city...working at a nursing home near you : )

(and I mean no disrespect to nurses or nursing aides, medical assistants, etc etc)

Sad that this is what our disabled and elderly have to put up with, it's appalling, it really is!

(02-16-2011, 05:03 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: 25yr. old mother of 3

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-...l-4211.htm

(02-16-2011, 04:01 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 01:31 PM)JsMom Wrote: Hello everyone, I am new here! but this is Miranda! I see people have brought me up for talking to maytee! I would like to join u all in conversation! I did have a son who passed! I do talk with maytee often! I am just tryin to help comfort her and be there emotionally for her! =) O and YES losing a child does make u a little crazy! If you have any futher questions for me feel free to ask! Thank you!

Hello Miranda,
Hello and welcome. I do though take exception with your chosen handle and like another newbie before you who asked that her "handle" be changed so not to be mixed up with a player in this saga, I think yours should just be Miranda and not JSMOM....JSMOM is misleading and an invitation for more of what you received from your FB page.

U know what! U may be right! People might think Im someone elses mother! Ill change this here in a few to JavonesMom! I sure dont want no mix ups!

(02-16-2011, 05:24 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 04:01 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 01:31 PM)JsMom Wrote: Hello everyone, I am new here! but this is Miranda! I see people have brought me up for talking to maytee! I would like to join u all in conversation! I did have a son who passed! I do talk with maytee often! I am just tryin to help comfort her and be there emotionally for her! =) O and YES losing a child does make u a little crazy! If you have any futher questions for me feel free to ask! Thank you!

Hello Miranda,
Hello and welcome. I do though take exception with your chosen handle and like another newbie before you who asked that her "handle" be changed so not to be mixed up with a player in this saga, I think yours should just be Miranda and not JSMOM....JSMOM is misleading and an invitation for more of what you received from your FB page.

U know what! U may be right! People might think Im someone elses mother! Ill change this here in a few to JavonesMom! I sure dont want no mix ups!

http://mockforums.net/thread-4846.html

(02-16-2011, 04:01 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 01:31 PM)JsMom Wrote: Hello everyone, I am new here! but this is Miranda! I see people have brought me up for talking to maytee! I would like to join u all in conversation! I did have a son who passed! I do talk with maytee often! I am just tryin to help comfort her and be there emotionally for her! =) O and YES losing a child does make u a little crazy! If you have any futher questions for me feel free to ask! Thank you!

Hello Miranda,
Hello and welcome. I do though take exception with your chosen handle and like another newbie before you who asked that her "handle" be changed so not to be mixed up with a player in this saga, I think yours should just be Miranda and not JSMOM....JSMOM is misleading and an invitation for more of what you received from your FB page.

Im sorry but I can not change my username!

(02-16-2011, 04:58 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 04:50 PM)jash Wrote:

Quote:The problem/worry is that this is not being handled by the city's large and experienced Detective Bureau but by a tiny Detective Bureau run by the Sheriff's Dept, which normally deals only with traffic and running the local jail, and where appointments made are usually political at the Sheriff's discretion. I am only hoping that the two (?) detectives in their Bureau are up to the task.

BINGO! People that have read my previous posts know how I feel about Stooksbury, the "lead" investigator.

As far as the FBI goes, I know it has been reported that they offered their services for obtaining phone records, etc. but I have not seen anywhere where this is now an OFFICIAL FBI investigation. If its not, the Sheriff's dept is still lead and they SHOULD release some sort of presser for Gods sake. Stooksbury has been completely MUTE, the rewards keep getting higher and higher, and as I said before..the last murder I recall Stooksbury investigating was an inmate in her own jail (county jail) where she said there was "no evidence" of beating or injuries to the inmate, which the coroner backed up...UNTIL the Justice Department became involved and said the inmate died from beating and strangulation! This is one big boys club here folks...always has been. I have NO faith in the Sheriff's Dept. running this investigation.

A previous poster said that Toledo PD is now lead investigators of this crime (he stated he heard it on the news) if true, this would be GOOD NEWS. I myself, being local, have not heard that TPD took over tho.

I heard TPD was involved now also & couldn't remember where. I found it here in this video that ran on last nights news

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7961012

thanks for the link! I think I've about caught up here.

(02-16-2011, 11:39 AM)pspence Wrote: No one ever said she wasn't street wise or was an angel...but look at the dates of those incidents...she has CHANGED!

