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I don't think JC&LS were planning on picking up TW&friends to bring them back to Lisa's place to party. First of all, if they pick them up, then they're going to have to take them home later too. And out of all JC&LS's friends - these are the people they wanted to hang out with? It doesn't sound like they even knew them that well. I'm more likely to believe that if JC&LS were headed over that way, it was to make a delivery - hence, why the scales and baggies were out.

Lastly, LS doesn't seem like they type to be OK with "partying" with an obviously pregnant chick.

(02-19-2011, 01:05 AM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:53 AM)DickTracy Wrote: The minor friend that TW was with that night is friends with JC's Aunt on fb.. (someone correct me if I am wrong).

Aunt Maggie? She does have a son about the right age. Which would be Johnny's primo or cuz depending. So I would not be surprised. But I have not seen ZBs fb.

Yes, Aunt Maggie. Thank you.

(02-18-2011, 08:57 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 08:52 PM)sharit Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:23 AM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:28 AM)sharit Wrote: jc and ls must have parked in driveway and probably left garage door up. perps came in as ls was changing out of her uniform.and shut garage door jmo. and just coincidence tiff calls to see if they are home yet. then give the signal. they are there!JMO! in my heart i feel she is involved,again just MY opinion. you can bet all players are being watched closely. i do not think it was tiffany here posting.jmo

Sharit, whoever posted was invited here privately ala TW's Facebook account. I think it was her and/or her boyfriend posting here.

Really

My poor sentence structure aside, yes. A mock member invited her to share her side of the story. So, unless someone hacked TW's facebook, or had access, it was her.

which member?

(02-19-2011, 01:24 AM)sharit Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 08:57 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 08:52 PM)sharit Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:23 AM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 10:28 AM)sharit Wrote: jc and ls must have parked in driveway and probably left garage door up. perps came in as ls was changing out of her uniform.and shut garage door jmo. and just coincidence tiff calls to see if they are home yet. then give the signal. they are there!JMO! in my heart i feel she is involved,again just MY opinion. you can bet all players are being watched closely. i do not think it was tiffany here posting.jmo

Sharit, whoever posted was invited here privately ala TW's Facebook account. I think it was her and/or her boyfriend posting here.

Really

My poor sentence structure aside, yes. A mock member invited her to share her side of the story. So, unless someone hacked TW's facebook, or had access, it was her.

which member?

JsMom invited TW

(02-19-2011, 01:05 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:33 AM)NightOwl Wrote: Spotted this on Facebook one of Lisa's friends and also a friend of BD wonder what the "sum" is?




"iam tired of answerinn my phonee and herin bad newss.. godd what did she doo..the last words she said to me wass thankss be safee and ill call you tonight if me and johhny do sum..i saidd ok both yal be saafee. have a good nightt.. r.i.p lisaa like my liil sis"
January 31 at 12:44pm via Mobile Web.



"my word of advice for yall ...chill out"

February 1 at 12:01pm via Mobile Web.

Link?

By chance I saw his statement 31^st Jan., Facebook wall the name stayed with me looking around Lisa's Facebook and eventually I found out this BD was her ex boyfriend and guess what he has the same friend as Lisa but, none of this is uncommon - so many have 1000 friends even - its really wild. All you can do is make notes jot things down its hard with initials. I do have the initials. Thanks!

(02-18-2011, 11:49 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 08:31 PM)sharit Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 03:03 AM)NightOwl Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 10:20 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 09:56 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Is anyone besides me squeaked by the photos of M and J here?
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?tab=3#!...57&theater

Not really but look at this

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=52...57&theater

Does that tattoo say Maytee?

YES IT DOES/. i said that along time ago. guess no one reads my posts.

How observant! Good Post! Maytee means "loveable" in Basque language. Cuban mothers are very loving with their sons!

I read your posts!

I'm always many pages behind.

thank you shitstorm, me too

(02-19-2011, 01:16 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: I don't think JC&LS were planning on picking up TW&friends to bring them back to Lisa's place to party. First of all, if they pick them up, then they're going to have to take them home later too. And out of all JC&LS's friends - these are the people they wanted to hang out with? It doesn't sound like they even knew them that well. I'm more likely to believe that if JC&LS were headed over that way, it was to make a delivery - hence, why the scales and baggies were out.

