hi. i'm new to posting here but as a toledo native, i've been following the case from the start. my family knew the straubs when i was very young (i am not claiming to know them well enough to answer and questions about them) and the case is truly a sad one. as others have said, once i found Mock i have not read much else... you truly do run a wonderful site.
so... i am pretty sure that i've read the majority of the thread BUT if i did indeed miss something that's already been discussed, i apologize.
there is something i'm very curious about... on the 31^st my mom sent me a link to the story the blade had on their site. (i for the life of my cannot find a working copy of it now!) it was basically just a cover of the general story... what happened etc. but there was a girl that was at the house and quoted in the article. i do not remember word for word what she said but basically that she had received a facebook message from LS late the night before saying she wanted her to come over and hang out. i think she said she noticed the messages in the morning but then couldn't get in touch with LS so she stopped over at the house and then when hearing about the murder feared that it had been LS that was one of the victims. this girl said she and LS grew up together. i'm not saying she had anything to do with the murder but i haven't heard anything about this girl since. i'm just wondering if anyone else knows anything about this. it seems strange she received facebook messages from LS late the night of the murder about coming over if TW and Z were the only ones going over there. unless she meant she got them the previous night when they had supposedly had a party.
does anyone know anything about this or have a link or copy of that article where she is mentioned?

thanks for having me on mock!

(02-18-2011, 11:29 AM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:24 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: Also...please ask about the cell phones . were they placed on either or both of the bodies?

I wouldn't put too much into the statement on cell phones. Maytee said it while screaming at an inept 911 operator who was asking dip-shit questions.

the reason i bring it up again is its in the same conversation as "finding LS topless. Trying to to measure its veracity.

(02-18-2011, 11:49 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:06 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:57 AM)grey sweat pants Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:51 AM)aileen Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:37 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: hi...it would be easier for us to follow if you would quote the person you are replying to...thanks~~
and i agree Lisa's uncle has some smarts about what he should reveal.

My only concern with Lisa's uncle, is that in his latest interview he mentioned that they had some people willing to contribute big money to the reward fund, if needed. Now why would you put that out there?? Wouldn't you think that would make someone hold off on confessing/snitching?? Certainly they would be happy with 10K, but why bother when they now know they can hold out for BIGGER money????

This concerned me.

It shouldn't. Money is a strong motivator. More money may get someone to tell what they know. It's was held out there like a carrot on a stick.

I agree with Aileen. I had to shake my head when I heard him say that. Yes money is a strong motivator, which is the reason for the reward to begin with BUT why would someone tell all they know when hearing that if they wait a bit longer they stand to gain more with their information. He should have either left that part out or announced that the pot had officially been raised. Now I believe that if there is a person with info willing to come forward they will wait for the reward to increase.

maybe LS uncle should have announced that police have received some calls offering information in attempts to claim the reward money" that may get one perp riled up thinking "hey i'M getting sold out for 10k...maybe i should flip for that 10k on someone else first.

Curious to what LC thinks about this...do you think it was some tactic, or information he shouldn't have brought up?

(02-18-2011, 11:53 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote: hi. i'm new to posting here but as a toledo native, i've been following the case from the start. my family knew the straubs when i was very young (i am not claiming to know them well enough to answer and questions about them) and the case is truly a sad one. as others have said, once i found Mock i have not read much else... you truly do run a wonderful site.
so... i am pretty sure that i've read the majority of the thread BUT if i did indeed miss something that's already been discussed, i apologize.
there is something i'm very curious about... on the 31^st my mom sent me a link to the story the blade had on their site. (i for the life of my cannot find a working copy of it now!) it was basically just a cover of the general story... what happened etc. but there was a girl that was at the house and quoted in the article. i do not remember word for word what she said but basically that she had received a facebook message from LS late the night before saying she wanted her to come over and hang out. i think she said she noticed the messages in the morning but then couldn't get in touch with LS so she stopped over at the house and then when hearing about the murder feared that it had been LS that was one of the victims. this girl said she and LS grew up together. i'm not saying she had anything to do with the murder but i haven't heard anything about this girl since. i'm just wondering if anyone else knows anything about this. it seems strange she received facebook messages from LS late the night of the murder about coming over if TW and Z were the only ones going over there. unless she meant she got them the previous night when they had supposedly had a party.
does anyone know anything about this or have a link or copy of that article where she is mentioned?

thanks for having me on mock!

