(02-22-2011, 10:56 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 10:52 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 10:41 PM)wanttoknow Wrote: thank you

For what?

And really. Who says that the Straubs house has a basement?

Maytee told the 911 dispatcher, her son was tied up in the basement. Also, another "local" poster said there was a basement, where the pool table is. That's all I've heard of a basement

Go here and type in Lisa's address (according to 911 call). There IS a basement. You can actually see a sketch of the entire property. http://maps.co.lucas.oh.us/areis/areis.asp
:O

(02-22-2011, 11:04 PM)wanttoknow Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 10:52 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 10:41 PM)wanttoknow Wrote: thank you

For what?

And really. Who says that the Straubs house has a basement?

All the homes in this area have basements.

according to "unknown" the basement is where the alarm box and pool table are located

(02-22-2011, 11:04 PM)LoserCity Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 10:56 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 10:52 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 10:41 PM)wanttoknow Wrote: thank you

For what?

And really. Who says that the Straubs house has a basement?

Maytee told the 911 dispatcher, her son was tied up in the basement. Also, another "local" poster said there was a basement, where the pool table is. That's all I've heard of a basement

Go here and type in Lisa's address (according to 911 call). There IS a basement. You can actually see a sketch of the entire property. http://maps.co.lucas.oh.us/areis/areis.asp
:O

i found this statement about a basement in a posting from 19 Feb:

- Jane - 02-19-2011 05:13 PM


(02-19-2011 04:59 PM)Unknown Wrote:
(02-19-2011 04:50 PM)Jane Wrote:
(02-19-2011 04:49 PM)Unknown Wrote: The key is to the mainframe of the alarm system that is in a locked box in the basement of the straubs home. It was in the package of security documents that was in the kitchen just IMO.

hmmm, the word "basement" again..

edited to add - Maytee said, on the 911 call, the bodies were in the basement..

No the actually basement were they keep there pool table. not in the so called basement that JC mom said. In the kitchen it connects to a room where you have to step down into a living room or social room were they keep the couchs and tv.

I understand that, but weren't the bodies found on the main floor, kitchen, dining, living room area? Maytee said the bodies could be seen in the basement.

(02-22-2011, 09:41 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Zero: That post was back on Feb 21.......I had my hopes up that we would have something besides speculation and Facebook probes.....
LC can you blame us for gettin antsie?




nope, i'm going batshit crazy too. but i have other cases i watch to keep me occupied.

May I ask which other cases you're following...i'm certain they will interest me as well given the complexity and brilliant execution of this here thread!

(02-22-2011, 11:11 PM)curious Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 09:41 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Zero: That post was back on Feb 21.......I had my hopes up that we would have something besides speculation and Facebook probes.....
LC can you blame us for gettin antsie?




nope, i'm going batshit crazy too. but i have other cases i watch to keep me occupied.

May I ask which other cases you're following...i'm certain they will interest me as well given the complexity and brilliant execution of this here thread!

8 pages of cases. and more daily.

thanks.

http://mockforums.net/forum-21-page-1.html

I agree with Lady Cop and whoever else said it on here...

Johnny and Lisa pulled the car into the garage and left the garage door open, since they figured they would be leaving soon.

Johnny and Lisa were on the phone with Tiffany when Johnny said he was walking out the kitchen door that connects to the garage, along come the intruders.

The altercation takes place immediately in the kitchen and they are killed. If this is what happened, then they were killed as soon as the intruders came in, which means this is not a "robbery gone bad".

(02-22-2011, 11:14 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I agree with Lady Cop and whoever else said it on here...

Johnny and Lisa pulled the car into the garage and left the garage door open, since they figured they would be leaving soon.

Johnny and Lisa were on the phone with Tiffany when Johnny said he was walking out the kitchen door that connects to the garage, along come the intruders.

The altercation takes place immediately in the kitchen and they are killed. If this is what happened, then they were killed as soon as the intruders came in, which means this is not a "robbery gone bad".

Here's where you all got me thinking...

Tiffany said she did not hear Lisa's voice in the background when Johnny was arguing and hanging up the phone.

