I was meandering on FB, looking at the players' in this case friends of friends of friends of friends... and ran across this pic of Lisa. The pic was added to FB on Sept 28, 2010 but who knows when it was actually taken.

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(02-25-2011, 01:22 AM)pspence Wrote: You are the 2^nd person that has told me that book is fascinating...I'm going to get it tomorrow!

you keep forgetting to quote someone. it's hard to follow who you are answering.

(02-25-2011, 01:40 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 09:37 PM)netsleuth Wrote: Quick recap.

Tiffany stated that she was going to play pool with a friend at the Straubs and that her boyfriend couldn't make it, as he was at home doing a paper for school.

She stated that the police have looked at/examined her phone records (verifying that her record of conversations was correct) but did not need to confiscate her phone to do so.

She indicated that the police have interviewed at least three people. Herself, her boyfriend and an unnamed party, known as the minor.

She stated that she did not feel robbery was the primary motive and that this crime was of a more personal nature. She indicated that she had an idea that no one else was expected at the Straub home that evening. And, she feels a person who was involved in a robbery with JC years back could be a prime suspect.

She said that JC said he was planning to call her back after responding to someone saying essentially what are you doing here, who are you. She stated this is why she did not contact police immediately.

She indicated that she could not hear Lisa or the mystery man who was in the home at the time in question.

She stated that she did not see inside the home, or claim it was ransacked, at any time.

Please add to the recap as you see fit. Just trying to consolidate info.

Tiffany/Mock members, feel free to correct anything I have wrong.

Thanks again for joining us Tiffany. We look forward to learning more.

worth going over again...

I don't know where the above original quote is on this thread. It is from "netsleuth" and he/she is no longer posting on this forum. I think there should be a correction. Above it states that she did not see inside the home but, I believe she stated on this forum that she looked in the side windows of the front door and saw a closet open at the top of the stairs. I think she said that Maytee may have embellished that comment and turned it into "ransacked".

(02-25-2011, 03:43 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: I was meandering on FB, looking at the players' in this case friends of friends of friends of friends... and ran across this pic of Lisa. The pic was added to FB on Sept 28, 2010 but who knows when it was actually taken.

Wow! What a find RJs-EX Thanks!

(02-25-2011, 02:06 AM)c-bus Wrote: My opinion only...I believe johnny and lisa partied and used some drugs. Johnny may have dealt in some small time drugs because of the crowd they was in and it was easy to get rid of the small amount that he may have been fronted. If he indeed owed the wrong people money they may have died behind the debt. I do not believe he was dealing big time or he would have had his own car and his girl would not have been a waitress(she would have been focusing on school). On he other hand drugs do bad things to people and maybe someone close to them wanted what they had or thought they had. Toledo has some gangsters but I do not believe TW is a real one. She's lost and she definitely runs with the wrong crowd and really I believe that's all she knows. I believe her group wants to be gangsters but really they are thugs. Gangsters wouldn't kill their frIends over some pills but thugs do what ever to get what they want.

Maybe I'm just tired but, I am confused by your quote. It sounds like you're defending Tiff a little bit but, I'm not sure. You say she is not a gangster but a thug. Then you say that a thug would commit this crime. So you're saying that Tiff IS capable of committing this crime? What is your definition of a gangster? You honestly don't believe that a gangster would kill someone for pills? Gangsters will kill someone for loking at them the wrong way or wearing the wrong color shirt!!

(02-25-2011, 01:13 AM)fabulous Wrote:

(02-25-2011, 12:58 AM)pspence Wrote: ShitStorm. You indeed sound like a very very cool person. Have to ask you though...I've read a lot about mental illnesses, personality disorders, etc. and even taught a university class on a related topic ...my question is "how can there possibly be that MANY psychopaths/sociopaths"? I know there are a lot more in our society than we think...no remorse, conscience, etc. even a lot of CEO's ...neighbors, etc. but how can we have - it's almost like a generation of them in these areas...I don't understand that part of it.

have you read "The sociopath next door" by Martha Stout.
highly acclaimed and very informative and scary!!!!