I believe the girl (a neighbor) was on the news. She made a general statement about getting a message about gathering with LS soon. I don't think it was a "come over tonight" invite, but I could be wrong.

(02-18-2011, 11:55 AM)aileen Wrote: Curious to what LC thinks about this...do you think it was some tactic, or information he shouldn't have brought up?

I'm not LC. But I wonder if they want the perps to get comfortable.

(02-18-2011, 11:57 AM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:53 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote: hi. i'm new to posting here but as a toledo native, i've been following the case from the start. my family knew the straubs when i was very young (i am not claiming to know them well enough to answer and questions about them) and the case is truly a sad one. as others have said, once i found Mock i have not read much else... you truly do run a wonderful site.
so... i am pretty sure that i've read the majority of the thread BUT if i did indeed miss something that's already been discussed, i apologize.
there is something i'm very curious about... on the 31^st my mom sent me a link to the story the blade had on their site. (i for the life of my cannot find a working copy of it now!) it was basically just a cover of the general story... what happened etc. but there was a girl that was at the house and quoted in the article. i do not remember word for word what she said but basically that she had received a facebook message from LS late the night before saying she wanted her to come over and hang out. i think she said she noticed the messages in the morning but then couldn't get in touch with LS so she stopped over at the house and then when hearing about the murder feared that it had been LS that was one of the victims. this girl said she and LS grew up together. i'm not saying she had anything to do with the murder but i haven't heard anything about this girl since. i'm just wondering if anyone else knows anything about this. it seems strange she received facebook messages from LS late the night of the murder about coming over if TW and Z were the only ones going over there. unless she meant she got them the previous night when they had supposedly had a party.
does anyone know anything about this or have a link or copy of that article where she is mentioned?

thanks for having me on mock!

I believe the girl (a neighbor) was on the news. She made a general statement about getting a message about gathering with LS soon. I don't think it was a "come over tonight" invite, but I could be wrong.

thank you. i feel like i remember her being quoted that she received the message "late at night". do you recall such a thing being said? it probably doesn't matter, i guess i was just curious.

(02-18-2011, 11:57 AM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:53 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote: hi. i'm new to posting here but as a toledo native, i've been following the case from the start. my family knew the straubs when i was very young (i am not claiming to know them well enough to answer and questions about them) and the case is truly a sad one. as others have said, once i found Mock i have not read much else... you truly do run a wonderful site.
so... i am pretty sure that i've read the majority of the thread BUT if i did indeed miss something that's already been discussed, i apologize.
there is something i'm very curious about... on the 31^st my mom sent me a link to the story the blade had on their site. (i for the life of my cannot find a working copy of it now!) it was basically just a cover of the general story... what happened etc. but there was a girl that was at the house and quoted in the article. i do not remember word for word what she said but basically that she had received a facebook message from LS late the night before saying she wanted her to come over and hang out. i think she said she noticed the messages in the morning but then couldn't get in touch with LS so she stopped over at the house and then when hearing about the murder feared that it had been LS that was one of the victims. this girl said she and LS grew up together. i'm not saying she had anything to do with the murder but i haven't heard anything about this girl since. i'm just wondering if anyone else knows anything about this. it seems strange she received facebook messages from LS late the night of the murder about coming over if TW and Z were the only ones going over there. unless she meant she got them the previous night when they had supposedly had a party.
does anyone know anything about this or have a link or copy of that article where she is mentioned?

thanks for having me on mock!

I believe the girl (a neighbor) was on the news. She made a general statement about getting a message about gathering with LS soon. I don't think it was a "come over tonight" invite, but I could be wrong.

Yes, I saw the girl too, SM, and I have to agree with Netsleuth she just said she had received a FB message from LS and didn't reveal the content.

