Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[shitstorm]

Was there ever a "Grieving Friend" that posted here?

Don't know but a post by "Grieving Friend" was linked to. It was in the comments of a news article.

[eye.of.my]

And if that is the case and it is over drugs then Tiffanys boyfriend for some reason comes to mind frequently considering not but a month or to ago he was accussed of robbing a man when someone THOUGHT that the man went to the house to do a drug deal and that was not the case and they got the little bit of cash the man had on him at the time. There very well could be alot more to this than we will ever know. Her boyfriends name just flys around to many robberies for my liking

[efyou]

Was there ever a "Grieving Friend" that posted here?

Don't know but a post by "Grieving Friend" was linked to. It was in the comments of a news article.

Yup that's what I'm talking about. I just went back and looked at it. Very interesting post looking back.

[eye.of.my]

where roughly in the 240 somethingpages can I find this pst? lol Iam curious but am trying to read begining to end and end to begining lol

[efyou]

where roughly in the 240 somethingpages can I find this pst? lol Iam curious but am trying to read begining to end and end to begining lol

I can copy and paste it or link it but not sure that person wants or should even have it posted. It is still out there though.

[shitstorm]

where roughly in the 240 somethingpages can I find this pst? lol Iam curious but am trying to read begining to end and end to begining lol

I don't know. I'd like to read it, again, but I'm not gonna slog through 200 pages to find it!


You mentioned Tiffany's bf being accused of robbing someone. Do you know that to be a fact, rumor, what?

[shitstorm]

where roughly in the 240 somethingpages can I find this pst? lol Iam curious but am trying to read begining to end and end to begining lol

I can copy and paste it or link it but not sure that person wants or should even have it posted. It is still out there though.

They posted it on the WORLD WIDE WEB. Link it!

[eye.of.my]

if its in this thread a rough page number will do thanks

[efyou]

if its in this thread a rough page number will do thanks

I'm sure it's in this thread but no idea where. I saw it on 4 different boards. One of them deleted it. One still has it up (the one I can link or copy). One, here, not sure where. And the other on a news article but can't remember where.

[eye.of.my]

Like I said this is all what I have heard, but hearing what I have heard about him and knowing that no suspects for any of these crimes have suspects either only a reoccuring name troubles me personally and that they have came from different people not associated with others telling the same story. This by far means hes any less guilty or any more guilty its just something that comes to mind everytime I think of Tiffany being accused of this is all.

[efyou]

Post #20 in this thread is where it first gets brought up here.

[Duchess]

And by how she gets mad because someone doesnt believe her.... well that speaks volumes, doesnt it.

When someone calls you a liar, you're cool with that? Doesn't bother you at all? Now remember, when someone accuses you of lying don't get pissed about it because it'll speak volumes as to your character & integrity, you should just take it lying down and move on.

[Red_velvet71]

This is my first post , and I just spent a LONG time reading the previous comments. ( Well , some of them ) and I have to honestly say , I believe TIffany. It takes alot of guts to come on here and answer questions .
I do however have a question ( that may have been asked before , and forgive me if it has ) , did JC 's mom like LS ? Or did she seem to be jealous of her in anyway ?

Great question! I'd bet that Maytee was one of those mother's that thought no one was good enough for her son, when she referred to Lisa early on she never used her first name. She'd be a mother in law from hell if you ask me.

Sorry, but I call it as I see it like most of you Mockers.

By the way, some good questions you all asked Tiff. Well done.

[Duchess]

Tiffany wouldn't answer a couple of mine either. Perhaps she's fearful, I suppose. I do feel Tiffany is very select with her answers for she knows much more than she's revealing.

I don't think anyone should take it personal if their questions were not answered. This young woman was being bombarded with questions from dozens of people all at once.

[pspence]

I am absolutely totally obsessed with this case...two such attractive kids and from all accounts kids with great personalities ...Tiffany's parents are good people and had real concerns but knew she was over the moon in love with JC... wanted to keep her home and help put Johnny on the right track ...don't be judgemental about her parents because anyone with grown children know you can't pick who they fall for...plus, from what I understand Johnny was a fun cute guy with potential they saw to be a great guy...I feel so sorry for M also and how crazed she must be over the loss of her darling son...however the following is the bottom line...after communicating with a man close to the case I think these are the following scenarios:

a) Johnny bragged about the safe being in this affluent home and the wrong "gangsta wannabe sociopaths" heard about it...simple robbery as motive with the gangsta finish (tape/bags) to these 2 precious people...

b) Someone Johnny told on in prison had revenge - robbery secondary.

c) This will blow everyone away...but I heard (totally rumor) from someone close to the case locally...that "M" is not her real name and that her husb got busted awhile back with a truck with heroin in it. "M" turned informant for lesser sentence (or no sentence)...and even told on own family members to save their own skin (not sure I wouldn't have done the very same thing in the same circumstances - however I am a 100% drug free law abiding citizen) ...anyway...this snitching involved telling on some big time dealers - some of which - involved members of her own family which were in the Cuban mafia...did this as a revenge hit to get back at "M" ---to hurt someone she loved most in the world- robbery secondary motive. Also to send msg to all in that world "anyone snitches - this is what will happen to you"....M may have always worried this could happen and reason so freaked out...LE of course knows this as possibility IF this info is true. Heard "M" isn't even real name. So sad because of the love, loss and tragic circumstance...also heard J wasn't an angel and yes, the scales and baggies...they were smokin' a little pot but he really was trying to turn his life around and loved LS' parents...

