Jane: WHOA! That's got to be the same person. The admin at the "justice for..." page! Wonder why she set up another page ???


IF it is her...two words. ATTENTION WHORE.

it's possible i suppose it's an unauthorized friend of Lisa's.

(02-20-2011, 06:28 PM)Countryside_Belle Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 05:22 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Jane: Probably making too much of it, but gathering DNA swabs, throughout the house, makes it sound like lots of blood, maybe ?? Why not say, gathering fingerprints? I'm letting my mind wander...



so they will have DNA samples of EVERYONE who was in that house for party and on night of killing. now they will pore over their facts and evidence and get warrants for DNA samples of perhaps all parties.

Was the Uncle of Lisa quoted somewhere saying there was a lot of blood at the scene?

No, but I think "unknown" & maybe some others who claim being a local, posted there was a lot of blood. LE never stated this was so, though.

(02-20-2011, 06:07 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 05:44 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote: My apologies if this has already been discussed and answered....

I am really curious as to why LE is stating that the couple was murdered between 1am-4am.

Tiffany was supposedly on the phone around 11pm when things began to happen. So, does this mean that they are discrediting Tiffany's timeline, or do they believe the killers were there for 2+ hours before killing Lisa and Johnny??

Also, I believe the bodies were discovered at 3:50am, and were already cold to the touch.

I'm just confused as to why the possible time of death begins at 1am instead of 11pm.

Maytee tells 911 Johnny is cold and stiff to the touch. That means they would've been dead closer to 11pm. And that means the intruders came right in and let the killing begin...

I think this link may help answer your question...one that i pondered too.

http://beta.toledoblade.com/frontpage/20...calls.html


"statement to the effect of: dying within 6 hours of being found"

Jane:I could be wrong, but I THINK anyone incarcerated, submits to a DNA test. I know I heard that somewhere, so they can be put in a data base, all over the country ?? Correct me if I'm wrong.


most states, if not all, take DNA samples right in court at moment of felony conviction.

I've got transcripts of last nights debate on the "Justice page" as well if anyone would like it. It's long, so beware. But...it is interesting the things the admin. says.....She scares me.

(02-20-2011, 05:40 PM)Red_velvet71 Wrote: And the drama continues.....


http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lisa-Strau...5756296730

Lisa Straub - Injustice A major investigation into why and who killed Lisa Straub and Johnny Clarke in Springfield township is underway. Investigators discovered white baggie pieces, a light blue lighter and a Ziploc bag on the kitchen floor. In the home of Lisa Straub on various kitchen countertops a digital scale, two knives and central security documents were found.

The list of collected evidence goes on, including a key with 5-4-4 stamped on it under the body of Lisa Straub. The items were seized -- taken as evidence -- during a search of the home owned by Lisa Straub's parents. Throughout the house, they gathered DNA swabs.

They also found a key with 5-4-4 stamped on it under the body of Lisa Straub. The warrant also describes black/pink interband pants under Straub's neck. Her wrists were taped together, but not her ankles. Johnny Clarke's ankles were taped up.

That's one of many details investigators are trying to sort through in the search for a killer or killers. Johny Clarke has a troubled past including time spent in prison. As prayers go out to the family of Johnny, the family is probaly asking themselves if they could have done something to prevent this. Clarke’s mother certainly has not lived her life as a good example for her son. As speculation surrounds who John Clarke may have told the house’s owners were out of town, one has to wonder, should it also be asked who his mother could have told?
about an hour ago

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez You fucking evil bitch iam the best mom any son could want n proud they proud to have i did everything for my boys. you stupid ignorant cunt iam very proud of my sons and you are a satanic demon and dont know what the fuck your talking about you evil piece of trash karma is on her way to you and i hope you choke on your tongue you piece of shit worthless excuse for life it should be people like you killed and not our kids ypu pathetic skum i wish you ill will watch how karma devours you
52 minutes ago

Kassa Nova Your obviously a dumb ass bitch who knows nothing about johnny. Lisa lived in rich ville where she was able to pull the wool over her parents EYES! You are a cunt and will rot in hell for what you are doing to ONE family, while the other is sitting there BELIEVING that lisa's exboyfriend and friends arent SUSPECTS.
42 minutes ago

Bre Michelle Prowell WOAH!!! Im so sick of this "troubled past of Johnnys" he made a bad choice in WHO he hung out with and that got him into trouble he did nothing!!! He didn't have a "troubled past" i grew up with him and ALLL OF OUR PARENTS broke their backs...
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40 minutes ago

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez She keeps deleting some of my stuff too
35 minutes ago

Bre Michelle Prowell I'm sick of this shit! It's so rude and heartless. You people do begging u can to drive a grieving family insane and hurt them and bash the victim and his parents?
33 minutes ago

Tracey Schuette this shit is fuckin ridiculous ! we all have a fucking past ! and weve all done dumb ass shit in our lives ITS CALLED LIFE ! how dare you even try to say what kind of mother maytee is ! you dont kno 1 fucking thing about her. and why the f...
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6 minutes ago


Posting it before it's deleted.