(02-17-2011, 11:36 PM)Jane Wrote: I searched out, how long would it take to die, with a plastic bag over your head. Worded it other ways too, but it pretty much comes up with, anywhere betw 5 to 7-8 minutes. You lose consciousness first, then as the brain is more deprived, death comes fairly soon, after that.

Wow! What kind of person/people can watch someone suffer for that long?? Makes me sick!

(02-18-2011, 12:02 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote: thank you. i feel like i remember her being quoted that she received the message "late at night". do you recall such a thing being said? it probably doesn't matter, i guess i was just curious.

I recall it was briefly discussed here but I don't recall specifics as to when the so called late night message occurred, sorry.

(02-18-2011, 12:05 PM)trixie Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 11:36 PM)Jane Wrote: I searched out, how long would it take to die, with a plastic bag over your head. Worded it other ways too, but it pretty much comes up with, anywhere betw 5 to 7-8 minutes. You lose consciousness first, then as the brain is more deprived, death comes fairly soon, after that.

Wow! What kind of person/people can watch someone suffer for that long?? Makes me sick!

Someone who enjoys "Horrorcore" --- up close and personal like. Yes, twisted. I hope they're all having nightmares.

(02-18-2011, 12:04 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:57 AM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:53 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote: hi. i'm new to posting here but as a toledo native, i've been following the case from the start. my family knew the straubs when i was very young (i am not claiming to know them well enough to answer and questions about them) and the case is truly a sad one. as others have said, once i found Mock i have not read much else... you truly do run a wonderful site.
so... i am pretty sure that i've read the majority of the thread BUT if i did indeed miss something that's already been discussed, i apologize.
there is something i'm very curious about... on the 31^st my mom sent me a link to the story the blade had on their site. (i for the life of my cannot find a working copy of it now!) it was basically just a cover of the general story... what happened etc. but there was a girl that was at the house and quoted in the article. i do not remember word for word what she said but basically that she had received a facebook message from LS late the night before saying she wanted her to come over and hang out. i think she said she noticed the messages in the morning but then couldn't get in touch with LS so she stopped over at the house and then when hearing about the murder feared that it had been LS that was one of the victims. this girl said she and LS grew up together. i'm not saying she had anything to do with the murder but i haven't heard anything about this girl since. i'm just wondering if anyone else knows anything about this. it seems strange she received facebook messages from LS late the night of the murder about coming over if TW and Z were the only ones going over there. unless she meant she got them the previous night when they had supposedly had a party.
does anyone know anything about this or have a link or copy of that article where she is mentioned?

thanks for having me on mock!

I believe the girl (a neighbor) was on the news. She made a general statement about getting a message about gathering with LS soon. I don't think it was a "come over tonight" invite, but I could be wrong.

Yes, I saw the girl too, SM, and I have to agree with Netsleuth she just said she had received a FB message from LS and didn't reveal the content.

thanks to you both! i guess either my memory is not working correctly, i made assumptions based on what i read or another likely possibility... The Blade worded things differently than the news report! it doesn't always have the best reputation of being extremely accurate. ha!

(02-18-2011, 11:54 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:29 AM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:24 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: Also...please ask about the cell phones . were they placed on either or both of the bodies?

I wouldn't put too much into the statement on cell phones. Maytee said it while screaming at an inept 911 operator who was asking dip-shit questions.

the reason i bring it up again is its in the same conversation as "finding LS topless. Trying to to measure its veracity.

I believe she may have said "he's (Johnny is) shirtless" and people thought she said "she's shirtless"? I could be wrong, but that's what I gathered after listening to the 911 call. The call was chaotic and had some background static, so it's difficult to say if MV said he or she. But I'm guessing she said "he" as in Johnny given the reports are conflicting.