Lastly, LS doesn't seem like they type to be OK with "partying" with an obviously pregnant chick.

you make a damn good point. that thought has crossed my mind as well.

(02-19-2011, 01:15 AM)kitty1 Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 01:09 AM)shitstorm Wrote: I don't know how in the hell you guys keep all of these initials and FB pages & friends straight.

Thanks!! I really needed someone else to feel the same way. It makes me feel old! :wheelchair::wheelchair:

lol

I need flow charts.

(02-19-2011, 01:15 AM)kitty1 Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 01:09 AM)shitstorm Wrote: I don't know how in the hell you guys keep all of these initials and FB pages & friends straight.

Thanks!! I really needed someone else to feel the same way. It makes me feel old! :wheelchair::wheelchair:

you don't have to use initials for people whose names are public information! i've been wondering why everyone has been! that would be another forum out there.
people NOT named in mainstream media, principals to case, or minors, yes we are leaving their names out. the major players, yes, use their names. it's coy to do otherwise.

netsleuth brought it to my attention i misspelled "apropos" in an earlier post. (i doubled the P) i sure did, i hit the 'P' key twice rather than only once.

i won't however, spend pages trying to justify my typo by citing historic facts that have no bearing on my error or claiming my typo has roots in an ancient Brazilian tribe deep in the rainforest. . it's a boo-boo!

further she proclaimed she wanted her name banned here. she's never coming back.

again.

in view of that i wish to mention:
we don't delete/ban names. even the damned/banned are still named in the roster of illustrious Mockers, past and present. your presence is engraved in alabaster. and inscribed in the mists of time for all eternity.

carry on Mockers!
excuse the interruption

Hi Netsleuth!

I too thought about the pants, in regards to strangulation as well. Because there is some confusion over the fact that LS may have been partially dressed or fully dressed- with that to consider, I wondered too, if she could of been in the process of changing clothes at the time of the attack.

Perhaps someone here can answer the question on the time it takes for evidence to process. My guess is it would depend on the type of evidence- trace, fiber... actual DNA, the amount of DNA available to sample, and the type of testing that will be done on the DNA.

For DNA, they will most likely need to run analysis on the victims as well, and perhaps the family members as well, to determine that it came from an outside source, not identified.
Perhaps another poster as more specifics on the timing of this?

There are also phone records to consider, as I am sure they will be investigating the calls to the victims cell phones, and even the phone records of the people who had calls to, and from, the victims- and cell phone pings could determine a great deal of information, especially in regards to the "friend" who had been on the phone with one of the victims.

One thing of interest, would be her cell phone location at the time she was on the phone with one of the victims, and since she reported that she went to the home, and noticed it was ransacked, I would imagine they would want to look at the cell phone pings, to determine, if and when, that in fact happened. Regretfully, I have no idea how long it would take to collect this type of cell phone information, anyone know more about this?

Just want to hit on this,because there is a security system doesn't mean it was used.There is a dog or puppy mentioned in this crime.The dog or pup was under the couch? I think.If motion senses were in the house and pet is left loose maybe the security book was being read by johnny and lisa to bypass the sensors,maybe didn't work so they didn't bother to set the alarm.Maybe they didn't feel threatened by anyone so they felt safe to leave it off.Wonder if the dog was tasered or injured could have happened before they came home.I guess LE will look at security history.This is just my thoughts.

I won't presume to know what their security system is but, I have security & if the wires were cut on it the cops would be screaming down my road in a matter of moments.

First time posting... So bear with me... I live in the area of these murders... And I am surprised how little news we are hearing. Word is there has been an arrest, but I am unable to verify that right now. I don't want to post anything that has not been substantiated. But, will as soon as I hear factual information, I will. I have an opinion on this, as you all do too... But am not comfortable posting it yet...

All of this is just speculation on my part- and its only what I "think" could of happened, but my idea is,that the "friend" if involved in setting a robbery up, called the couple, and needed a ride.Hypothetically speaking- If the victims had stated that they were on their way out the door now, or, that they were leaving in a few minutes, once the call ended, this information could of been relayed, to the person (s) that were going to rob the house- who I imagine would of been parked nearby.