Was she, in fact, upstairs changing out of her work clothes? This would make sense. Did she start to change, hear Johnny downstairs and come running down with these pink and black pants that were found under her?

Would she wear pink and black interband pants?? And what are they anyway?

(02-22-2011, 11:14 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I agree with Lady Cop and whoever else said it on here...

Johnny and Lisa pulled the car into the garage and left the garage door open, since they figured they would be leaving soon.

Johnny and Lisa were on the phone with Tiffany when Johnny said he was walking out the kitchen door that connects to the garage, along come the intruders.

The altercation takes place immediately in the kitchen and they are killed. If this is what happened, then they were killed as soon as the intruders came in, which means this is not a "robbery gone bad".

they still could have been there seeking the "safe". but imagine...Johnny grabs a knife when he sees the danger and life or death struggle ensues.
i still don't believe murder was the intent. but it escalated. so they used what was at hand, household items.

i may well change my thinking when more details emerge from LE. but that was my initial reaction when it was first reported.

(02-22-2011, 10:27 PM)wanttoknow Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 10:23 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 05:39 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 05:35 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW what SCAM Johnny's parents tried to pull on
the Straubs. Oh, would I love to know.

if true.
there was a civil suit i think, but i cannot substantiate it.

Where did you hear that?

I know a friend of the family.

We are allowed to post rumors, aren't we?

(02-22-2011, 11:19 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 10:27 PM)wanttoknow Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 10:23 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 05:39 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 05:35 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW what SCAM Johnny's parents tried to pull on
the Straubs. Oh, would I love to know.

if true.
there was a civil suit i think, but i cannot substantiate it.

Where did you hear that?

I know a friend of the family.

We are allowed to post rumors, aren't we?

i dislike all the rumors when they are reported as fact. be clear it's something you heard on the street, or from a friend or whatever. thanks.

(02-22-2011, 10:40 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 09:57 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 09:48 PM)IMaDick Wrote: So does anyone want to speculate as to why they were murdered in the kitchen? you do know that the kitchen is an unusual room for a homicide to occur in in a home invasion crime of this nature. especially in a home that has a basement which by all accounts this home did have.

Where did you hear there was a basement? And don't say Maytee told you

lol, well Maytee DID tell the 911 dispatcher that Johnny was tied up, in the basement ?

Perhaps the perpetrator had been abused as a child in a kitchen.

(02-22-2011, 11:18 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 11:14 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I agree with Lady Cop and whoever else said it on here...

Johnny and Lisa pulled the car into the garage and left the garage door open, since they figured they would be leaving soon.

Johnny and Lisa were on the phone with Tiffany when Johnny said he was walking out the kitchen door that connects to the garage, along come the intruders.

The altercation takes place immediately in the kitchen and they are killed. If this is what happened, then they were killed as soon as the intruders came in, which means this is not a "robbery gone bad".

they still could have been there seeking the "safe". but imagine...Johnny grabs a knife when he sees the danger and life or death struggle ensues.
i still don't believe murder was the intent. but it escalated. so they used what was at hand, household items.

i may well change my thinking when more details emerge from LE. but that was my initial reaction when it was first reported.

Ok, I got you LC, but was there not a news article that said that the Straub family said the tape was not from their home?

Correct me if I am wrong.

And like someone else on here said (sorry, can't remember the name that many posts back) why in the world would you bring tape to a robbery? To tape your bags shut? No.

(02-22-2011, 11:18 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 11:14 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I agree with Lady Cop and whoever else said it on here...

Johnny and Lisa pulled the car into the garage and left the garage door open, since they figured they would be leaving soon.

Johnny and Lisa were on the phone with Tiffany when Johnny said he was walking out the kitchen door that connects to the garage, along come the intruders.

The altercation takes place immediately in the kitchen and they are killed. If this is what happened, then they were killed as soon as the intruders came in, which means this is not a "robbery gone bad".

Here's where you all got me thinking...

Tiffany said she did not hear Lisa's voice in the background when Johnny was arguing and hanging up the phone.

Was she, in fact, upstairs changing out of her work clothes? This would make sense. Did she start to change, hear Johnny downstairs and come running down with these pink and black pants that were found under her?

