(02-17-2011, 08:08 PM)JsMom Wrote: There is simply no way she wanted her son dead, and no way she'D protect his killers.
I guess if people like nitpicking her every comment they can, it just seems pointless to me.
YAH whats it worth! No mother wants to lose a child unless UR SICK IN THE DAMN HEAD! She MAY be "crazy" but SICK N THE HEAD~NO!!!
I don't think Maytee had any abnormal information. Also, it's T's word against Maytee regarding what was or wasn't said. Perhaps Shareda/Sherita? will shed a light to authorities about what was said to her and clear up the matter once and for all.
Off topic - I meant she'd above not she's...
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I believe it's already been cleared up. I think if Sharita/Sherita (whatever the hell her name is) had already spoken w/LE, & said that Tiffny really DID say all those things, I sure as hell would expect LE to have questioned Tiffany, more than once!
I think that Maytee was jealous of LS, personally. She had her "babiboi's" affection and attention. Even in the 911 calls it's like LS is an after thought. I don't think she would have given a second thought to having the Straub's house robbed, but I don't think she wanted her son dead. I think she has some serious mental issues and then mixed with the drugs, I don't think she has much rational thought. It just seems to me that everyone close to this murder knows more than they're saying and I'm not sure they're going to talk.
Quote:I have spoke with M manys times and she NEVER said the cell phone was laying on his chest! Is this a positive statemant? Just curious! First Ive heard of this!
It is in one of the television or written records. Maybe the uncle's quote from
the most recent article
TotallyCurious....can you post a link to this tv or written article because the only person I heard say this was MAYTEE (unidentified female on 911 transcript) and if that is the ONLY place its said, we can't really use that as fact in any theory we have.
Quote:Newly released search warrants indicate the home was ransacked. Several items, including DVDs and cell phone parts, were found strewn about the home. Investigators also found several items inside the kitchen area, including pieces of white baggies, a Ziploc bag, a digital scale and two knives.
Quote:Clarke's father found the couple's bodies inside Straub's parents' Holland home, which is about 15 miles southwest of Toledo. The couple lived with Straub's parents, who were out of town on a Caribbean cruise for their 25th wedding anniversary, police said.
The search warrant also indicates authorities found a key, stamped with the numbers 5-4-4, under the body of Lisa Straub. Black and pink pants were found under her neck. Investigators also gathered DNA swabs from inside the home, according to the warrant.
Now, if LE are telling us that cell phone parts are strewn about, key is UNDER lisa's body, pink pants under her neck, etc...they would certainly say that cell phones were found on their chests!
I do not think the cell phone on the bodies is true, its just another red herring thrown out there to muddy the waters...
I will eat crow by the ton if there is an article saying that Lisa's uncle confirmed this..but i cannot find it..
(02-17-2011, 09:02 PM)netsleuth Wrote: Question on time of death. How can the time of death be between 1-4 am when the police arrived at about 1? Unless I remember the TOD incorrectly? Which ... is entirely possible. Anyone know?
The bodies were discovered at 3:50 AM
Also Imo rigamortis had begun to set in since Maytee or John Sr stated they were cold and he couldnt move their heads... So IMO I think they probably died around 12am.
Quote:What is the meaning of them having phones 'on their body' as well as
'phone parts all over the room' ?? Any ideas
MAYTEE said that the phone was on his chest, his body. NO ONE ELSE...MAYTEE said it.
The police said there were cell phone parts strewn across the room. they said nothing about phones being on either of the bodies.
Quote:See that that I bolded in your post? Last night Tiffany said she looked in through the side lights of the front door of Lisa's house and saw a closet open. Perhaps she also said that to Sherita who conveyed that to Maytee.
3. Go to the end of this video, specifically at 1:54 and look at the side lights at the front door
Okay, Tiff said last night that she looked thru the windows by the door, she said there are 2 big windows by the door..she did NOT say sidelights...if you look at the video, you can see the 2 big windows she said she looked thru..this is where she said the only light on was the one in stairwell. MAYTEE is the one that consistently says all the lights are on, cabinets open, etc.
