(02-17-2011, 10:32 AM)BlueTiki Wrote: It looks like that some folks, after having an opportunity to get responses from one of the alleged "cast" of this tradegy, redemption came quickly and without hesitation for this "character"

So much for priors, bastard children, multiple baby-daddy, custody, ghetto talk, menial employment and thug friends.

Behold!

A pregnant, young, brave, honest and decent single mom who is just trying to get by in this tough ol' world and mourn the loss of two friends.

People are a funny and fickle lot.

Just ask a Public Relations Director.

Well Fuck me! who would have thought.

(02-17-2011, 12:27 AM)tiffwill123 Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 12:24 AM)catch22 Wrote: do you have any idea why johnny and lisa stopped at her house before picking you up if he had just picked her up from work and you all were going to go back to lisa's anyway? i'm not trying to accuse you of anything. i actually believe you (as of now). i was just curious if you had any info about the timeline.

if you are innocent, i'm really sorry about everything you have and are going through.

i dont know why they went back to lisas.but i talked to them while they were there and thats when they asked did i want to come over for a little bit.

Not to nit pick, but little things like this stick out to me. She's stating above, that JC and LS were already at LS's house when they called her and asked her(TW) if she wanted to come over. Why would she say she didn't know why they went to back Lisa's??? They had yet to invite her over, so why would it be weird for them to be home at that time??? This struck me as odd.

(02-17-2011, 10:38 AM)Unknown Wrote: Well Fuck me! who would have thought.

(and for my ebonics spelling of tragedy)

I have to agree with LoveHippo and Doing40, and the eating my words part too. IF JC said he would call her back, when did he say that, because she says she tried to call him back. Why did she say she called and texted LS too, right after she and JC were disconnected, and says this quite frantically? She makes it sound like she did it right away and got no response. NOT even an inkling that it was an hour later!

TW: "johnny told me he would call me back.thats why i didnt call anyone.then when a hour went by and he didnt answer"
Versus
911
"i called jc right back to tell him I had to run to the store and that I would meet them at the house and he was yellen at somebody...like umm I'm on.. he goes bro who are you.. and I called him right back he didn't answer...so I texted my friend L's phone and I was where are you are you okay and they didn't anwer...

I texted L
The last I talked to you I heard him arguing..."

And for those who think that it's a matter of semantics or that the details don't count..

Any, any cop worth their salt will tell you...THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS

First, I have to give her credit for coming here and answering some questions, she either very brave, or has a set of steel balls. JMO. Do I think she knew they were going to be murdered, no, did she put her hands on them, no, does she know a hell of a lot more....yep.

Sorry, I'm just not buying what TW is selling....

O Thank you TW you've cleared this whole mess up and even wiped my ass for me, how thankful I am that you did this. Hey I need a baby sitter Thursday night do you think you could help watch them. God bless you sweetheart. I knew it couldn't be you, you have 3 kids and your pregnant.

People to quick to judge and quick to trust

(02-17-2011, 10:53 AM)Unknown Wrote: O Thank you TW you've cleared this whole mess up and even wiped my ass for me, how thankful I am that you did this. Hey I need a baby sitter Thursday night do you think you could help watch them. God bless you sweetheart. I knew it couldn't be you, you have 3 kids and your pregnant.

Hey Unknown I got this piece of land down in Florida, really pretty land and I'll sell it to you real cheap! Yeah right!

(02-17-2011, 10:53 AM)Unknown Wrote: O Thank you TW you've cleared this whole mess up and even wiped my ass for me, how thankful I am that you did this. Hey I need a baby sitter Thursday night do you think you could help watch them. God bless you sweetheart. I knew it couldn't be you, you have 3 kids and your pregnant.

People to quick to judge and quick to trust

Some people will buy anything....

(02-17-2011, 03:22 AM)efyou Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 03:14 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 03:09 AM)efyou Wrote: Was there ever a "Grieving Friend" that posted here?

Don't know but a post by "Grieving Friend" was linked to. It was in the comments of a news article.

Yup that's what I'm talking about. I just went back and looked at it. Very interesting post looking back.

Where can I find this so I can check it out?

(02-17-2011, 10:53 AM)Unknown Wrote: Thank you TW you've cleared this whole mess up

It is amazing, isn't it?

Wonder if they had a chance to speak with a convicted murderer, who professed his/her innocence?

Well, boy-howdy!

There goes that danged overcrowded prison problem!

(02-17-2011, 11:05 AM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 10:53 AM)Unknown Wrote: O Thank you TW you've cleared this whole mess up

It is amazing, isn't it?

Wonder if they had a chance to speak with a convicted murderer, who professed his/her innocence?

