(02-19-2011, 12:09 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:30 AM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:00 AM)kfran Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:11 AM)Adub Wrote:

(02-18-2011, 11:50 PM)LoserCity Wrote: ahhh....so what's with using all the 3's in some writing? I think TW's death space page was like this.

I found it interesting too that DC and his friends are wearing blue in each of their photos yet in many of TWs FB posts she says things like "wat up blood?" I don't know anything about this stuff, so it may be nothing, but TW also had a video posted at one time on DS that was called Blood Walk or something to that effect.

Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

I'm just saying bloods don't use the letter c. Instead they use a 3. Just like crips don't use the letter b. Anything I know comes from gang education classes given by a Gang Task Force. I had to do the training for my job. Where I live the gangs are more defined. Toledo is all mixed up it seems. More tolerant of others maybe? Who knows.

If this is related to gangs then I would look to Johnny's neighborhood before he went to prison. Who was he hanging with then versus after he got out.

Gangs and drugs go together for sure. Such as selling them. And if you are not living the gang lifestyle and you're involved in selling drugs you can get in deep shit. Especially if you take business away for known drug dealing gangsters. The scales in the kitchen say something, imo. And the baggies. And it don't say Percocet.

So Johnny had just recently started hanging out with his childhood friends again. When was the Pro Bowl?

You make some good points, and the killings would have sent a sharp message to Johnny's gang, if he was in one. Tiffany's 'fallen soldier' was a Blood, and so is her current BF (AG, I think, though I gather she gets it on with ZB too). That would make her a Blood too or at least show where her loyalties lie.

I know I'm fixated on TW, but there's no way it was just coincidence that she was there on the night of the murders.

Does anyone know if John Clarke Sr was part of a gang?

Someone posted something, & the more I think about it, I really think they're probably right. (sorry, I can't remember who posted it, or I'd give credit) Anyway, I think it's very possible, TW wasn't going anywhere with Johnny & Lisa, that night. I think they were taking dope to TW ???. I can understand her making up a story about playing pool, IF this is the case. She's not going to come out & say 'yeah, Johnny was coming over to drop off some weed' (or whatever) .. JMO

(02-19-2011, 02:08 PM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote: The problem is (IMO) there are so many FB friends of friends of friends that are connected that there is no way you can determine anything going off who's friends with who. Believe me, I have creeped on so many of this one and that one that I could fill up a flow chart the size of Ohio with connections. What I have observed is this, at one point in time, the friends that TW had while she was with/around Donald aren't too close to her anymore. She admits that after Donald died she had an addiction to percocets but was planning to get her life back together again. She has 3 kids, not living with her, all from different dads, 2 of which she had very young and one as you all know is Donalds and is currently prego with AP/AG's. She seems to have ok correspondence with the other daddys. I don't see anything proving that she was friends/close or even knew Johnny and/or back when she was with Donald but I'm sure they were aware of each other as both crowds know one or more friends of friends but clearly TW's crowd is tough/gang related/bad guys. They may have been bloods but I've seen alot of "goon" talk...is there a gang named goons? or is that a gang member term?

Interesting is that Lisa's co-workers hardly knew Johnny..they loved her, thought she was happy but "didn't know her BF". Unfortuantely, I have not been able to find anything about RR, Johnny's best friend other than his family loved Johnny like another son. Also, some of the FB people you guys have mentioned on here (475 entertainment) have their own problems with other people it seems so just beaware that even though they have all the right info in their profiles doesn't mean they have anything to do with this case..not that I know for sure but according to the info I found they have enough problems elsewhere.

couple notes, ZB (if it's even the right ZB) works very close to the area, TGIF is (according to google) approximately 10 min, maybe 20 with traffic (someone familiar with the area would know better )away from Lisa's house...so if she got off at 10:00, and was still in her uniform at 11:00 (according to TW being on the phone with Johnny), that's an interesting timeline.

