(02-20-2011, 05:18 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:51 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:46 PM)Duchess Wrote:


Is it at all possible they weren't supposed to die? I've asked myself that more than once.

Those kids don't appear to have a mark on them, no, I didn't see Lisa but I cannot imagine her parents letting her be viewed if she was flawed.

I think I'm forgetting a lot of what I've read & reading this thread looking for bits & pieces of what I question seems daunting. Was the evidence taken from the home listed? I recall talk of steak knives recently. Bah! I feel like the member that asked for cliff notes.

this link mentions what was taken:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7940106

from the link above - The list goes on, showing, in the master bedroom, investigators took dinars, currency of Iraq and other countries. Throughout the house, they gathered DNA swabs.

Probably making too much of it, but gathering DNA swabs, throughout the house, makes it sound like lots of blood, maybe ?? Why not say, gathering fingerprints? I'm letting my mind wander...

edited to add - forgot my other thought...about the dinars. Does anyone think there was blood on the currency ?? Why take them as evidence?

maybe they took the dinar for possible prints? i would guess they were out somewhere and they maybe thought they'd been handled by whomever ransacked the room.

(02-20-2011, 01:41 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Here's my avatar, as LC requested.

I think these angels' faces need to be seen on their thread.

My you both rest in paradise and receive justice soon, Johnny and Lisa.

When Tiffany was here and posting, I put up this picture of Lisa:




There was not one peep from Tiffany. No, "Oh, Lisa :(". No, "Wasn't she beautiful?". Nothing. I found that interesting.

(02-20-2011, 05:18 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:51 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:46 PM)Duchess Wrote:


Is it at all possible they weren't supposed to die? I've asked myself that more than once.

Those kids don't appear to have a mark on them, no, I didn't see Lisa but I cannot imagine her parents letting her be viewed if she was flawed.

I think I'm forgetting a lot of what I've read & reading this thread looking for bits & pieces of what I question seems daunting. Was the evidence taken from the home listed? I recall talk of steak knives recently. Bah! I feel like the member that asked for cliff notes.

this link mentions what was taken:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7940106

from the link above - The list goes on, showing, in the master bedroom, investigators took dinars, currency of Iraq and other countries. Throughout the house, they gathered DNA swabs.

Probably making too much of it, but gathering DNA swabs, throughout the house, makes it sound like lots of blood, maybe ?? Why not say, gathering fingerprints? I'm letting my mind wander...

edited to add - forgot my other thought...about the dinars. Does anyone think there was blood on the currency ?? Why take them as evidence?

If the Dinars were out of place and left behind it may mean the perps handled the bills and it do well to dust them for fingerprints

(02-20-2011, 04:01 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 03:32 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 03:27 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: here's that sweet photo again. i can't atand looking at those young happy kids at the beach knowing they are in the cold ground and how they suffered. regardless of why. :(
they deserved a chance at life and happiness. like all the kids whose cases i have covered.

Thanks, LC.

So sweet. They went on vacation together. They look like they really love each other. I like the one of them walking on the beach, too.

They just look so full of life...
This is absolutely what gets me, being a parent of 2, how do you ever even begin to understand something like this, when just a moment ago, they had everything ahead of them, and then you hear plastic bags over their heads and now God knows what else... I would be so devastated I don't even know if I could recover! I really wish the Clarkes and Straubs some peace if only for a moment! The 2 most horrible ways anyone could imagine to find out too, Johnny's father finds them and the Straubs are on their 25^th anniversary trip and had just left!!

I know what you mean! I can certainly understand why the Straub's haven't spoken to the media. They must be shattered

(02-20-2011, 05:32 PM)kfran Wrote: According to Maytee's interview w/JW, Maytee said that Johnny's friends had said that Johnny was watching the Pro Bowl w/them & that he was going to pick up Lisa from work. They had people coming over later.
Well according to Tiffany, Johnny/Lisa asked her on the phone if she wanted to come over for a little bit- this was AFTER Johnny had already picked up Lisa. Tells me if Maytee is right, that what Tiffany was allegedly talking to Johnny about, was not about an invite to come over, but something else.