I did read that. Didn't like the subtle political agenda, but the info on sociopaths was good.

(02-25-2011, 03:43 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: I was meandering on FB, looking at the players' in this case friends of friends of friends of friends... and ran across this pic of Lisa. The pic was added to FB on Sept 28, 2010 but who knows when it was actually taken.

Tiffany and Donald's niece in there. Some of he guys we may have run across, too.

Big change from the "Summer Fun" pics a year before.

(02-25-2011, 01:12 AM)shitstorm Wrote: I'm sure they were neglected and/or abused. A mistake that modern society makes is in thinking they can be "fixed" at a later age.

I so agree with this comment.

(02-25-2011, 12:29 AM)pspence Wrote: I haven't changed my mind...(about Tiffany - I still don't think she had anything to do with it) sorry...i must have done the reply button wrong...I cut and pasted the quote someone else had written about M*P*Y* to put in the context how it was referenced and I was trying to figure out what those initials stood for

just wondering are you still friends on Tiffany's FB page?

(02-25-2011, 03:43 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: I was meandering on FB, looking at the players' in this case friends of friends of friends of friends... and ran across this pic of Lisa. The pic was added to FB on Sept 28, 2010 but who knows when it was actually taken.

Excellent find, and so easy to spot the odd person out here. I'm sure Lisa had no idea how much out of her depth she was and that she wasn't just partying with 'gangstas' but with hardened criminals.

(02-25-2011, 04:40 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-25-2011, 01:13 AM)fabulous Wrote:

(02-25-2011, 12:58 AM)pspence Wrote: ShitStorm. You indeed sound like a very very cool person. Have to ask you though...I've read a lot about mental illnesses, personality disorders, etc. and even taught a university class on a related topic ...my question is "how can there possibly be that MANY psychopaths/sociopaths"? I know there are a lot more in our society than we think...no remorse, conscience, etc. even a lot of CEO's ...neighbors, etc. but how can we have - it's almost like a generation of them in these areas...I don't understand that part of it.

have you read "The sociopath next door" by Martha Stout.
highly acclaimed and very informative and scary!!!!

I did read that. Didn't like the subtle political agenda, but the info on sociopaths was good.

Now I'm going to have to read it!

(02-25-2011, 12:50 AM)pspence Wrote: none of her brushes with the law (Tiffany's) were in recent years...she truly seemed distraught to me...

TIFF was just charged with false info to LE in oct! Yes after looking at her mom I'm sure her childhood was hell, but that doesn't mean we can just ignore her current behavior and blindly believe what she says is fact. I don't know if she is involved or not, but b/c of her current behavior (current being 5 years to now) I have to at least question everything she says.

Part of what storm is getting at I think is that society must stop the pity party. It must stop saying "we will ignore your current behavior and give you the benefit of the doubt because your childhood made you like this. you get extra special treatment b/c we failed you in the past, even though you on your own are a drag on society now as an adult" I hate to be a prick, but to fuckin' bad. Adult, is the key here. responsible for your own actions. we all had something in our childhood that was fucked up. they need to shut the fuck up and get over it and get themselves and decide to do something with themselves. Yea, it will be hard, and yea, they will have to work to make it happen. thats real life. just part of the social contract. The easiest first step is stay away from the shit bags that are not going any where.

BTW I find it very scary that iraq vet didn't get the gansta slapped out of him when he served. usually the military really sets people straight. hence the boot camp style of juvi reform camps.

(02-25-2011, 03:43 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: I was meandering on FB, looking at the players' in this case friends of friends of friends of friends... and ran across this pic of Lisa. The pic was added to FB on Sept 28, 2010 but who knows when it was actually taken.

I also found this pic the other day..is it just me or does the last few pics of Tiff we've seen look as if she's not even having that much fun? At least compared to some of her pics from my space and ones on her own page? She just is barely even smiling and as much as loves her new boy, why is it that he isn't in any of these last couple pictures?