We have to be careful about repeating stuff incorrectly cuz that's when things get all confused again. In my rather large post pages ago, I had put the stories told side by side. The ONLY discrepancy in Tiffs 911 call and the story she told here last night was the "I'll call ya back Tiff" VERY important piece of info. So, the question is...is did JC say that..or didn't he?? But the only thing we have publicly written or quoted as far as Tiff goes is the 911 call and what she posted here last night. When comparing the 2...JC saying I'll call ya later, is the discrepancy. I wonder if she just didn't say it on the 911 call cuz your upset, the moms screaming at you, blah, blah....or did she "remember" that little tidbit AFTER being basically eviserated in the press and online for "waiting" so long to call someone, and she just made it up to make herself look better? If the events and phone call went down as Tiff stated, I don't fault her at all for not calling anyone. Why in the world would you think something is wrong or someone needs to be called when a friend of yours tells you he'll call you back and says, Bro..what r u doin? It just became this HUGE deal because of what Maytee put out there....screaming, leave us alone, ransacked, lights and doors open, phones dropping, etc...
I do not believe that Maytee plotted her sons death, but I'm thinking more and more that her hand is in here somewhere...JMO of course.
I'm glad to see someone else has this straight!! My GOD, I get so frustrated when so much shit is being thrown out there, that Tiffany did NOT say, last night! I believe the night of the 911 call, when Maytee put Tiffany on the phone, it rattled Tiffany, & who would blame her ??? Maytee's telling everyone Tiffany set her son up...WTF, I'd been shaken also, by this time. I don't doubt there's a lot left out, by Tiffany, as far as the 911 call goes. Can you imagine trying to talk to the dispatcher, with Maytee, her husband, & some "military" relative, gawking at her... BTW, I also found it odd that Maytee made sure to tell the dispatcher, she was with someone in the military .... LMAO, was that suppose to make the dispatcher scared, or what?
My thoughts on mentioning the military person was more of way to justify her actions, like if this person in the military is in on this it can't be WRONG. Especially since the police were just there and said to leave, nothing was wrong.
(02-17-2011, 03:59 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Many many pages ago I asked "How did Maytee know that people used
a key inside a box" to get into the house. "I have seen them do it
many times."
That still bothers me. Under what circumstances has Maytee been to
the Straubs MANY TIMES.
Anyone know?
Exactly. Why in the hell would she have been at Lisa's house, let alone MANY TIMES? I call bullshit. She heard this from someone else.
Ask yourself this: Would Jocasta stalk Oedipus?
You talking his mother or his wife....both have the same name....
saves money on monograming your towels when one lover leaves and the new one moves in
That goes to show you how great our coroners are here in Lucas County to say they died between 1-4 AM....they could have died 10 minutes after they were found dead! Idiots. I know, I know, it's a timeframe..but still...IDIOTS.
(02-17-2011, 09:47 PM)kfran Wrote: Was JC involved at all in D. St. Clair's death? Was he there, was he a snitch in some way? Or were JC & St. Clair involved in some sort of deal together. Just wondering if their deaths are related?
Daniel St. Clair is not dead, he was involved w/ JC and another guy Quintwez Sanders for the two armed robberies but has since been released while Sanders is still incarcerated...unless I missed something??
(02-17-2011, 09:51 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: I think that Maytee was jealous of LS, personally. She had her "babiboi's" affection and attention. Even in the 911 calls it's like LS is an after thought. I don't think she would have given a second thought to having the Straub's house robbed, but I don't think she wanted her son dead. I think she has some serious mental issues and then mixed with the drugs, I don't think she has much rational thought. It just seems to me that everyone close to this murder knows more than they're saying and I'm not sure they're going to talk.