Uh, her FB ramblings in ghetto speak, along with her pictures, tell her story. Dunno what her involvement in the murders is, if any, but she's a sleazebag, END OF STORY. Now, that doesn't mean she's done anything to warrant going to prison. That remains to be to determined.

(02-16-2011, 04:58 PM)fabulous Wrote: I wonder who has been reading these pages? Maytee? TW? LE?
with all that FB BS.... I wonder who has been posting here too??... some of these posts in the later pages have made me wonder.

and sadly, I don't think anyone local is even slightly surprised that there is no information being given by LE....

and to whomever questioned the whole "nursing" thing in an earlier post....every goofy ass, welfare, HS drop out, I have to learn a skill and get a job person in this city goes into STNA (state tested nursing assistant) school in this city! there's a ton of TW's in this city...working at a nursing home near you : )

(and I mean no disrespect to nurses or nursing aides, medical assistants, etc etc)

good point! We have the same 'school's here, on just about every corner!

(02-16-2011, 05:14 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: and as much as i understand the public indifference to 'gangstas' and gangbangers and druggies...
STILL we are discussing this case day and night. it's riveting because of the youth and beauty of the victims, the cast of characters, but especially the gruesome manner of death. there are cases in my forum that bother me much more. but this is a mystery and we want answers. we want to SEE who would do this. and we want to know they can never do it again, even to their own "kind".
in the ghetto one becomes desensitized. WTF let them kill each other off. this wasn't the ghetto, it was the suburbs. a place we can identify with.

something I think also, but can't put into words, like you have!

(02-16-2011, 10:34 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 02:49 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 02:18 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 02:08 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 02:01 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote: ALSO TW almost screws up her alibi...she starts to say Johnny say I am on the phone to someone then she changes it....listen again see if you here that

I noticed TW hemmin and hawin, she changes from talking to LS then to JS then she says they all hung up but she called JS right back and heard the altercation. It seems to me she is concealing some facts and being vague and non-specific so she has wiggle room to answer some followup question predicated on her previous statements that could corner her.

Like she is thinking....I wondered who I was on the phone 1^st with. and she has to clearly point out..I worried about my friends....WHY would you think I had anything to do with it? Please listen to it again..see if you hear her say about what she heard Johnny say... I swear she went to say.. I AM ON THE PHONE WITH YOUR ....and then she changes it. mmm its interesting.

I listened again and this is as best as i can make out what she is saying to 911.

TW...O.K.Hello
911...Whats going on there?
TW...My friend Johnny and Lisa they were suppose to me up. me and my friend. This was at around 11 oclock and I was on the phone with his girl frien Lisa and he hung up and we all hung up. And then I called Johnny right back cause I was gonna tell him that I was gonna run to the store and I would meet him at the house......well he was yellin at some one like um saying "bro...who are you?"

Not sure where you are hearing her stopping from saying one thing and switching to to another....so far all I get is a story being related with alot of stops and I get a sense that there is discomfort relating the details. I can't venture a guess at why this discomfort is there. Could it be because she was just accused of setting JS up? If so a person realizing they are in the hot seat could begin to stammer, wondering if those acusations were going to be leveled at her again and anything she was saying was going to used to support those acusations and further incriminate her.

This is what I heard:

I was on the phone with his gf Ls and HE ( TW says he but meant she, okay honest mistake) hung up, we all hung up, (myabe this was 3 way call?) and then he, I called jc right back I was gonna tell him that I was gonna run to the store and I would meet him at the house.. he was yellin at someone like "I'm on (she starts to say something else here)... he goes..bro who are you.. I called him right back and he didn't answer.

yep, she did.

(02-16-2011, 05:24 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 04:01 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 01:31 PM)JsMom Wrote: Hello everyone, I am new here! but this is Miranda! I see people have brought me up for talking to maytee! I would like to join u all in conversation! I did have a son who passed! I do talk with maytee often! I am just tryin to help comfort her and be there emotionally for her! =) O and YES losing a child does make u a little crazy! If you have any futher questions for me feel free to ask! Thank you!

Hello Miranda,
Hello and welcome. I do though take exception with your chosen handle and like another newbie before you who asked that her "handle" be changed so not to be mixed up with a player in this saga, I think yours should just be Miranda and not JSMOM....JSMOM is misleading and an invitation for more of what you received from your FB page.