Would she wear pink and black interband pants?? And what are they anyway?

Interband pants are pants/leggings that alternate colors in stipe form i.e.; black-pink-black-pink

(02-22-2011, 11:26 PM)kfran Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 11:18 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 11:14 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I agree with Lady Cop and whoever else said it on here...

Johnny and Lisa pulled the car into the garage and left the garage door open, since they figured they would be leaving soon.

Johnny and Lisa were on the phone with Tiffany when Johnny said he was walking out the kitchen door that connects to the garage, along come the intruders.

The altercation takes place immediately in the kitchen and they are killed. If this is what happened, then they were killed as soon as the intruders came in, which means this is not a "robbery gone bad".

Here's where you all got me thinking...

Tiffany said she did not hear Lisa's voice in the background when Johnny was arguing and hanging up the phone.

Was she, in fact, upstairs changing out of her work clothes? This would make sense. Did she start to change, hear Johnny downstairs and come running down with these pink and black pants that were found under her?

Would she wear pink and black interband pants?? And what are they anyway?

Interband pants are pants/leggings that alternate colors in stipe form i.e.; black-pink-black-pink

I doubt Lisa would wear something like that, judging from all the pics I've seen of her. Her "gangsta" friends wouldn't be caught dead in that, no pun intended.

So many just weird things collected from the crime scene. Like the pants, the key (leaving a key behind could be damning evidence), PIECES of white bags, tape. HELLO! TAPE! That stuff grabs all DNA, hair fibers, clothing fibers. You'd have to be an idiot gangsta wannabe to use tape at a crime scene.

(02-22-2011, 11:31 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 11:26 PM)kfran Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 11:18 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 11:14 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I agree with Lady Cop and whoever else said it on here...

Johnny and Lisa pulled the car into the garage and left the garage door open, since they figured they would be leaving soon.

Johnny and Lisa were on the phone with Tiffany when Johnny said he was walking out the kitchen door that connects to the garage, along come the intruders.

The altercation takes place immediately in the kitchen and they are killed. If this is what happened, then they were killed as soon as the intruders came in, which means this is not a "robbery gone bad".

Here's where you all got me thinking...

Tiffany said she did not hear Lisa's voice in the background when Johnny was arguing and hanging up the phone.

Was she, in fact, upstairs changing out of her work clothes? This would make sense. Did she start to change, hear Johnny downstairs and come running down with these pink and black pants that were found under her?

Would she wear pink and black interband pants?? And what are they anyway?

Interband pants are pants/leggings that alternate colors in stipe form i.e.; black-pink-black-pink

I doubt Lisa would wear something like that, judging from all the pics I've seen of her. Her "gangsta" friends wouldn't be caught dead in that, no pun intended.

So many just weird things collected from the crime scene. Like the pants, the key (leaving a key behind could be damning evidence), PIECES of white bags, tape. HELLO! TAPE! That stuff grabs all DNA, hair fibers, clothing fibers. You'd have to be an idiot gangsta wannabe to use tape at a crime scene.

Lady Cop,

How smart would it be to use tape at a crime scene?

Wondering if Johnny got a good stab into somebody. Though they sure
have not mentioned a blood trail so I guess not.

(02-22-2011, 11:31 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 11:26 PM)kfran Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 11:18 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 11:14 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I agree with Lady Cop and whoever else said it on here...

Johnny and Lisa pulled the car into the garage and left the garage door open, since they figured they would be leaving soon.

Johnny and Lisa were on the phone with Tiffany when Johnny said he was walking out the kitchen door that connects to the garage, along come the intruders.

The altercation takes place immediately in the kitchen and they are killed. If this is what happened, then they were killed as soon as the intruders came in, which means this is not a "robbery gone bad".

Here's where you all got me thinking...

Tiffany said she did not hear Lisa's voice in the background when Johnny was arguing and hanging up the phone.

Was she, in fact, upstairs changing out of her work clothes? This would make sense. Did she start to change, hear Johnny downstairs and come running down with these pink and black pants that were found under her?

