(02-21-2011, 10:43 PM)pspence Wrote: Rushed in from work to see if there is any new info...I just cannot believe the police have not had a press conference...that is just nuts that you folks in that area are tolerating that! Unbelievable! I guess the news they were looking for someone in the neighborhood of Lisa's is not true ...OMG...when is this going to get solved???? Two such beautiful sweet people with their whole lives ahead of them...such a tragedy!

Tolerating it? What would you propose that they do? We all wish it to be swift justice, but I would guess that the circumstances and relationships are more complex than we can imagine. I bet the public (us on Mock) is privy to less than 10% of the pertinent information that LE is still sorting through.

When I heard that the Sheriff had solicited the help of the FBI (almost immediately), I was encouraged. They'll get 'em.

I can remember when VD was something you took an antibiotic for.

FB is wonderful for our servicemen to receive news and photos of
their families, but they do not seem to be allowed to post back.

I still feel Johnny was not in a gang. Was trying to get clean. Was set
up by relatives who were totally jealous of him having a decent drug
free life. Though I dont think they meant death until late in the game.

(02-21-2011, 11:20 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I still feel Johnny was not in a gang. Was trying to get clean. Was set
up by relatives who were totally jealous of him having a decent drug
free life. Though I dont think they meant death until late in the game.

Ouch! That is harsh! No way did anyone in his family set him up. No way. No way. No way. Even if the evidence was put before me, I would not be a believer.

What does "...trying to get clean mean?" Obviously Johnny and Lisa were involved in not trying too hard to be clean. They were young. And looking for fun. And possibly easy money. But Maytee having anything to do with setting her son up? No way.

hi been reading the posts for days... anyone know what happened to unknown she seemed to have some insightful info

(02-21-2011, 01:02 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Because for one reason or another, not known to us, she does
not want Johnny to be in there or to be abducted and robbed
I should not have let you go. I should have taken your place.

BINGO!!!

(02-21-2011, 08:32 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 08:16 PM)lou1975 Wrote: TW's Fbook page is now private.

Blessed Be!

Umm, interesting choice of words here and posts...

for all the FB fans this link may be interesting http://issuu.com/toledoblade/docs/most_wanted_1.25a
Someone had mentioned?

(02-22-2011, 12:12 AM)Pimpette Wrote: for all the FB fans this link may be interesting http://issuu.com/toledoblade/docs/most_wanted_1.25a
Someone had mentioned?

Thank you for the link!!!

Wow I have missed some things since being here-trying to catch up. So Tiffany came here and shared her side and Maytee seems to be doing her thing, as usual. With the approval of the moderators, may I take an informal poll?

Based on little evidence released to the public so far:

1. Do you think Tiffany set up the robbery/murder go wrong but was not there?
2. Tiffany was there when it happened and helped plan it
3. Johnny's past/drug use had to do with this
4. Maytee has an involvement/tried to set up a burglary when the kids would be away and it went wrong
5. This was an interrupted robbery gone wrong by none of the people mentioned above
6. This was a revenge killing for something
7. Lisa's ex was involved or it was something personal
7. Other-please explain

Thank you for your input.

4
To pay off debts.
Did not think the kids would be there.
When there was NO loot as M and John had promised......
Revenge.

I have three married kids and I NEVER KNOW WHEN THEIR
IN-LAWS GO ON VACATION.

And I have NEVER lurked outside and seen the families
handle the key from here to there 'many times' at a place
where my son went to get away from me.

And I never figured he might be kidnapped if he did not
call me back.

I would not scream on t.v. that it had to be the girl's friends who did it.

She and her husband are just so guilty.

What is the first rule of thumb in looking for a murderer?
LOOK AT HOME.

This is just an opinion.

(02-22-2011, 12:54 AM)TotallyCurious Wrote: 4
To pay off debts.
Did not think the kids would be there.
When there was NO loot as M and John had promised......
Revenge.