+1
Completely plausible, imo. Then again, so is some set up involving Tiffany. More than anything, though, I think it was premeditated murder, so that doesn't fit with someone planning a robbery.
(02-17-2011, 03:59 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Many many pages ago I asked "How did Maytee know that people used
a key inside a box" to get into the house. "I have seen them do it
many times."
That still bothers me. Under what circumstances has Maytee been to
the Straubs MANY TIMES.
Anyone know?
I don't know if any one answered u yet becuz every time I leave the house I get 10 pages behind. I have the same question. The straubs didn't care for Maytee even before the murders so if she went over there I can't imagine it would have been when the parents were home.
Family tells me that Johnny didn't get along with his mom and that he was trying to get away from her(one reason why he was staying at the Straubs. So I can't imagine that he invited her over. And why would a grown woman like that be over there several times? What would be the purpose? I also noted on the 2nd 911 call when Maytee and her cousin are driving over to the Straubs that Maytee says something to the effect "I think it's this street right here, Longacre" Wouldn't she know where it was if she had been over there several times? Maybe it was just dark out. It was like 2am or something. Just a thought.
Quote:I have spoke with M manys times and she NEVER said the cell phone was laying on his chest! Is this a positive statemant? Just curious! First Ive heard of this!
It is in one of the television or written records. Maybe the uncle's quote from
the most recent article
TotallyCurious....can you post a link to this tv or written article because the only person I heard say this was MAYTEE (unidentified female on 911 transcript) and if that is the ONLY place its said, we can't really use that as fact in any theory we have.
Quote:Newly released search warrants indicate the home was ransacked. Several items, including DVDs and cell phone parts, were found strewn about the home. Investigators also found several items inside the kitchen area, including pieces of white baggies, a Ziploc bag, a digital scale and two knives.
Quote:Clarke's father found the couple's bodies inside Straub's parents' Holland home, which is about 15 miles southwest of Toledo. The couple lived with Straub's parents, who were out of town on a Caribbean cruise for their 25th wedding anniversary, police said.
The search warrant also indicates authorities found a key, stamped with the numbers 5-4-4, under the body of Lisa Straub. Black and pink pants were found under her neck. Investigators also gathered DNA swabs from inside the home, according to the warrant.
Now, if LE are telling us that cell phone parts are strewn about, key is UNDER lisa's body, pink pants under her neck, etc...they would certainly say that cell phones were found on their chests!
I do not think the cell phone on the bodies is true, its just another red herring thrown out there to muddy the waters...
I will eat crow by the ton if there is an article saying that Lisa's uncle confirmed this..but i cannot find it..
It WAS Maytee who said phones on the bodies and I chalk it up to her (understandable) hysteria.
Quote:What is the meaning of them having phones 'on their body' as well as
'phone parts all over the room' ?? Any ideas
MAYTEE said that the phone was on his chest, his body. NO ONE ELSE...MAYTEE said it.
The police said there were cell phone parts strewn across the room. they said nothing about phones being on either of the bodies.
Quote:See that that I bolded in your post? Last night Tiffany said she looked in through the side lights of the front door of Lisa's house and saw a closet open. Perhaps she also said that to Sherita who conveyed that to Maytee.
3. Go to the end of this video, specifically at 1:54 and look at the side lights at the front door
Okay, Tiff said last night that she looked thru the windows by the door, she said there are 2 big windows by the door..she did NOT say sidelights...if you look at the video, you can see the 2 big windows she said she looked thru..this is where she said the only light on was the one in stairwell. MAYTEE is the one that consistently says all the lights are on, cabinets open, etc.