I have so much more to write but don't have time. I'm hoping there really was an arrest..my husband can't take me on this case much more. haha. I look forward to posts later this afternoon when I get home.

not sure how the term "goon" is being thrown around in what you've read but it is in the urban dictionary (several uses). here's the link and the first two definitions:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=goon

goon:
1. a real man or nigga
originated in flordia

2. Someone hired to rough someone up, usually someone big and dumb who commits acts of violence for money.

(02-19-2011, 12:49 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:30 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:25 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:09 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:30 AM)Adub Wrote: I'm just saying bloods don't use the letter c. Instead they use a 3. Just like crips don't use the letter b. Anything I know comes from gang education classes given by a Gang Task Force. I had to do the training for my job. Where I live the gangs are more defined. Toledo is all mixed up it seems. More tolerant of others maybe? Who knows.

If this is related to gangs then I would look to Johnny's neighborhood before he went to prison. Who was he hanging with then versus after he got out.

Gangs and drugs go together for sure. Such as selling them. And if you are not living the gang lifestyle and you're involved in selling drugs you can get in deep shit. Especially if you take business away for known drug dealing gangsters. The scales in the kitchen say something, imo. And the baggies. And it don't say Percocet.

So Johnny had just recently started hanging out with his childhood friends again. When was the Pro Bowl?

You make some good points, and the killings would have sent a sharp message to Johnny's gang, if he was in one. Tiffany's 'fallen soldier' was a Blood, and so is her current BF (AG, I think, though I gather she gets it on with ZB too). That would make her a Blood too or at least show where her loyalties lie.

I know I'm fixated on TW, but there's no way it was just coincidence that she was there on the night of the murders.

Does anyone know if John Clarke Sr was part of a gang?

No I don't. But he has a facebook with pictures. So if Johnny was trying to get his life straight, why hang out with Tiffany? What did she have to offer in the way of making positive changes in one's life? I look toward Tiffany for answers also. Enjoyed reading her comments on mock. And I do not think she set Johnny and Lisa up. I more or less accept her at face value. For whatever that is worth. And there are, understandably, somethings she ain't saying.

TW met them through the minor, ZB, who allegedly was into percocets heavily. JC was friends with the minor. I believe TW said that was how she met them, she met JC first and then met LS through, ZB and JC, at ZB's house.

I think the relationship runs deeper than ZB. I may be wrong. But one of Corrigans best buddies who has a RIP Corrigan pic as his fb photo (R.i.p. Donald 50 ckal) is closely tied in with Johnny's neighborhood friend that Johnny watched the ProBowl with on the Jan 30^th. And the photo for R.i.p. ckal includes all the "bros" posing gangster style. All the "bros" includes Johnny's old neighborhood friend that he watched the Pro Bowl with. So I do not think Tiffany needed ZB to meet anyone. Tiffany has been around for awile. And imo, ZB is a minor player.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Z is a minor player, in all of this.

(02-19-2011, 12:53 PM)sharit Wrote: i own a cleaning service and most all place that i clean have alarms. i have never seen 1 which uses a key, never. yes they do have logs and if wire were cut the security service would know this and send LE.once you enter building you have 45 seconds to disarm, or le will be on there way.

exactly. I'm not sure where the key being related to the security system came from, but I simply passed that by. I don't think the key had anything to do with the alarm system.

(02-19-2011, 01:43 PM)kfran Wrote: Would there be a point for coroner to do a toxicology report on JC & LS?
As far as TW being a heroin dealer, she surely doesn't use as she's a chunky monkey. It's hard to tell from physical appearances in the photos I've seen from FB w/JC & LS, but they look like healthy people. I guess that's one plus of percocet addiction, one doesn't look like they would if they were addicted to meth. Was JC also considered a user?

IMO-toxicology is warranted on LS and JC.

Was it ever said how Johnny and Lisa met?