[doing40thisyear]

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And if that is the case and it is over drugs then Tiffanys boyfriend for some reason comes to mind frequently considering not but a month or to ago he was accussed of robbing a man when someone THOUGHT that the man went to the house to do a drug deal and that was not the case and they got the little bit of cash the man had on him at the time. There very well could be alot more to this than we will ever know. Her boyfriends name just flys around to many robberies for my liking
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Exactly...they are too many facts pretaining to robbery & breaking and entering charges on their records. TW said her boyfriend was home doing a paper for school. (I laugh because ....do you believe he is this studious guy sitting at home doing a paper while his pregnant gf is off playing pool with a minor (Mr Z...know percocent addict, mind you )...Just dont Jive. Why is he being questioned if AJ (the boy supposely studying ) was no where near the murder site.

[esbee]

I am absolutely totally obsessed with this case...two such attractive kids and from all accounts kids with great personalities ...Tiffany's parents are good people and had real concerns but knew she was over the moon in love with JC... wanted to keep her home and help put Johnny on the right track ...don't be judgemental about her parents because anyone with grown children know you can't pick who they fall for...plus, from what I understand Johnny was a fun cute guy with potential they saw to be a great guy...I feel so sorry for M also and how crazed she must be over the loss of her darling son...however the following is the bottom line...after communicating with a man close to the case I think these are the following scenarios:

a) Johnny bragged about the safe being in this affluent home and the wrong "gangsta wannabe sociopaths" heard about it...simple robbery as motive with the gangsta finish (tape/bags) to these 2 precious people...

b) Someone Johnny told on in prison had revenge - robbery secondary.

c) This will blow everyone away...but I heard (totally rumor) from someone close to the case locally...that "M" is not her real name and that her husb got busted awhile back with a truck with heroin in it. "M" turned informant for lesser sentence (or no sentence)...and even told on own family members to save their own skin (not sure I wouldn't have done the very same thing in the same circumstances - however I am a 100% drug free law abiding citizen) ...anyway...this snitching involved telling on some big time dealers - some of which - involved members of her own family which were in the Cuban mafia...did this as a revenge hit to get back at "M" ---to hurt someone she loved most in the world- robbery secondary motive. Also to send msg to all in that world "anyone snitches - this is what will happen to you"....M may have always worried this could happen and reason so freaked out...LE of course knows this as possibility IF this info is true. Heard "M" isn't even real name. So sad because of the love, loss and tragic circumstance...also heard J wasn't an angel and yes, the scales and baggies...they were smokin' a little pot but he really was trying to turn his life around and loved LS' parents...

Scenario c might explain the sunglasses during the JVM interview (however ineffective).

BTW, the RIP Johnny facebook page is proposing a second reward fundraiser, details to be announced today.

[Duchess]

I don't think that conclusions can be drawn by the fact someone wears their sunglasses. I wear mine every moment I am outside of my home & it doesn't matter to me if I'm inside or out, it is irrelevant.

Eyes are the window to one's soul...no one needs to see my soul. My soul is no ones business.

[DCTim]

Wow Tiffany! You've been through a lot these past weeks. I have to admit I've really changed my mind (and theories) about this crime. It's SO EASY TO JUDGE (talking only about myself) without having both sides. It is not your obligation to worry about what people think of you. You shouldn't have to give s rats ass about anyone's opinion right now. But I hope you know how much I respect you for the fact you had the balls to share your story. Maybe in some way it can help to get the TRUTH out, since the media only seems interested in the "looney Maytee" version. You're right, if someone has nothing to hide then they deserve to stand up for themselves. You must be a strong woman. Don't know if I could do the same! Good luck with your sweet boys n new baby.

Still trying to get caught up (have about 20 more pages to read) but wanted to respond.

I too am glad that Tiffany has joined and is answering questions. I'm also amazed how some people seem to have quickly dropped their pre-conceived notions about her, the ones that were so quick to judge, condemn and crucify her just a few pages back (you know who you are). You practically imagined her with the bags in her hands for crissakes. I've never believed she was part of this, and now her answers clarify the two hour delay (imo).

Now maybe we should give Maytee the benefit of the doubt as well, especially thiose who seem to think she was part of this crime or had some other involvement. Sure, maybe she's a bit different in her behavior and ranting, but let's not be so quick to judge her either. Maybe we'll hear from her too.

[TotallyCurious]

Unless the bedroom being trashed was a good way to cause a red
herring and suggest it was a robbery. But perhaps it was all show.