Well, boy-howdy!

There goes that danged overcrowded prison problem!

JC saying he would call her back a hour later is the total opposite of what TW said in the 911 call, sorry. Not a matter of semantics as somebody said. These are 2 very different statements.

After following this whole thread, I will finally throw in my "two cents."

Oh, how the tables have turned!! Who would have thought last week that Tiffany would be on here, answering questions.

Based on what she has said about being clueless about the crime, could the LE really be stumped as well? Could this be why a reward for information was posted?

As I was reading Tiffany's responses I kept thinking, I wonder what Unknown will have to say about this... Well in reading his responses, he poses some important questions and raises an important point. Can we blindly accept all of Tiffany's answers?

Obviously, this is up to each and everyone of us to decide. Johnny has enemies, according to TW, unlike his mother proclaimed.

I look forward to further resolve regarding this case. It is truly tragic. As a local, I can echo how uncharacteristic this crime is for the area. However, I am reassured by the fact that it was not a random crime.

Thanks LadyCop and Duchess for keeping this forum going.

I'm glad Tiffany showed up to answer questions. I'm satisfied with the answers she gave, unless something changes my mind. No matter what I might think about her lifestyle, I've never thought she was involved in what happened to JC & LS. I think Maytee put words into Tiffany's mouth, that night. She hadn't actually talked to Tiffany, until they were all at the home. I think this all comes down to gang related, somehow. JC pissed someone off royally, & revenge was sought.

Ima justa sayin' I ain't never seen so many folks go from "Hangin' Rope" to "Velvet Rope" so quickly.

(02-17-2011, 11:08 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 11:05 AM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 10:53 AM)Unknown Wrote: O Thank you TW you've cleared this whole mess up

It is amazing, isn't it?

Wonder if they had a chance to speak with a convicted murderer, who professed his/her innocence?

Well, boy-howdy!

There goes that danged overcrowded prison problem!

JC saying he would call her back a hour later is the total opposite of what TW said in the 911 call, sorry. Not a matter of semantics as somebody said. These are 2 very different statements.

Yes they are two different statements, and I'm glad someone finally understands what my issue is with Tiffany's story as relayed to us.

Aside from anything Maytee said, I have listened to that 911 call over and over and NEVER not once does TW say anything about JC calling her back in an hour, she says the exact opposite. Screw what Maytee says, listen to the call, it right out of TW's own mouth. IMO she knew something was going down, what? I don't believe she is being truthful.

(02-17-2011, 11:13 AM)BlueTiki Wrote: Ima justa sayin' I ain't never seen so many folks go from "Hangin' Rope" to "Velvet Rope" so quickly.

Amen!

(02-17-2011, 03:47 AM)efyou Wrote: Post #20 in this thread is where it first gets brought up here.

That post was altered by I think by LC and it directs the reader to this site which has been rendered useless..

LC would it be ok to fix this link now that time has passed?

(02-17-2011, 11:16 AM)Love Hippos Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 11:13 AM)BlueTiki Wrote: Ima justa sayin' I ain't never seen so many folks go from "Hangin' Rope" to "Velvet Rope" so quickly.

Amen!

Nothing new, that's just how druggies and cons manipulate, sorry, they know how to manipulate to UMPH degree! Lovers buy it, parents buy it, kids buy it, employers buy it, parole officers buy it and sometimes even the public buys it.... JMO

(02-17-2011, 11:15 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Aside from anything Maytee said, I have listened to that 911 call over and over and NEVER not once does TW say anything about JC calling her back in an hour, she says the exact opposite. Screw what Maytee says, listen to the call, it right out of TW's own mouth. IMO she knew something was going down, what? I don't believe she is being truthful.

Yep. Take Maytee out of the picture and focus on Tiffany's comments in the 2^nd 911 call, and you will know her side of the story as to what happened...and it doesn't jive with what she told us!

While I find it very interesting that she came here to answer questions I still think she knows something. Here are my reasons...

She has ties to some very unsavory people. It is very clear through her own fb page that she has friends that have all been in jail for some reason or another and I am not talking about traffic crime. She has her own rap sheet, for LYING TO THE POLICE. Even if that was just her identity why would I believe ANYTHING she says.



Again I have ties to Lisa's family so I wanted to clear up a few things. Yes JC was living there. Her parents had a lot of concerns about him. They were hoping that
1. He would get his life together or
2. Lisa would see what he was headed for and bail.

it was also easier to keep an eye on their daughter if she was at home then if she was living somewhere else. It was also easier to keep an eye on HIM if he lived there.

Also Lisa's family wants nothing to do with JC's family. That is why I have refused to attend any benefits they put on. They are sitting back and letting LE do their job.