(02-19-2011, 02:22 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:53 PM)sharit Wrote: i own a cleaning service and most all place that i clean have alarms. i have never seen 1 which uses a key, never. yes they do have logs and if wire were cut the security service would know this and send LE.once you enter building you have 45 seconds to disarm, or le will be on there way.

exactly. I'm not sure where the key being related to the security system came from, but I simply passed that by. I don't think the key had anything to do with the alarm system.

some safes require both a key and a code to be punched in (i don't know if they would have numbers on them or not). although it is being reported by the uncle that there was no safe so... ???

(02-19-2011, 02:27 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: Was it ever said how Johnny and Lisa met?

i have not heard that but it would be interesting to know.

(02-19-2011, 12:08 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 11:50 AM)truth be told Wrote: Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

you've got some good points about the family. i go back and forth about them several times a day. they are unquestionably strange (at least maytee is). i'm sure a lot of what she showed of herself after the murder was do to being "out of her mind with grief" but i think there is no denying that she is a bit on the crazy side. there is also no denying that the family has been mixed up in some trouble (at least in the past) judging from their wrap sheets. IMO she seems to be the type that tried to be a little over-involved in JC's life. what i can't decide is did maytee suspect something to be terribly wrong because she knew he was mixed up with trouble or because she knew trouble was brewing (even if it was just through the grapevine). do i think she wanted her son and lisa dead... NO. i however (judging from what i've discovered about her), would not put it past her to have the house robbed.
IMO she knows more than she's letting out publicly... even if it's just that johnny was not such "a good boy" and may have had some enemies. i can't understand not wanting to paint that picture for the public... but let's hope she's being totally honest with the police when questioned.

Anyone know how many of the suspicious people we are talking about here have actual jobs? (Maytee, Dad, TW, AG)?

(02-19-2011, 01:50 PM)Duchess Wrote:

When I still lived in my parents home & they would go out of town, I wouldn't invite just anyone & their brother over, I reserved my invitations for my closets friends...someone in their inner circle was aware Lisa's parents were out of town & were vocal about it, whether intentional or not, they were betrayed by someone close to them...Of course this opinion could change within an hour depending on what I read here.

yep, I'll go with that too. Not to keep harping on Maytee, BUT she knew the parents were out of town. I think it's possible she mentioned it to someone, maybe not even realizing the person/persons she told aren't 'good people' ???

(02-19-2011, 01:18 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: If I thought I was going to steal something I would not take a briefcase.
I would not take a wheel borrow. I would not take a rolling garbage can
to put in my car. I would not take a suitcase. I would take bags which I could secure well with tape, sling over my shoulder and effect an easy 'get away." That is my thought about the bags. They would easily carry drugs, bricks of..... money, supplies, cash. 'Cause that is what I
was looking for. I am good at it and have done it before and I will not
take a gun because should the people come home I don't want them
hurt, UNLESS I get orders to ice them once I am in there. Orders would
come because my informant gave me bogus information about this
scene. They ow me big, They wasted my time. They will pay. So simple.
And the informants had the security system cut off by the way.

Bags? What bags? I thought all they found where pieces of little "baggies" like the kind used for pot and drugs.

(02-19-2011, 02:08 PM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote: The problem is (IMO) there are so many FB friends of friends of friends that are connected that there is no way you can determine anything going off who's friends with who. Believe me, I have creeped on so many of this one and that one that I could fill up a flow chart the size of Ohio with connections. What I have observed is this, at one point in time, the friends that TW had while she was with/around Donald aren't too close to her anymore. She admits that after Donald died she had an addiction to percocets but was planning to get her life back together again. She has 3 kids, not living with her, all from different dads, 2 of which she had very young and one as you all know is Donalds and is currently prego with AP/AG's. She seems to have ok correspondence with the other daddys. I don't see anything proving that she was friends/close or even knew Johnny and/or back when she was with Donald but I'm sure they were aware of each other as both crowds know one or more friends of friends but clearly TW's crowd is tough/gang related/bad guys. They may have been bloods but I've seen alot of "goon" talk...is there a gang named goons? or is that a gang member term?