If there was any delay in the victims leaving as quickly as they said they had planned to leave- the killers may have arrived, before they had left, or while they were leaving.

Without knowing the exact plans that were made between the victim, and their 'friend" there is much to speculate, and few facts to look at.

It has been stated that the victim usually changed from her work uniform, right after work- could she of left work later than she was scheduled? That would be interesting to know, but at this point, I have not located anything stating what time she left work, unless there is something I have missed.

So the idea behind that theory, is they may not of been expected to be there, but for whatever reason, had not left the home at the time, the perps expected them to be gone.

Just my thoughts, and I could totally be off the mark.

OMG Lady Cop, that's why I stopped posting, it was time to take a break but guess what? You know I just had to come back, once you go Mock, you don't go back!!

(02-18-2011, 06:54 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: EastKat: unknown person arguing with LC


no no no hahahahahaha

well now that our link is out there, and it's friday night to boot...buckle up Mockers!

:come and join us:

Welcome! I am new too, so you are not alone. This was a horrible crime, and these two victims, their families and friends, all deserve to see justice for this. I pray you are right, and there has been an arrest!

(02-18-2011, 08:45 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 08:40 PM)onefortheroad Wrote: Well thought out post, Snoopy. Do you have any thoughts about what the robbers were after? I disagree with you on one point though, which is that I think the perps were long gone by the time the alarm was raised so there was no possibility they'd be interrupted during a wellbeing check.

Agree with this too onefortheroad.

On the matter of the key, could that be the door key MT said was kept in the box? Perhaps Lisa had it in her hand when she was attacked?

(02-18-2011, 08:50 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 08:45 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 08:40 PM)onefortheroad Wrote: Well thought out post, Snoopy. Do you have any thoughts about what the robbers were after? I disagree with you on one point though, which is that I think the perps were long gone by the time the alarm was raised so there was no possibility they'd be interrupted during a wellbeing check.

Agree with this too onefortheroad.

On the matter of the key, could that be the door key MT said was kept in the box? Perhaps Lisa had it in her hand when she was attacked?

Or the perps entered the house with the key, & during the struggle, it was dropped.

I believe it was surmised that the key actually went to the security system, if you check back in the posts.

(02-19-2011, 01:04 AM)JustSayin... Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:12 PM)LoserCity Wrote: I don't think she was smart enough to text and call, but I think her friends who are all robbery experts (according to their rap sheets) have been around the block enough to know what needs to happen to establish an alilbi. She was coached. A willing participant, but coached (IMHO).

Bottom line is that if TW is innocent of any involvement, she needs to stop playing games and state the REAL reason she was meeting/hanging out/talking to JC that night. She makes no quams about posting things like "Let him flip a lil money first" on her FB page, and making it very well known that she's ready to "get down" and "beat dat ass" even at 4 months prego. She is thug enough to put her business out there on FB, so why not here. Its not like they can take her kids away or anything. IMO TW was there to buy or sell from JC. If it was a mere business transaction and nothing more, than say so! It will end a lot of confustion and maybe give her a little more credibility since she won't be so worried about trying to fill in the gaps of her story.

I do not think we can blame TW for the way she acts. She is a product of her environment. Of a crappy city that is one of the "most miserable places to live" according to a recent survey.

Just for the record. Toledo is not the horrible city it is portrayed as in the media. There are rough neighborhoods, and great neighborhoods. Some of the nicest areas are in the South End. Plenty of families are raising good, intelligent, law abiding citizens in Toledo. There is no excuse for B&E and armed robbery!!!

I don't want to make this an arguing point, but I will respectfully disagree. I know from experience - growing up in a "REALLY great neighborhood" that was still plagued with drugs and crime. The crime to pay for the drugs mainly. But the lack of oppportunity - jobs and REAL services to help people who are doing drugs, or need work, is what makes Toledo dismal at best. "Little Detroit" is exactly that. I am sorry if that is offensive to people who still live there.
You are right, there is no excuse for armed robbery. It happens everywhere, and it is very sad that it happens every day.