U know what! U may be right! People might think Im someone elses mother! Ill change this here in a few to JavonesMom! I sure dont want no mix ups!

Honestly, I wouldn't worry about changing your name. I never once thought you were anyone's mom, involved with this case, until you posted your name was Miranda.

(02-16-2011, 12:07 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 11:13 AM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 10:34 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 02:49 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 02:18 AM)doing40^thisyear Wrote: Like she is thinking....I wondered who I was on the phone 1^st with. and she has to clearly point out..I worried about my friends....WHY would you think I had anything to do with it? Please listen to it again..see if you hear her say about what she heard Johnny say... I swear she went to say.. I AM ON THE PHONE WITH YOUR ....and then she changes it. mmm its interesting.

I listened again and this is as best as i can make out what she is saying to 911.

TW...O.K.Hello
911...Whats going on there?
TW...My friend Johnny and Lisa they were suppose to me up. me and my friend. This was at around 11 oclock and I was on the phone with his girl frien Lisa and he hung up and we all hung up. And then I called Johnny right back cause I was gonna tell him that I was gonna run to the store and I would meet him at the house......well he was yellin at some one like um saying "bro...who are you?"

Not sure where you are hearing her stopping from saying one thing and switching to to another....so far all I get is a story being related with alot of stops and I get a sense that there is discomfort relating the details. I can't venture a guess at why this discomfort is there. Could it be because she was just accused of setting JS up? If so a person realizing they are in the hot seat could begin to stammer, wondering if those acusations were going to be leveled at her again and anything she was saying was going to used to support those acusations and further incriminate her.

This is what I heard:

I was on the phone with his gf Ls and HE ( TW says he but meant she, okay honest mistake) hung up, we all hung up, (myabe this was 3 way call?) and then he, I called jc right back I was gonna tell him that I was gonna run to the store and I would meet him at the house.. he was yellin at someone like "I'm on (she starts to say something else here)... he goes..bro who are you.. I called him right back and he didn't answer.

Ok, wait a minute....there is one thing mentioned in here that I never heard before "I would meet him at the house".....This changes alot!! If this is true, then she wasn't trying to get him out of the house so the robbery could happen/continue as thought before, this would indicate she wanted him to stay at the house which, makes no sense if she was aware that a robbery was happening or about to happen.

I'm thinking these people were already in the house when Johnny and Lisa got home. In regards to her also saying that she heard Johnny say "I'm on the"....he could have been saying "I'm on the phone with the cops" to try and scare the perps. Also, knowing there was holes punched in the walls, major ransacking in the bedroom etc, it sounds like this may have taken some time to do and could give motive as to why they killed them...if they kept saying "There is no safe" it could have simply pissed the perps off so much because they thought for sure there was a safe that they tortured them each time to get them to talk and finally just killed them. Another thing...Unknown mentioned awhile back that there was a white van (I believe) in the neighborhood days before...central security has white vans (I think)...is it possible someone they were aquanited with worked for central security?? Unknown mentioned in that same post that the wires had been cut.....someone had to know where the wires were, and have wirecutters.

I also just wanted to say that creeping through facebbok/my space/ and many other things, I am so saddened to see the lives all these kids live.

"I would meet him at the house"

She says this after she knows what has gone down, after she hear this supposed altercation. IF you believe anything TW said, that's the question. What's the truth, what's mixed with the truth...remember the best liars mix enough truth with their lies to make them SEEM believable.

Dunno if this has been addressed, as I'm the usual 10 pages behind in the thread, but when she said that about running to the store and meeting him at the house, that's a ??? for me. Did she mean, "I'm going to run to the story and meet at my house", or meet at Lisa's (IOW, she didn't need a ride any longer)?

I still find the run to the store story to be suspect. Hell, everything she says is suspect.

It was posted here a page or two back. Here it is again.