That's true, and didn't TW also say on here that no one else was supposed to come over that night..I can't remember but did she also mention that no one knew she/they were going over to Lisas either?

(02-20-2011, 01:44 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 01:40 PM)Jane Wrote: I'm going around the house here, calling hubby, 'my nigga'

hehe, I was calling my dogs "my niggaz".

I'm losing it!

(02-20-2011, 05:34 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 01:41 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Here's my avatar, as LC requested.

I think these angels' faces need to be seen on their thread.

My you both rest in paradise and receive justice soon, Johnny and Lisa.

When Tiffany was here and posting, I put up this picture of Lisa:




There was not one peep from Tiffany. No, "Oh, Lisa :(". No, "Wasn't she beautiful?". Nothing. I found that interesting.

that was awfully sly of you. nice tactic!

(02-20-2011, 04:10 PM)Duchess Wrote:

My Mom would go up in a puff of smoke if she heard me talking "gangsta speak" and that is no lie.

My Daddy would have too!!

Can you tell me how to import those cuties on to here? I have tried a
couple ways to no avail.
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Curious after you type you post, click on Preview Post, and the smileys will come up on the left side of your post. First put your cursor where you want the smiley in your post then double click on the smiley you want. Then before you post hit Preview Post again to see if it is there and if it is where you want it.

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(02-20-2011, 04:39 PM)ivanna Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 03:20 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 02:55 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: [quote='kitty1' pid='131744' dateline='1298226509']
Iv'e got to go put a heating pad on my neck!!! I'm not used to sitting in front of a computer this long!!

I don't stay, but I leave the website up, go do housework, feed the dog, cat and bird. I started a potroast for dinner, on top of the stove, real slow cooking, so I can come back and catch up, lol. My daughter called me and she always knows when I'm not quite paying attention on the phone, and she said OMG are you at that website again! Hubby walked past while I was posting and he saw the priest smiley that I put in one my post and said what's that, I said a priest, he said yeah, that's what your gonna need soon, an exorcism if you keep going to that site! Of course he can watch cars going in circles for hours and see's absolutely nothing wrong with that!

OH, I hope he is not a Jeff Gordon fan, as Jeff just got spun out. Wow,
wish I knew a man (single) who liked those cars going around in circles.
I know them all and my son will call me from work and say, "Mom, I
have a fifty dollar bet on these three questions, asking me who drives
what car, who sponsors or owns another car, etc." He has won some
good money that way. lol You can take the girl out of the country but
not the coutnry out of the girl. OH, wish for country. Go you Nascar niggas.
Does that sound awful or what? ROFL

Hey Hey glad to know there are some other NASCAR freaks out here with me!!! Been a fan for many years, but I have to say being in the pits on the Jr. Motorsports team has been the best high of my life!

And the drama continues.....


http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lisa-Strau...5756296730

Lisa Straub - Injustice A major investigation into why and who killed Lisa Straub and Johnny Clarke in Springfield township is underway. Investigators discovered white baggie pieces, a light blue lighter and a Ziploc bag on the kitchen floor. In the home of Lisa Straub on various kitchen countertops a digital scale, two knives and central security documents were found.

The list of collected evidence goes on, including a key with 5-4-4 stamped on it under the body of Lisa Straub. The items were seized -- taken as evidence -- during a search of the home owned by Lisa Straub's parents. Throughout the house, they gathered DNA swabs.

They also found a key with 5-4-4 stamped on it under the body of Lisa Straub. The warrant also describes black/pink interband pants under Straub's neck. Her wrists were taped together, but not her ankles. Johnny Clarke's ankles were taped up.