Would she wear pink and black interband pants?? And what are they anyway?

Interband pants are pants/leggings that alternate colors in stipe form i.e.; black-pink-black-pink

So many just weird things collected from the crime scene. Like the pants, the key (leaving a key behind could be damning evidence), PIECES of white bags, tape. HELLO! TAPE! That stuff grabs all DNA, hair fibers, clothing fibers. You'd have to be an idiot gangsta wannabe to use tape at a crime scene.

I was thinking the same thing...that unless they're pajama pants or something I can't see her wearing something like that. And if they're pajama pants that leads me to believe they weren't planning on going out. But really, wtf are interband pants, I've seriously never heard that term in my life. Tell us what they were! Pajama pants, dress pants, jeans?? What?!
I doubt Lisa would wear something like that, judging from all the pics I've seen of her. Her "gangsta" friends wouldn't be caught dead in that, no pun intended.

(02-22-2011, 11:22 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 11:18 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 11:14 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: I agree with Lady Cop and whoever else said it on here...

Johnny and Lisa pulled the car into the garage and left the garage door open, since they figured they would be leaving soon.

Johnny and Lisa were on the phone with Tiffany when Johnny said he was walking out the kitchen door that connects to the garage, along come the intruders.

The altercation takes place immediately in the kitchen and they are killed. If this is what happened, then they were killed as soon as the intruders came in, which means this is not a "robbery gone bad".

they still could have been there seeking the "safe". but imagine...Johnny grabs a knife when he sees the danger and life or death struggle ensues.
i still don't believe murder was the intent. but it escalated. so they used what was at hand, household items.

i may well change my thinking when more details emerge from LE. but that was my initial reaction when it was first reported.

Ok, I got you LC, but was there not a news article that said that the Straub family said the tape was not from their home?

Correct me if I am wrong.

And like someone else on here said (sorry, can't remember the name that many posts back) why in the world would you bring tape to a robbery? To tape your bags shut? No.

toledo native: i agreed with you on the "why bring duct tape?" (if it indeed was stated that they thought it was brought to the scene... which i also recall reading although it's hard to remember where it was or who said it). i have said i can maybe see bringing bags to carry things away but the duct tape just doesn't jive in my opinion. the response by many was that it was possibly brought "to secure lisa and johnny" which makes sense. EXCEPT that if it was indeed someone they knew who was there to rob them, i don't see them taping them up while they took what they wanted and then leaving them alive and able to ID them to police etc.
so to me... bringing both the bags and the duct tape to the scene screams intent to kill (seeing that that was how they were killed). UNLESS we find either
1. that the bags and tape were not brought to the scene and rather found there and used in a pinch as things escalated as LC suggests.

2. it wasn't someone who knew them

3. that maybe it was someone who knew them but was going to try to keep it so they couldn't be ID'd (masks or blindfolds etc).

* i guess it's also possible judging from all the "no snitching" threats and nonsense some of these people throw around that they were just planning on threatening them to keep them from telling anyone they'd robbed them.

(sorry if this doesn't make sense).

(02-22-2011, 11:31 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 11:26 PM)kfran Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 11:18 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 11:14 PM)ToledoNative Wrote:

Interband pants are pants/leggings that alternate colors in stipe form i.e.; black-pink-black-pink

I doubt Lisa would wear something like that, judging from all the pics I've seen of her. Her "gangsta" friends wouldn't be caught dead in that, no pun intended.

Unless you was dressin up like Miss Daisy Mae, to do a little sexplay acting, fo yo boyfriend Li'l Abner

(02-22-2011, 11:22 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 10:40 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 09:57 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 09:48 PM)IMaDick Wrote: So does anyone want to speculate as to why they were murdered in the kitchen? you do know that the kitchen is an unusual room for a homicide to occur in in a home invasion crime of this nature. especially in a home that has a basement which by all accounts this home did have.

Where did you hear there was a basement? And don't say Maytee told you

lol, well Maytee DID tell the 911 dispatcher that Johnny was tied up, in the basement ?

Perhaps the perpetrator had been abused as a child in a kitchen.

is that the rumor you heard?