(02-18-2011, 11:53 AM)HeartBreaker Wrote: hi. i'm new to posting here but as a toledo native, i've been following the case from the start. my family knew the straubs when i was very young (i am not claiming to know them well enough to answer and questions about them) and the case is truly a sad one. as others have said, once i found Mock i have not read much else... you truly do run a wonderful site.
so... i am pretty sure that i've read the majority of the thread BUT if i did indeed miss something that's already been discussed, i apologize.
there is something i'm very curious about... on the 31^st my mom sent me a link to the story the blade had on their site. (i for the life of my cannot find a working copy of it now!) it was basically just a cover of the general story... what happened etc. but there was a girl that was at the house and quoted in the article. i do not remember word for word what she said but basically that she had received a facebook message from LS late the night before saying she wanted her to come over and hang out. i think she said she noticed the messages in the morning but then couldn't get in touch with LS so she stopped over at the house and then when hearing about the murder feared that it had been LS that was one of the victims. this girl said she and LS grew up together. i'm not saying she had anything to do with the murder but i haven't heard anything about this girl since. i'm just wondering if anyone else knows anything about this. it seems strange she received facebook messages from LS late the night of the murder about coming over if TW and Z were the only ones going over there. unless she meant she got them the previous night when they had supposedly had a party.
does anyone know anything about this or have a link or copy of that article where she is mentioned?

thanks for having me on mock!

I think it was there at one point and then removed. Here's a bit from a google search:

Authorities investigate double homicide of young man, woman in ...
Jan 31, 2011... described herself as a longtime friend of 20-year-old Lisa Straub, ... She said Lisa had left a message on her Facebook page sometime ...
www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110131/... - Cached

The cached file is no longer there. The article with that ID# is accessible but no longer contains that part of the story. I wonder if LE asked them to remove it for some reason.

(02-18-2011, 02:30 AM)netsleuth Wrote: Quickly. Regarding the debate over Lisa's state of dress etc. I think Maytee said "he's shirtless" vs. she's shirtless, meaning Johnny didn't have his shirt on. That was my take after listening to the 911 calls. I may be wrong, but I thought her comment could be taken either way. Of course, I defer to those with inside information on this. Just tossing out the possibility.

Once again, my heart goes out to the family and friends of Johnny and Lisa, who may be reading here.

I foolishly keep checking in, in hopes of reading someone has been arrested.

That's what I thought it said too!

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"thanks to you both! i guess either my memory is not working correctly, i made assumptions based on what i read or another likely possibility... The Blade worded things differently than the news report! it doesn't always have the best reputation of being extremely accurate. ha!
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Heartbreaker: If you go to page 1 of this thread, ³⁄₄ down the page there is a video of the Lady Police officer, and Lisa's friend is on that video, at the end talking about the FB message. That's the only place I've seen the friend.

this may also be insignificant but i found it interesting. there was a girl that posted to the RIP johnny site on wednesday that said "i need you here. it was supposed to be us in the future. i love u. this song describes how i feel. i'll never be the same. i lost my other half." it could be NOTHING (just an old girlfriend remembering someone important to her)... but it made me consider the possibility that LS and JC didn't have the good relationship that has been claimed by a few people. maybe he wasn't a one woman man? could meet with the possibility of a "jealousy" motive. we haven't really heard or talked about that as a possibility... was JC a "faithful" boyfriend? anyone know?

(02-18-2011, 09:38 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: NOTICE TO OWNER OF JUSTICE FOR JOHNNY FACEBOOK PAGE:
ALL POSTS IN MY CRIME FORUM ARE COPYRIGHTED. reproduce them without attribution at your own risk.

i have complained to Facebook, step #1.

(02-18-2011, 12:29 PM)trixie Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 09:38 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: NOTICE TO OWNER OF JUSTICE FOR JOHNNY FACEBOOK PAGE:
ALL POSTS IN MY CRIME FORUM ARE COPYRIGHTED. reproduce them without attribution at your own risk.

i have complained to Facebook, step #1.

Did anyone read all those answers she has there by TW? It looks like she took them from here and even EDITED some of them...OMG!

(02-18-2011, 12:34 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: It looks like she took them from here and even EDITED some of them...OMG!

She did & a formal complaint has been lodged against her.

(02-18-2011, 12:38 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 12:34 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: It looks like she took them from here and even EDITED some of them...OMG!

She did & a formal complaint has been lodged against her.

The site is back up without the questions and answers and no mention of this site at all that I can find anyway.