That's one of many details investigators are trying to sort through in the search for a killer or killers. Johny Clarke has a troubled past including time spent in prison. As prayers go out to the family of Johnny, the family is probaly asking themselves if they could have done something to prevent this. Clarke’s mother certainly has not lived her life as a good example for her son. As speculation surrounds who John Clarke may have told the house’s owners were out of town, one has to wonder, should it also be asked who his mother could have told?
about an hour ago

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez You fucking evil bitch iam the best mom any son could want n proud they proud to have i did everything for my boys. you stupid ignorant cunt iam very proud of my sons and you are a satanic demon and dont know what the fuck your talking about you evil piece of trash karma is on her way to you and i hope you choke on your tongue you piece of shit worthless excuse for life it should be people like you killed and not our kids ypu pathetic skum i wish you ill will watch how karma devours you
52 minutes ago

Kassa Nova Your obviously a dumb ass bitch who knows nothing about johnny. Lisa lived in rich ville where she was able to pull the wool over her parents EYES! You are a cunt and will rot in hell for what you are doing to ONE family, while the other is sitting there BELIEVING that lisa's exboyfriend and friends arent SUSPECTS.
42 minutes ago

Bre Michelle Prowell WOAH!!! Im so sick of this "troubled past of Johnnys" he made a bad choice in WHO he hung out with and that got him into trouble he did nothing!!! He didn't have a "troubled past" i grew up with him and ALLL OF OUR PARENTS broke their backs...
See More
40 minutes ago

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez She keeps deleting some of my stuff too
35 minutes ago

Bre Michelle Prowell I'm sick of this shit! It's so rude and heartless. You people do begging u can to drive a grieving family insane and hurt them and bash the victim and his parents?
33 minutes ago

Tracey Schuette this shit is fuckin ridiculous ! we all have a fucking past ! and weve all done dumb ass shit in our lives ITS CALLED LIFE ! how dare you even try to say what kind of mother maytee is ! you dont kno 1 fucking thing about her. and why the f...
See More
6 minutes ago


Posting it before it's deleted.

(02-20-2011, 05:34 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 01:41 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Here's my avatar, as LC requested.

I think these angels' faces need to be seen on their thread.

My you both rest in paradise and receive justice soon, Johnny and Lisa.

When Tiffany was here and posting, I put up this picture of Lisa:




There was not one peep from Tiffany. No, "Oh, Lisa :(". No, "Wasn't she beautiful?". Nothing. I found that interesting.

Does anybody know how long Tiffany was "friends" with Johnny and Lisa?? I know Tiffany's friend, Bre and her boyfriend were long time friends of Johnny's.

(02-20-2011, 05:20 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:46 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:39 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:34 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: KNOWLEDGE of possible things that might go down during the evening.
Prior to any bodies found.

911
Johnny's Mother: "I want to know where my son and his girlfriend are at. I want to know if they got abducted by whoever tried to assault them and rob them."

Yes, I see lots of people on here think Maytee knew something was going down before it happened. I struggle with this. I feel like she was saying this just to try and escalate the situation to 911 dispatch since LE wasn't doing too much. But, why, why would Maytee have used those words? Did someone threaten her that they were going to kidnap and/or harm her son?

very odd choice of words, indeed. i can't decide where i stand with maytee. sometimes i feel like she knows something more (even if she is not involved directly) and sometimes i just chalk everything up that she says to her being a little loony (and grieving the loss of her son).

people have been saying it all along and i'm going to repeat it... there is something that is just not right about this whole thing. it's unsettling... especially when you look closely at some of the possible players. i think that's part of what makes this case so intriguing to many.

Every article and every friend says Johnny did not get along with his mother.
Some say they did not even speak. How then would she know where the
key to Straub's house is and see people use it several times? She has
stalked before, I stay she stalked this house I am not saying she set up
her son but I am saying he was at the wrong place at the wrong time
and he was the direct link to her. So when the 'stash' was not in the house
when the folk to whom Maytee and possibly John owed big money to,
then the "if it takes a 100 years" philosophy took life.

Note - I always thought Johnny knew the first person (if what Tiff says is
true) but did not know the second person. In gangs, friends and enemies
can be one and the same.

PS. I will find it, but I trul believe that Maytee was the VERY first
person to say the word "safe" in the polie and tv interviews. That was
the red herring to me.

totally curious... i completely see your reasons for thinking maytee had even a little bit of something to do with this. i have to admit my mind has wandered that way a few times... BUT what keeps sending me back to another direction is tiff. she's full of it. her stories change and don't add up and i don't see the connection between tiff and maytee so i can't see how they are BOTH involved.
as a side note... IMO i think maytee is deranged and from what i've gathered through others' testimony etc... she seems as though she was probably a terrible mother and example to her children.