RJ? Doesn't it seem that the persons FB that this pic was on was very good friends with JC? and his mom!

RJ's-Ex, do you mind sending me the link to the page these pics were on? I've looked at a lot of pics so far, many that I'd like to forget, but haven't stumbled across this one.

I agree with you about TW too - looks like nobody's home inside.

(02-25-2011, 07:08 AM)lou1975 Wrote: just wondering are you still friends on Tiffany's FB page?

I was wondering the same thing. When did she last contact you?

(02-25-2011, 08:55 AM)notsure Wrote:

(02-25-2011, 12:50 AM)pspence Wrote: none of her brushes with the law (Tiffany's) were in recent years...she truly seemed distraught to me...

TIFF was just charged with false info to LE in oct! Yes after looking at her mom I'm sure her childhood was hell, but that doesn't mean we can just ignore her current behavior and blindly believe what she says is fact. I don't know if she is involved or not, but b/c of her current behavior (current being 5 years to now) I have to at least question everything she says.

Part of what storm is getting at I think is that society must stop the pity party. It must stop saying "we will ignore your current behavior and give you the benefit of the doubt because your childhood made you like this. you get extra special treatment b/c we failed you in the past, even though you on your own are a drag on society now as an adult" I hate to be a prick, but to fuckin' bad. Adult, is the key here. responsible for your own actions. we all had something in our childhood that was fucked up. they need to shut the fuck up and get over it and get themselves and decide to do something with themselves. Yea, it will be hard, and yea, they will have to work to make it happen. thats real life. just part of the social contract. The easiest first step is stay away from the shit bags that are not going any where.

BTW I find it very scary that iraq vet didn't get the gansta slapped out of him when he served. usually the military really sets people straight. hence the boot camp style of juvi reform camps.

Thank you for pointing this out about Tiff's arrest in October. I had been waiting until I caught up on posts, but was going to say the say the same thing.
I also want to address the issue of Tiff not being a "Real Gangsta." I'm not sure why you (pspence) wouldn't think someone who threatens people with physical violence over FB constantly, was raised by a gun-
toting lady who flaunts her heroin sales service on myspace, has been arrested numerous times including an arrest just a few months ago for lying to police, frolicks with KNOWN gang-bangers who have lengthy criminal records, has an ex who was murdered during a home invasion robbery less than a year ago, and parties standing in his blood (and her "Donald's Widow" pajama jeans) as a memorial is not real gangsta. This is exactly Gangsta! And her whole - "I ain't scured" attitude is what gets her in trouble.
As someone who is from the area, let me just tell you that I had to drive on Western the other day and I WAS SCURED! I had a friend in High School who was dating a guy from 300 block and could have been Lisa. She would have me drive her over to her BF's house once in a while and it was full of parties exactly as you see in Tiff's pictures. It would get VERY scurry when someone would knock on the door and half the people would go into hiding and two guys with guns would stand behind the guy getting ready to open the door "just in case." I ended up at such a place because I was with a friend and was NOT going to leave her there alone. I was a young, dumb girl from the suburbs who knew better, but this is how TW and her crew LIVE!

have you read "The sociopath next door" by Martha Stout.
highly acclaimed and very informative and scary!!!!

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Dying to read the book and will get it today...I'm curious...what could be the subtle political agenda on a book about sociopaths? I would think fear of sociopaths in our society would be bi-partisan...what is it anti-or pro death penalty or something like that?

just wondering are you still friends on Tiffany's FB page?


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(02-25-2011, 02:05 AM)sealed27 Wrote: Yes and thank God they caught the killer

OMG! Already? How were they connected to the couple? Was it gang related?

(02-25-2011, 03:43 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: I was meandering on FB, looking at the players' in this case friends of friends of friends of friends... and ran across this pic of Lisa. The pic was added to FB on Sept 28, 2010 but who knows when it was actually taken.

Yep, and look who is standing right behind Lisa....geez, and I recognize a couple of other faces in there too...