How many fucking facebook pages does this BITCH need??????????????????

(02-20-2011, 06:14 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 06:07 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 05:44 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote: My apologies if this has already been discussed and answered....

I am really curious as to why LE is stating that the couple was murdered between 1am-4am.

Tiffany was supposedly on the phone around 11pm when things began to happen. So, does this mean that they are discrediting Tiffany's timeline, or do they believe the killers were there for 2+ hours before killing Lisa and Johnny??

Also, I believe the bodies were discovered at 3:50am, and were already cold to the touch.

I'm just confused as to why the possible time of death begins at 1am instead of 11pm.

Maytee tells 911 Johnny is cold and stiff to the touch. That means they would've been dead closer to 11pm. And that means the intruders came right in and let the killing begin...

That's why I don't understand the possible time of death is stated at being between 1am-4am....

Any one have any information on this?

http://beta.toledoblade.com/frontpage/20...calls.html

states:"dying within 6 hours of being found"

(02-20-2011, 06:16 PM)pspence Wrote: Yes, I was commenting that I was proud of her for facing her critics and standing up for herself, answering the questions, etc...that's all I was saying..she understood...I have a gut instinct that she is not involved in this horrific tragedy...just my opinion...nothing to base it on except a mother's intuition...

I think you're way too naive, and the good intentions you're projecting onto her are based solely on wishful thinking.

(02-20-2011, 05:47 PM)Methusala Wrote: The following exchange appears on TW's FB wall:

TW: i pay no mind 2 the ignorance that is goin on..so go somewhere else wyt it .i aint got tyme for dis lame shyt.get it together people foreal..
February 16 at 6:03pm



XXX XXX XXX: I'm very very proud of you! February 16 at 9:05pm

I'm wondering - What is it that TW did that this person in N. Carolina is so very very proud of her for?

Was it for appearing on Mock and answering questions?

Or what?

Methu- I caught that too! I was wondering if that person had anything to do with the Justice page, or....?

Is it just me or does it appear that the crime was interrupted?

As in, lots of materials and evidence left behind. If they strangled Lisa with the pink and black pants, why not take them with you and burn them? Seems they would've left behind way less evidence if they could've.

Also, the fact that valuables were left behind might suggest that the crime was interrupted or cut short.

(02-20-2011, 06:43 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 06:16 PM)pspence Wrote: Yes, I was commenting that I was proud of her for facing her critics and standing up for herself, answering the questions, etc...that's all I was saying..she understood...I have a gut instinct that she is not involved in this horrific tragedy...just my opinion...nothing to base it on except a mother's intuition...

I think you're way too naive, and the good intentions you're projecting onto her are based solely on wishful thinking.

WHY, PSPENSE? WHY DO YOU HAVE THE INTUITION THAT TIFFANY ISN'T INVOLVED??

Because she is such a stand up citizen? Such a good role model for girls her age?

(02-20-2011, 06:07 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 05:44 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote: My apologies if this has already been discussed and answered....

I am really curious as to why LE is stating that the couple was murdered between 1am-4am.

Tiffany was supposedly on the phone around 11pm when things began to happen. So, does this mean that they are discrediting Tiffany's timeline, or do they believe the killers were there for 2+ hours before killing Lisa and Johnny??

Also, I believe the bodies were discovered at 3:50am, and were already cold to the touch.

I'm just confused as to why the possible time of death begins at 1am instead of 11pm.

Maytee tells 911 Johnny is cold and stiff to the touch. That means they would've been dead closer to 11pm. And that means the intruders came right in and let the killing begin...

They came to kill

(02-20-2011, 06:16 PM)pspence Wrote: Yes, I was commenting that I was proud of her for facing her critics and standing up for herself, answering the questions, etc...that's all I was saying..she understood...I have a gut instinct that she is not involved in this horrific tragedy...just my opinion...nothing to base it on except a mother's intuition...