Interesting is that Lisa's co-workers hardly knew Johnny..they loved her, thought she was happy but "didn't know her BF". Unfortuantely, I have not been able to find anything about RR, Johnny's best friend other than his family loved Johnny like another son. Also, some of the FB people you guys have mentioned on here (475 entertainment) have their own problems with other people it seems so just beaware that even though they have all the right info in their profiles doesn't mean they have anything to do with this case..not that I know for sure but according to the info I found they have enough problems elsewhere.

couple notes, ZB (if it's even the right ZB) works very close to the area, TGIF is (according to google) approximately 10 min, maybe 20 with traffic (someone familiar with the area would know better )away from Lisa's house...so if she got off at 10:00, and was still in her uniform at 11:00 (according to TW being on the phone with Johnny), that's an interesting timeline.

I have so much more to write but don't have time. I'm hoping there really was an arrest..my husband can't take me on this case much more. haha. I look forward to posts later this afternoon when I get home.

(02-19-2011, 02:19 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:49 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:30 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:25 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:09 PM)onefortheroad Wrote: You make some good points, and the killings would have sent a sharp message to Johnny's gang, if he was in one. Tiffany's 'fallen soldier' was a Blood, and so is her current BF (AG, I think, though I gather she gets it on with ZB too). That would make her a Blood too or at least show where her loyalties lie.

I know I'm fixated on TW, but there's no way it was just coincidence that she was there on the night of the murders.

Does anyone know if John Clarke Sr was part of a gang?

No I don't. But he has a facebook with pictures. So if Johnny was trying to get his life straight, why hang out with Tiffany? What did she have to offer in the way of making positive changes in one's life? I look toward Tiffany for answers also. Enjoyed reading her comments on mock. And I do not think she set Johnny and Lisa up. I more or less accept her at face value. For whatever that is worth. And there are, understandably, somethings she ain't saying.

TW met them through the minor, ZB, who allegedly was into percocets heavily. JC was friends with the minor. I believe TW said that was how she met them, she met JC first and then met LS through, ZB and JC, at ZB's house.

I think the relationship runs deeper than ZB. I may be wrong. But one of Corrigans best buddies who has a RIP Corrigan pic as his fb photo (R.i.p. Donald 50 ckal) is closely tied in with Johnny's neighborhood friend that Johnny watched the ProBowl with on the Jan 30^th. And the photo for R.i.p. ckal includes all the "bros" posing gangster style. All the "bros" includes Johnny's old neighborhood friend that he watched the Pro Bowl with. So I do not think Tiffany needed ZB to meet anyone. Tiffany has been around for awile. And imo, ZB is a minor player.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Z is a minor player, in all of this.

A junkie punk in withdrawals, hmmmmm who was at the house the night before with TW and was going back the very night they are murdered? I would't exactly rule him out or who he may have told about that house and it might have a safe, a safe, money and JC might have drugs....nope wouldn't be ruling out MR.Z at all.

(02-19-2011, 01:28 PM)catch22 Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:53 PM)sharit Wrote: i own a cleaning service and most all place that i clean have alarms. i have never seen 1 which uses a key, never. yes they do have logs and if wire were cut the security service would know this and send LE.once you enter building you have 45 seconds to disarm, or le will be on there way.

didn't someone say that the wires were cut a few days before all this happened? would the police tell us if they had gone out there a few days before and talked to lisa and everything was "ok". there was just something wrong with the alarm system? i can see it taking a week or more to get it fixed. i don't think we know for sure that the wires had been cut, though.

i've also wondered about a "log" as well. would it show everytime a door was opened, etc.? i wonder if anyone entered the house while lisa was at work and johnny was at a friend's house that evening? i guess this would require the perps to know how to disarm the alarm (if it had been set and was in working order.....)

Hope this hepls. it was posted by "unknown: a while back.