We have to be careful about repeating stuff incorrectly cuz that's when things get all confused again. In my rather large post pages ago, I had put the stories told side by side. The ONLY discrepancy in Tiffs 911 call and the story she told here last night was the "I'll call ya back Tiff" VERY important piece of info. So, the question is...is did JC say that..or didn't he?? But the only thing we have publicly written or quoted as far as Tiff goes is the 911 call and what she posted here last night. When comparing the 2...JC saying I'll call ya later, is the discrepancy. I wonder if she just didn't say it on the 911 call cuz your upset, the moms screaming at you, blah, blah....or did she "remember" that little tidbit AFTER being basically eviserated in the press and online for "waiting" so long to call someone, and she just made it up to make herself look better? If the events and phone call went down as Tiff stated, I don't fault her at all for not calling anyone. Why in the world would you think something is wrong or someone needs to be called when a friend of yours tells you he'll call you back and says, Bro..what r u doin? It just became this HUGE deal because of what Maytee put out there....screaming, leave us alone, ransacked, lights and doors open, phones dropping, etc...
I do not believe that Maytee plotted her sons death, but I'm thinking more and more that her hand is in here somewhere...JMO of course.
I'm glad to see someone else has this straight!! My GOD, I get so frustrated when so much shit is being thrown out there, that Tiffany did NOT say, last night! I believe the night of the 911 call, when Maytee put Tiffany on the phone, it rattled Tiffany, & who would blame her ??? Maytee's telling everyone Tiffany set her son up...WTF, I'd been shaken also, by this time. I don't doubt there's a lot left out, by Tiffany, as far as the 911 call goes. Can you imagine trying to talk to the dispatcher, with Maytee, her husband, & some "military" relative, gawking at her... BTW, I also found it odd that Maytee made sure to tell the dispatcher, she was with someone in the military .... LMAO, was that suppose to make the dispatcher scared, or what?
My thoughts on mentioning the military person was more of way to justify her actions, like if this person in the military is in on this it can't be WRONG. Especially since the police were just there and said to leave, nothing was wrong.
Agree. It was like saying, "I have a professional with me".
(02-17-2011, 09:51 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: I think that Maytee was jealous of LS, personally. She had her "babiboi's" affection and attention. Even in the 911 calls it's like LS is an after thought. I don't think she would have given a second thought to having the Straub's house robbed, but I don't think she wanted her son dead. I think she has some serious mental issues and then mixed with the drugs, I don't think she has much rational thought. It just seems to me that everyone close to this murder knows more than they're saying and I'm not sure they're going to talk.
Totally plausible.
"The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw
(02-17-2011, 03:59 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Many many pages ago I asked "How did Maytee know that people used
a key inside a box" to get into the house. "I have seen them do it
many times."
That still bothers me. Under what circumstances has Maytee been to
the Straubs MANY TIMES.
Anyone know?
I don't know if any one answered u yet becuz every time I leave the house I get 10 pages behind. I have the same question. The straubs didn't care for Maytee even before the murders so if she went over there I can't imagine it would have been when the parents were home.
Family tells me that Johnny didn't get along with his mom and that he was trying to get away from her(one reason why he was staying at the Straubs. So I can't imagine that he invited her over. And why would a grown woman like that be over there several times? What would be the purpose? I also noted on the 2nd 911 call when Maytee and her cousin are driving over to the Straubs that Maytee says something to the effect "I think it's this street right here, Longacre" Wouldn't she know where it was if she had been over there several times? Maybe it was just dark out. It was like 2am or something. Just a thought.
I think Maytee HEARD about this key, although not sure why she would lie & say she's seen them use it, & knew where it was. I'm guessing that MIGHT be a question LE asked her..?
That goes to show you how great our coroners are here in Lucas County to say they died between 1-4 AM....they could have died 10 minutes after they were found dead! Idiots. I know, I know, it's a timeframe..but still...IDIOTS.
I'm back briefly after finding this info too Jash.
I have to say, this TOD thing concerns me. Couldn't getting the time of death wrong, F up an entire investigation? Especially in this case. It seems the hours between 11-1 are crucial, depending. If the 1-4 time frame is accurate, TW couldn't be involved. If it's not, we're back to square one.
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