P- thanks for clarifying

Kassa Nova Your obviously a dumb ass bitch who knows nothing about johnny. Lisa lived in rich ville where she was able to pull the wool over her parents EYES! You are a cunt and will rot in hell for what you are doing to ONE family, while the other is sitting there BELIEVING that lisa's exboyfriend and friends arent SUSPECTS.
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This was on the Injustice Lisa Straub page.... What's interesting about this is you see how some people thought that Lisa's parents had big money, rich ville, come on! It's a nice home but really rich ville??

(02-20-2011, 06:23 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 06:18 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 06:12 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: This is from the Open Discussion page:

JC and LS Case Open Discussion
What do you think about someone who has an extensive criminal record setting up a reward fund? [TC]

Attached to it are 69 comments although it appears many of those comments were deleted. Maytee announced that she would be setting up a reward fund & from what I get from reading the comments this was directed at Maytees criminal background although the Admin of the page says more than once that she hasn't said any names.

This makes me really sad. People who attack other people at their weakest point... and for what? What does admin have to gain from this? It's just really really sad to me.

i would be willing to bet that it's the Facebook Nazi working as the administrator of this new page... i definitely feel like she's cruelly baiting her just for a reaction which i find mean. makes me feel bad for my comments about thinking maytee is a nutter etc on this forum.

It is the Facebook Nazi, she openly admitted that she was starting this new page. It's suppose to be open discussion but I see she's still deleting peoples comments when they don't jive with her opinions. And I agree, I think she's purposely starting topics that will incite anger. I would be pissed off as well if I were grieving for my child & in that most raw time in my life I had to deal with the Facebook Nazi.

I can understand why Maytee is going ape shit over this....I'd probably do the same

I wonder why they don't come in here & post the way they do on the FB page. Johnny's mom & his best friend's girlfriend seem to be pretty vocal there & I'm almost certain they read Mock yet they don't care to refute anything they've read here.

Lisa lived in rich ville where she was able to pull the wool over her parents EYES! You are a cunt and will rot in hell for what you are doing to ONE family, while the other is sitting there BELIEVING that lisa's exboyfriend and friends arent SUSPECTS.

from the facebook page Injustice- Lisa Straub, above..

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lisa-Strau...5756296730

So maybe someone knows, or suspects that the Straub's aren't focused on Lisa's ex, & friends ?? Sounds that way, huh? Lisa living in "rich ville where she was able to pull the wool over her parents EYES!" .... WTF?

(02-20-2011, 06:56 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I wonder why they don't come in here & post the way they do on the FB page. Johnny's mom & his best friend's girlfriend seem to be pretty vocal there & I'm almost certain they read Mock yet they don't care to refute anything they've read here.

I was thinking the same thing, last night!! I'm a little surprised Maytee & her 'family' haven't posted here, already, with they way they go on & on with the Facebook nonsense..

(02-20-2011, 06:52 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Kassa Nova Your obviously a dumb ass bitch who knows nothing about johnny. Lisa lived in rich ville where she was able to pull the wool over her parents EYES! You are a cunt and will rot in hell for what you are doing to ONE family, while the other is sitting there BELIEVING that lisa's exboyfriend and friends arent SUSPECTS.
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This was on the Injustice Lisa Straub page.... What's interesting about this is you see how some people thought that Lisa's parents had big money, rich ville, come on! It's a nice home but really rich ville??

Depends on what your idea of rich is.

If you grew up with a gang banger mother and drink purple cough syrup out of baby bottles, then a nice house with a pool in Holland might seem rich to you. Especially if you hear about a safe that has $100K in cash in it inside that house.

(02-20-2011, 06:47 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Is it just me or does it appear that the crime was interrupted?

As in, lots of materials and evidence left behind. If they strangled Lisa with the pink and black pants, why not take them with you and burn them? Seems they would've left behind way less evidence if they could've.

Also, the fact that valuables were left behind might suggest that the crime was interrupted or cut short.

I have read in a few places now (including the search warrant article) that the pants were found UNDER her neck/head. Not around.
This is why I think the pants were just something Lisa was changing into when the attack happened. I think the ligature marks around the neck that were found was from the tape being tightly bound around her neck, and her maybe struggling to get free/thrashing, etc. :( Dear God I hope they had the comfort of loved ones/angels by their sides and minds when they went.