Unknown - 02-06-2011 05:00 PM

Newer white econ van seen outside the house a day or two before, neighbors say. Perps cut the telephone alarm either the night of the killings or prior days. Go in through the garage into the kitchen where johnny and Lisa are. Johnny grabs a knife, Lisa freaks out and runs down the hall to the front of the house and up the stairs possibly hitting the alarm. She runs into her room and slams the door, then the perp kicks or rams through the door and pulls her down the stairs buy her hair while Lisa reaches up and digs her nails into the arm or face of the perp. In the mean time 2 perps try to over take johnny, but johnny get a few licks in with the knife. blood everywhere in the kitchen (guy who had to clean it up says: There was a lot of blood in there. They duct tape Johnny up and subdue Lisa. They begin torturing them buy asphyxiation to get what information they want. The perps begin rumbling through the house finding anything that points to drugs, money, and security systems to remove any recordings. The lighter and the Baggies were probably pulled out of Johnnys pocket while bounded looking for cash

(02-19-2011, 02:22 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:53 PM)sharit Wrote: i own a cleaning service and most all place that i clean have alarms. i have never seen 1 which uses a key, never. yes they do have logs and if wire were cut the security service would know this and send LE.once you enter building you have 45 seconds to disarm, or le will be on there way.

exactly. I'm not sure where the key being related to the security system came from, but I simply passed that by. I don't think the key had anything to do with the alarm system.

It's back in the thread, if I have the patience I will find it.....

but here is what I found about keys and security systems:
Google or Yahoo it..... There are keys:

These keys are most often seen in home alarm systems, vending machines, and bicycle locks, in the United States. These keys typically come in seven and eight-pin versions as well as miniature versions which are used on computers.

(02-19-2011, 02:29 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 02:22 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:53 PM)sharit Wrote: i own a cleaning service and most all place that i clean have alarms. i have never seen 1 which uses a key, never. yes they do have logs and if wire were cut the security service would know this and send LE.once you enter building you have 45 seconds to disarm, or le will be on there way.

exactly. I'm not sure where the key being related to the security system came from, but I simply passed that by. I don't think the key had anything to do with the alarm system.

some safes require both a key and a code to be punched in (i don't know if they would have numbers on them or not). although it is being reported by the uncle that there was no safe so... ???

apparently there was no safe, so I'm talking about the security alarm system, in the home. I don't think the key had anything to do with that. jmo

They key could be a calling card, too.

(02-19-2011, 02:40 PM)Methusala Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 01:18 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: If I thought I was going to steal something I would not take a briefcase.
I would not take a wheel borrow. I would not take a rolling garbage can
to put in my car. I would not take a suitcase. I would take bags which I could secure well with tape, sling over my shoulder and effect an easy 'get away." That is my thought about the bags. They would easily carry drugs, bricks of..... money, supplies, cash. 'Cause that is what I
was looking for. I am good at it and have done it before and I will not
take a gun because should the people come home I don't want them
hurt, UNLESS I get orders to ice them once I am in there. Orders would
come because my informant gave me bogus information about this
scene. They ow me big, They wasted my time. They will pay. So simple.
And the informants had the security system cut off by the way.

Bags? What bags? I thought all they found where pieces of little "baggies" like the kind used for pot and drugs.

I believe TC is talking about bags being brought into the home, to use in taking stolen stuff out ?

(02-15-2011, 03:19 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 03:15 PM)KarmaK Wrote: Has there been any other mention of the key found under the body?

i can't recall the source now, but i read the key was connected to the alarm system.

(02-19-2011, 02:42 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 02:08 PM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote: The problem is (IMO) there are so many FB friends of friends of friends that are connected that there is no way you can determine anything going off who's friends with who. Believe me, I have creeped on so many of this one and that one that I could fill up a flow chart the size of Ohio with connections. What I have observed is this, at one point in time, the friends that TW had while she was with/around Donald aren't too close to her anymore. She admits that after Donald died she had an addiction to percocets but was planning to get her life back together again. She has 3 kids, not living with her, all from different dads, 2 of which she had very young and one as you all know is Donalds and is currently prego with AP/AG's. She seems to have ok correspondence with the other daddys. I don't see anything proving that she was friends/close or even knew Johnny and/or back when she was with Donald but I'm sure they were aware of each other as both crowds know one or more friends of friends but clearly TW's crowd is tough/gang related/bad guys. They may have been bloods but I've seen alot of "goon" talk...is there a gang named goons? or is that a gang member term?