I have three married kids and I NEVER KNOW WHEN THEIR
IN-LAWS GO ON VACATION.

And I have NEVER lurked outside and seen the families
handle the key from here to there 'many times' at a place
where my son went to get away from me.

And I never figured he might be kidnapped if he did not
call me back.

I would not scream on t.v. that it had to be the girl's friends who did it.

She and her husband are just so guilty.

What is the first rule of thumb in looking for a murderer?
LOOK AT HOME.

This is just an opinion.

DITTO...and let's not forget the fact you find it okay for your husband to catch a ride from someone you're going to accuse set your son up for murder not a half hour later....pleaaazzzzeeee

please LE give us some info:stir_shit:

I HAD NOT SEEN THIS FB PAGE BEFORE.
Quite intriguing comment by Maytee.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?tab=3#!/JC.and.LS.Case

(02-22-2011, 01:16 AM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I HAD NOT SEEN THIS FB PAGE BEFORE.
Quite intriguing comment by Maytee.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?tab=3#!/JC.and.LS.Case

What comment are you speaking of ? I believe she was banned on that site too !

While the boards are quiet-I did have two instances in the past week where I was inadvertently dialed and received calls on my cell phone. First call was funny, second worried me.

First call-my husband was out with friends last weekend on a guy's night. His phone was in his pocket and I accidently got dialed and got to listen to a few minutes of guy talk-and the men think WE are gossips! lol.

Second call was two nights ago in the early evening. My Mom's cell dialed me and I could hear her talking to someone in a normal but muffled voice (I could not make out what anyone was saying) and I kept saying Mom loudly-she never responded and then a noise like something brushing against the phone and it went dead. I instantly called my Mom back and it went to voicemail. I tried to call her for 30 min straight and it would ring and go to voicemail and I left three messages. I tried calling her house too-no answer. Any other time I would not be worried but after reading this case...I was about to drive to her house so worried when she finally called me back. Turns out she was getting into her car and her phone hit something when she put it in her purse- she realized it and hit the button to disconnect the call while talking with a friend by her car without realizing it dialed me nad cut off the call and since she will not take calls while driving, she let it ring until she got home. That was a scary 30 min for me after reading about this case.

If Tiffany is telling the truth, I can see how it took her time to call others, IF JC said I'll call you back rather than indicated there was a prob. My first reaction about my Mom's call was this was not normal but I would def go to Mom's house to check it out before calling the police and I never would have thought much about it until this case. I imagine young people are up at all hours of the night and unless she heard a struggle or another reason to be concerned, why call police right away?IF she is being truthful, I can see why she called around and drove there first-same thing my gut told me to do getting the odd call from Mom. I have been a huge I think Tiffany did it person but now I am not sure... if she did not have the rap sheet and background she does, I do not think I would consider her at all based on the phone calls...

I work two jobs and haven't been on all day.

I'm about 40 pages behind now so tomorrow I am going to quit one of my jobs. (Obviously I am joking.)

MAYTEE,

There are so many questions that need answering.

If you get on here and talk to us, you will have people all over the country demanding this murder get solved.

Imagine, a whole country trying to solve a murder...THERE'S NO GETTING AWAY WITH THAT CRIME...

(02-21-2011, 04:12 PM)toledoarea Wrote: I didn't know Johnny or Lisa. I am a friend of the Clarke's. Met John Sr. once. I am a friend of John Sr. side of the family. I don't know anymore about this case than anyone else. Just trying to point out those people that I mentioned in my previous comment. I think they are key. Kinda funny how V.D. disappears for a week after the murders and all of a sudden he doesn't have a phone. Look at M.J. wall around his birthday. V.D. leaves an interesting comment.

Don't know how far you all got discussing this...

My input: I agree. V and B should be looked at. Interesting that on FB, V says something like, I grew up with you, but it's been great hanging out with you the last two weeks of your life. So you come back into the picture and then Johnny gets murdered? Hmmmm...