Quote: (click on the column headings text to sort by that column)
Case Number Defendant Date of Birth Charge
CRA-07-13713-0103 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 TRAFFICKING IN DRUGS SELL OR OFFER TO SELL
CRA-07-13713-0203 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 POSSESSION OF DRUGS OBTAIN POSSESS OR USE A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
CRA-07-13713-0303 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 PERMITTING DRUG ABUSE amended from POSSESSION OF DRUGS OBTAIN POSSESS OR USE A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
CRB-08-16956-0102 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 DISORDERLY CONDUCT amended from ENDANGER CHILDREN;CREATE SUBSTANTIAL RISK TO HEALTH OR SAFTETY
CRB-08-16956-0202 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 DISORDERLY CONDUCT amended from OBSTRUCTING OFFICIAL BUSINESS
CRB-09-09136-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 PETTY THEFT WITH PURPOSE TO DEPRIVE KNOWINGLY OBTAIN OR EXERT CONTROL WITHOUT CONSENT OF OWNER
CRB-09-09470-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 UNAUTHORIZED USE OF PROPERTY;KNOWINGLY USE OR OPERATE WITHOUT CONSENT OF OWNER OR AUTHORIZED PERSON amended from THEFT WITH PURPOSE TO DEPRIVE KNOWINGLY OBTAIN OR EXERT CONTROL WITHOUT CONSENT OF OWNER
CRB-10-16129-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 FALSE INFORMATION TO A POLICE OFFICER
TRD-04-03596-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/17/1985 ABILITY TO STOP IN ASSURED CLEAR DISTANCE
TRD-06-00693-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/17/1985 MAXIMUM SPEEDS: EXCEED 60 MPH ON INTERSTATE SYSTEM
TRD-09-11377-0103 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 FAILURE TO STOP AFTER ACCIDENT ON STREET
TRD-09-11377-0203 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 LICENSE REQUIRED;DRIVING WITHOUT LICENSE
TRD-09-11377-0303 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 STARTING AND BACKING VEHICLES
TRD-10-10829-0101 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 DISPLAY OF LICENSE PLATE;WHEN EXPIRED
TRD-10-20840-0103 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 DISPLAY OF LICENSE;FAILURE TO DISPLAY LICENSE WHEN DEMAND IS PROPERLY MADE
TRD-10-20840-0203 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 TWO HEADLIGHTS REQUIRED ON VEHICLE OTHER THAN MOTORCYCLE
TRD-10-20840-0303 WILLIAMS, TIFFANY 09/16/1986 BROKEN, CRACKED, NONTRANSPARENT GLASS

[/quote]

TW's rapsheet.

I am going to post this again, because I think TW is extremely streetwise and even dangerous to someone like LS and she is not just some naive young woman who has never been questioned about a crime before and maybe some newer mockers haven't seen this, in fact, I didn't see this until a day or two ago. This rapsheet fly's in the face of TW being someone who doesn't think on her feet when being questioned by cops or anyone else, just maybe, and I mean maybe never about a murder before but after learning things about her dead exbf I am not even sure about that.

[/quote]
whats with the date. 1986

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub On this particular forum, I discovered they were saying hurtful things about one of the people who was participating here, calling her crazy. You certainly don't want that to happen to you!



lol



It's called POSTING IN PUBLIC. Deal with it.

(02-16-2011, 01:17 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 01:12 PM)BoogyWoogy Wrote: can someone find out the sheets on the person jc and danny robbed or how jc got out early, word on the streets is the person he snitched on 2 years ago, the father of him just got out of jail and had made a threat to jc 2 years back, so how can we find out who it is? Danny still is on the southside not to sure if they hung out much anymore.

i don't know for sure in his case, but if he was not a problem in prison, no disciplinary problems, he may have been released to community control. (which he was.) nobody serves a full sentence most of the time. often
with bad results.

I found it curious that he was out on probation instead of parole. Is that normal?

semantics. it was "community control". he had to report in.

(02-16-2011, 01:31 PM)JsMom Wrote: Hello everyone, I am new here! but this is Miranda! I see people have brought me up for talking to maytee! I would like to join u all in conversation! I did have a son who passed! I do talk with maytee often! I am just tryin to help comfort her and be there emotionally for her! =) O and YES losing a child does make u a little crazy! If you have any futher questions for me feel free to ask! Thank you!

Hello, Miranda. I'll wait to finish this thread before talking with you. You may have already answered some questions that I have.

justice just shut down again. maybe they had to take a pee and were afraid someone would post something with substance!

I'd like to put a link to Mock on the FB page that everyone has been referring to.

To the person that runs that page, people are treating your page like crap because they don't have any respect for it, you may want to ask yourself why & take the steps needed to rectify that...if you care. *shrug*