(02-20-2011, 05:40 PM)Red_velvet71 Wrote: And the drama continues.....


http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lisa-Strau...5756296730

Lisa Straub - Injustice A major investigation into why and who killed Lisa Straub and Johnny Clarke in Springfield township is underway. Investigators discovered white baggie pieces, a light blue lighter and a Ziploc bag on the kitchen floor. In the home of Lisa Straub on various kitchen countertops a digital scale, two knives and central security documents were found.

The list of collected evidence goes on, including a key with 5-4-4 stamped on it under the body of Lisa Straub. The items were seized -- taken as evidence -- during a search of the home owned by Lisa Straub's parents. Throughout the house, they gathered DNA swabs.

They also found a key with 5-4-4 stamped on it under the body of Lisa Straub. The warrant also describes black/pink interband pants under Straub's neck. Her wrists were taped together, but not her ankles. Johnny Clarke's ankles were taped up.

That's one of many details investigators are trying to sort through in the search for a killer or killers. Johny Clarke has a troubled past including time spent in prison. As prayers go out to the family of Johnny, the family is probaly asking themselves if they could have done something to prevent this. Clarke’s mother certainly has not lived her life as a good example for her son. As speculation surrounds who John Clarke may have told the house’s owners were out of town, one has to wonder, should it also be asked who his mother could have told?
about an hour ago

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez You fucking evil bitch iam the best mom any son could want n proud they proud to have i did everything for my boys. you stupid ignorant cunt iam very proud of my sons and you are a satanic demon and dont know what the fuck your talking about you evil piece of trash karma is on her way to you and i hope you choke on your tongue you piece of shit worthless excuse for life it should be people like you killed and not our kids ypu pathetic skum i wish you ill will watch how karma devours you
52 minutes ago

Kassa Nova Your obviously a dumb ass bitch who knows nothing about johnny. Lisa lived in rich ville where she was able to pull the wool over her parents EYES! You are a cunt and will rot in hell for what you are doing to ONE family, while the other is sitting there BELIEVING that lisa's exboyfriend and friends arent SUSPECTS.
42 minutes ago

Bre Michelle Prowell WOAH!!! Im so sick of this "troubled past of Johnnys" he made a bad choice in WHO he hung out with and that got him into trouble he did nothing!!! He didn't have a "troubled past" i grew up with him and ALLL OF OUR PARENTS broke their backs...
See More
40 minutes ago

Maytee La Cubana Vazquez She keeps deleting some of my stuff too
35 minutes ago

Bre Michelle Prowell I'm sick of this shit! It's so rude and heartless. You people do begging u can to drive a grieving family insane and hurt them and bash the victim and his parents?
33 minutes ago

Tracey Schuette this shit is fuckin ridiculous ! we all have a fucking past ! and weve all done dumb ass shit in our lives ITS CALLED LIFE ! how dare you even try to say what kind of mother maytee is ! you dont kno 1 fucking thing about her. and why the f...
See More
6 minutes ago


Posting it before it's deleted.

Tracey Schuette this shit is fuckin ridiculous ! we all have a fucking past ! and weve all done dumb ass shit in our lives ITS CALLED LIFE ! how dare you even try to say what kind of mother maytee is ! you dont kno 1 fucking thing about her. and why the fuck does it matter that johnny went to jail? jus because he did time he deserved to be tortured and murdered? ABSOLUTLY FUCKING NOT ! this is a horrible murder case what gives you the right to just think that you can post whatever you want about it on the internet and bash the victims and thier parents. are you the fucking police? you dont even know these people how dare you open your big ass mouth and say anything about them ! you are fucking pathetic !

THANKYOU RED VELVET!
do you know who set that page up?

(02-20-2011, 04:46 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:39 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-20-2011, 04:34 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: KNOWLEDGE of possible things that might go down during the evening.
Prior to any bodies found.

911
Johnny's Mother: "I want to know where my son and his girlfriend are at. I want to know if they got abducted by whoever tried to assault them and rob them."

