I would agree except for the fact that 1. There were signs of a struggle and I've mentioned before that I think there would be some type of bruises or marks on Z if he was in that altercation. and 2. If I'm not mistaken, the reports say that there was holes punched in walls from somone looking for the safe...do you know how hard you have to punch the walls to create holes that make it obvious you were looking for a safe??? I haven't seen one pic of any ZB that looks big enough to fight with and subdue Johnny and go around punching holes in the walls.

I just don't believe the two of them did that.
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I have 2 nephews, small guys too, about 130- 140lbs, 5'5" and I have seen them both punch holes in doors and walls, neither one of them were body builders or muscle heads, just regular teenagers with bad tempers. Not to mention sheet rock isn't like plaster, and we don't know what the walls were made of, or if they punched those holes in the walls with a weapon of some sort... but you really don't have to be that big, just scrappy and full of rage, and it was cold out so maybe they had leather winter gloves on??

It's possible...IMO

I'm still hung up on there being no obvious signs of trauma. I really am. While I truly can't picture myself in a situation like they were in I do know myself well enough to know that I wouldn't be demure in that scenario. It's going to be damn obvious I was fighting for my life.

(02-23-2011, 12:35 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 12:30 PM)toledoarea Wrote: Why does everyone think Mr. Z is some badass? This man, Johnny, he was fighting for his life. As well as his girlfriend Lisa. I'll tell ya what. I'd bet every penny I had that Mr. Z and his pregnant bitch aren't gonna come in MY house, subdue me, duct tape my hands behind my back and my girlfriends hands, and place bags over our heads and kill us. It's not gonna happen. There is NO WAY this 17 yr old strung out on drugs, mal-nutritioned punk is gonna overtake a 21 yr old man who is fighting for his life. And if you do believe that, then obviously you've never been in a fight before.

I agree with that & have thought that all along. When one knows their life is at stake one does not go quietly, I don't care what popular opinion is regarding that. I'm fighting to the death & your going to know I gave it my best shot.

Depends if they got ahold of Lisa and used her, Johnny might have just thought they were just going to rob them for drugs and money and be gone and Johnny couldn't report being robbed, let's face it, so he may have back off if somebody had a kitchen knife to Lisa's neck... and told him be cool we just here to take the drugs and find that safe and then were gone, were not here to hurt anybody...so it's funny what people will do, I have seen it a thousand times....and people says how the hell did that little scumbag overcome that big guy and his wife or his friend... it's possible...JMO

(02-23-2011, 12:40 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I'm still hung up on there being no obvious signs of trauma. I really am. While I truly can't picture myself in a situation like they were in I do know myself well enough to know that I wouldn't be demure in that scenario. It's going to be damn obvious I was fighting for my life.

Not according to Maytee and her husband, there was blood under Lisa head, so if that is true, to me that says trauma, that wasn't reported for whatever reason.

I think they punched holes in the wall because this was what was quoted:
"There is a kitchen with an island and an open eating area that went into an open family room," he told the Blade. "That was not ransacked, but you could tell there was a fight that ensued there. Plants were knocked over. Things were broken and knocked over, but upstairs, Mary Beth and Jeff's room was ransacked to the point where it looked like a TV show. All the drawers were out, and they had punched holes in the walk-in closet looking for a safe that never existed. There was no safe."

I think Mr. Z and T were involved, I don't think T put her actual hands on anybody. I think Mr. Z could have been of of two or even 3, and T was the look out.

Perhaps the bad guys had a stun gun.

3 weeks and not a word from LE, that's crazy!

(02-23-2011, 12:58 PM)broke331 Wrote: Perhaps the bad guys had a stun gun.

Possible, but LE ain't sayin too much at all, OMG I wish they would! I have myself on every update email for this case on the web!

(02-23-2011, 12:58 PM)broke331 Wrote: Perhaps the bad guys had a stun gun.

someone mentioned that idea a while back. it is possible, and will be noted in coroner's reports if so.

(02-23-2011, 01:00 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 12:58 PM)broke331 Wrote: Perhaps the bad guys had a stun gun.

Possible, but LE ain't sayin too much at all, OMG I wish they would! I have myself on every update email for this case on the web!

i'll have it before those day-late dollar-short alerts.

Maybe the actual fight was upstairs and they were left downstairs after they were done looking for a pretend safe.Maybe the plants were knocked over because they were being thrown down on the floor.Any body can guess at this.What we need is facts just the facts.Just rambling today.

(02-23-2011, 01:01 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:00 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 12:58 PM)broke331 Wrote: Perhaps the bad guys had a stun gun.

Possible, but LE ain't sayin too much at all, OMG I wish they would! I have myself on every update email for this case on the web!

i'll have it before those day-late dollar-short alerts.

FIRST PLACE I OPEN WHEN I TURN MY COMPUTER ON..M O C K!!

(02-23-2011, 01:00 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 12:58 PM)broke331 Wrote: Perhaps the bad guys had a stun gun.

someone mentioned that idea a while back. it is possible, and will be noted in coroner's reports if so.

Not so, somethings are withheld

(02-23-2011, 01:15 PM)broke331 Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:00 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 12:58 PM)broke331 Wrote: Perhaps the bad guys had a stun gun.

someone mentioned that idea a while back. it is possible, and will be noted in coroner's reports if so.

Not so, somethings are withheld

Yea, like the coroner's report

(02-23-2011, 01:15 PM)broke331 Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:00 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 12:58 PM)broke331 Wrote: Perhaps the bad guys had a stun gun.

someone mentioned that idea a while back. it is possible, and will be noted in coroner's reports if so.

Not so, somethings are withheld

i meant in discovery for trial. the DA would have it. we (the public) might not hear about autopsy reports until a trial. it would not be withheld at that point.

And as far as punch holes in the walls,who in the hell would put a safe in the wall, drywall over it. How would they get to it.

(02-23-2011, 01:14 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:01 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:00 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 12:58 PM)broke331 Wrote: Perhaps the bad guys had a stun gun.

Possible, but LE ain't sayin too much at all, OMG I wish they would! I have myself on every update email for this case on the web!

i'll have it before those day-late dollar-short alerts.

FIRST PLACE I OPEN WHEN I TURN MY COMPUTER ON..M O C K!!

Me too! My sister says I'm obsessed with this case. Gee, ya think.

Seriously though, I'm just like you all. I just really want to see the people that did this horrendous crime punished! I have faith though that they will eventually catch them, sooner then later hopefully.

(02-23-2011, 01:35 PM)broke331 Wrote: And as far as punch holes in the walls,who in the hell would put a safe in the wall, drywall over it. How would they get to it.

Good point. Why also would anybody keep $100k in cash at their house?

Since we're all bored here.. I found some more pics of Lisa. Don't think they have been posted here. If I'm not aloud to post this link, let me know so I can take it down..

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?fbid=1...id=2011306