Interesting is that Lisa's co-workers hardly knew Johnny..they loved her, thought she was happy but "didn't know her BF". Unfortuantely, I have not been able to find anything about RR, Johnny's best friend other than his family loved Johnny like another son. Also, some of the FB people you guys have mentioned on here (475 entertainment) have their own problems with other people it seems so just beaware that even though they have all the right info in their profiles doesn't mean they have anything to do with this case..not that I know for sure but according to the info I found they have enough problems elsewhere.

couple notes, ZB (if it's even the right ZB) works very close to the area, TGIF is (according to google) approximately 10 min, maybe 20 with traffic (someone familiar with the area would know better )away from Lisa's house...so if she got off at 10:00, and was still in her uniform at 11:00 (according to TW being on the phone with Johnny), that's an interesting timeline.

I have so much more to write but don't have time. I'm hoping there really was an arrest..my husband can't take me on this case much more. haha. I look forward to posts later this afternoon when I get home.

(02-19-2011, 02:19 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:49 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:30 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:25 PM)Adub Wrote: No I don't. But he has a facebook with pictures. So if Johnny was trying to get his life straight, why hang out with Tiffany? What did she have to offer in the way of making positive changes in one's life? I look toward Tiffany for answers also. Enjoyed reading her comments on mock. And I do not think she set Johnny and Lisa up. I more or less accept her at face value. For whatever that is worth. And there are, understandably, somethings she ain't saying.

TW met them through the minor, ZB, who allegedly was into percocets heavily. JC was friends with the minor. I believe TW said that was how she met them, she met JC first and then met LS through, ZB and JC, at ZB's house.

I think the relationship runs deeper than ZB. I may be wrong. But one of Corrigans best buddies who has a RIP Corrigan pic as his fb photo (R.i.p. Donald 50 ckal) is closely tied in with Johnny's neighborhood friend that Johnny watched the ProBowl with on the Jan 30^th. And the photo for R.i.p. ckal includes all the "bros" posing gangster style. All the "bros" includes Johnny's old neighborhood friend that he watched the Pro Bowl with. So I do not think Tiffany needed ZB to meet anyone. Tiffany has been around for awile. And imo, ZB is a minor player.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Z is a minor player, in all of this.

A junkie punk in withdrawals, hmmmmm who was at the house the night before with TW and was going back the very night they are murdered? I would't exactly rule him out or who he may have told about that house and it might have a safe, a safe, money and JC might have drugs....nope wouldn't be ruling out MR.Z at all.

See, the thing is, I'm not giving a whole lot of credit to anyone that posted anything about Z, to be honest, lol ... Didn't we hear him first mentioned by 'grieving friend' or ugh, I forgot the other name now. ?? Anyone could come on here, & trash any of the characters, simply because they don't like them, or they've heard thru the grapevine.. Z may very well be involved, but delving into his life, only gets me confused. For the time being anyway.

(02-19-2011, 02:46 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 02:22 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-19-2011, 12:53 PM)sharit Wrote: i own a cleaning service and most all place that i clean have alarms. i have never seen 1 which uses a key, never. yes they do have logs and if wire were cut the security service would know this and send LE.once you enter building you have 45 seconds to disarm, or le will be on there way.

exactly. I'm not sure where the key being related to the security system came from, but I simply passed that by. I don't think the key had anything to do with the alarm system.

It's back in the thread, if I have the patience I will find it.....

but here is what I found about keys and security systems:
Google or Yahoo it..... There are keys:

These keys are most often seen in home alarm systems, vending machines, and bicycle locks, in the United States. These keys typically come in seven and eight-pin versions as well as miniature versions which are used on computers.

no no, I'll take your word for it. Don't bother with going back, EC