Yes, I see lots of people on here think Maytee knew something was going down before it happened. I struggle with this. I feel like she was saying this just to try and escalate the situation to 911 dispatch since LE wasn't doing too much. But, why, why would Maytee have used those words? Did someone threaten her that they were going to kidnap and/or harm her son?

very odd choice of words, indeed. i can't decide where i stand with maytee. sometimes i feel like she knows something more (even if she is not involved directly) and sometimes i just chalk everything up that she says to her being a little loony (and grieving the loss of her son).

people have been saying it all along and i'm going to repeat it... there is something that is just not right about this whole thing. it's unsettling... especially when you look closely at some of the possible players. i think that's part of what makes this case so intriguing to many.

I flip flop a lot, about Maytee, but I still think it's odd she said the bodies were "in the basement" ??? I asked yesterday, if the bodies were found in the living/dining/kitchen area .... I THOUGHT the Uncle said that's where they were, but I could be wrong. If they were, why on earth would Maytee say clearly, they were in the basement?

My apologies if this has already been discussed and answered....

I am really curious as to why LE is stating that the couple was murdered between 1am-4am.

Tiffany was supposedly on the phone around 11pm when things began to happen. So, does this mean that they are discrediting Tiffany's timeline, or do they believe the killers were there for 2+ hours before killing Lisa and Johnny??

Also, I believe the bodies were discovered at 3:50am, and were already cold to the touch.

I'm just confused as to why the possible time of death begins at 1am instead of 11pm.

This was posted at another site I go to for updates:
TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH!

1^ST. PERSON:
I was just told to be careful and to keep my doors locked because the police have a suspect that lives a few streets away. They questioned the neighbors as to when they last saw him and said he is a suspect in a double homicide. They have been there several times to arrest him and he has not been home. I can't believe this! I was just told to be careful and keep my doors locked 2 weeks ago because there was a murder suspect a few streets away. The next thing I knew the area was swarming with undercover agents and dogs..... They arrested the man that shot and killed his boss from that fork lift company that very evening!

2N PERSON:
sounds like you need to move

1^ST PERSON:
Believe me the thought has crossed my mind more than once. I've lived here for four years and during this time it's been very peaceful. It's just been the last few weeks that it's gotten a little crazy. Someone busted the neighbors door in a few weeks ago at 8 in the evening. I heard the noise. It sounded like a car crash it was so loud. She was in bed(she has to get up early) and came out yelling "What the hell" It scared them and they took off.. She doesn't own any modern eletronics and has a 15 yr old tv. She said she's going to put a sign up that says if you want my tv just ask... Don't break my door. How Sad!!!

2^ND PERSON:
Adding. if you're referring to the suspect in the Clarke, Straub murders, what are the initials of the suspect in question, if you don't mind my asking?

1^ST PERSON:
I was told that it is concerning the murder of Lisa and Johnny. I have no idea of what his initials are. I don't believe the neighbors know him personally. From what I was told he knows he's a suspect and has been hiding out. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that if this guy has anything to do with the case they'll find him soon.

WOW, I WONDER IF THIS IS TRUE???

The following exchange appears on TW's FB wall:

TW: i pay no mind 2 the ignorance that is goin on..so go somewhere else wyt it .i aint got tyme for dis lame shyt.get it together people foreal..
February 16 at 6:03pm



XXX XXX XXX: I'm very very proud of you! February 16 at 9:05pm

I'm wondering - What is it that TW did that this person in N. Carolina is so very very proud of her for?

Was it for appearing on Mock and answering questions?

Or what?

(02-20-2011, 05:47 PM)Methusala Wrote: The following exchange appears on TW's FB wall:

TW: i pay no mind 2 the ignorance that is goin on..so go somewhere else wyt it .i aint got tyme for dis lame shyt.get it together people foreal..
February 16 at 6:03pm



XXX XXX XXX: I'm very very proud of you! February 16 at 9:05pm

I'm wondering - What is it that TW did that this person in N. Carolina is so very very proud of her for?

Was it for appearing on Mock and answering questions?

Or what?

I think they're proud of her for "payin' no mind 2 da ignorance goin' on"