(02-26-2011, 02:43 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: Random thought...

More recent pics of Lisa, the pic of Johnny and Lisa that is my avatar...

Her hair is longer, she looks thinner. I know doing drugs will make you loose weight, but she looks almost like a different person. I'm not saying she did drugs. I don't know that. All the pics I've seen of her partying, I saw her drinking and smoking ciggarettes.

I noticed this too and I didn't know whether it was the drugs or just her age. I was about that age when I lost my "baby fat" and my looks matured a little more which hers seemed to do. She was very beautiful either way!

(02-26-2011, 03:53 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-26-2011, 03:28 AM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-26-2011, 03:24 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-26-2011, 03:10 AM)curious Wrote:

(02-26-2011, 02:52 AM)shitstorm Wrote: What are you driving at?

Not 100% sure yet, but as much as i hate to think it from the very beginning ive thought JC's parents are somehow imvolved...specifically the dad, so I'm just throwing things out there...hopefully to prove myself wrong

No way.

I would like that big blocc (lol) of time accounted for, though.

I KNEW IT!
Shitstorm is a Crip! LOL

It looks like they all spell that way, to me. Why don't they use the letter K?

Because "ck" is another gang sign (that I can do ) and it stands for "Crip Killer", so Crips won't ever put the two letters together. Gosh, I shouldn't know this.

(02-26-2011, 01:26 AM)fabulous Wrote: The killers were caught in the act and they knew that should J & L report them to the authorities, they will go back to jail. Why back to jail? Because, I believe, that while Johnny was in jail, he must have told someone about his drug dealings and money in the safe. The killers wanted the money and the drugs. They did not expect to be caught, hence the reason they came unarmed.

No. Johnny didn't meet lisa until shortly after he got out of prison. prison not jail.

Reading through the comments on this website for Toledo gangs has left me thinking there isn't a single person left in Toledo with a brain. I'm feeling pretty sheltered having grown up in the suburbs right now....

(02-26-2011, 03:34 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 12:34 PM)aileen Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 12:16 PM)kitty1 Wrote:

(02-17-2011, 11:59 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: I never got to read "Grieving Friend" either, I didn't copy it fast enough, lol!

i'm pretty sure that "grieving friend" and are one in the same. They both posted the same info about Mr.Z calling her mom looking for money!!!!!!!!!!! diddn't anyone else catch that? The original post was on WS forum. it was removed. someone cut and pasted it to another forum where it still is (MDS)post 112 page 5. grieving friend also posted on TCR. the mother of grieving friend is friends with Mr Z's mom. the mother of xxx is friends with mr Z's mom

post112 page 5 as kitty1 above mentioned...

am a grieving friend. I have a lot of information on this case. I am writing to get my own emotion off my chest and get any information from you (the people). Where to start,

Part 1: My mother gets a phone call around 10:00pm Sunday night from a guy by the name Mr.Z who dates the girl who was on the phone with johnny at 11:00pm the night the murders took place. Mr.Z was trying to borrow money from my mom and said it was for diapers for his child that he's going to be watching within the next couple of days. My mom who is a friend of his mom knows that he has a percocet addiction so she says no that she had no money, she had bills to pay earlier that day. The next day I get a phone call letting me know what happened to Lisa, and I call my mom grieving and telling her what happened and she lets me know that Mr.Z just had the cops over his house and had taken him downtown. Since Mr.Z phone was the last one to talk to Johnny. She then lets me know he was trying to get money off her that night.

Part 2: The girl who was on the phone with Johnny. We'll call her Ms.T I have been over to Mr.Z house over the years since he lives with his mom and I help her out on occasions. Well over the past few weeks I've gone over there she had first let me know that Mr.Z was dating a heroin dealer by the name of Ms.T. I was like wow. She said she buys him whatever he wants. New shoes, clothing, dinners. Problem is Mr.Z likes to run all over his mom so she lets him get away with about anything. About 2 weeks ago I go over there and she tells me hes been doing really bad and has been going through withdraws from percocet.

Part 3: The 911 calls were released. I listened to them and Johnny's mother said that Ms.T had talked to her son cause they were going to hang out over at Lisa parents and they were waiting to be picked up. Ms.T said she was on the phone with Johnny and heard the saying from the paper that was:'Who are you? What do you want? What are you doing here? (which that isn't what was said I come to find out. I'll address that next. She says she heard the phone drop and then the phone went dead. We'll the mother states Ms.T drove to the house (w/ Mr.Z) and tried to ring the door bell a bunch of times and had no answer so she then called a girl named Shirita who then called a Ruben who then called the mother. Which then the mother contacted the police at 1:21 a.m. So, here's what I'm getting, at 11:00 o'clock Ms. T hears the robbery taking place so she drives over to Lisa's house which its a 20 min drive from South St. rings the door bell and no one answers? So she stays there and calls here friend Shirita instead of calling the cops? Well Ms.T and Mr.Z leave the scene and somehow gets a hold of Johnny's dad which they go pick him up then drive back to the house which the cops show about then.

Part. 4: Wednesday the 2^nd I get a phone call from Mr.Z's mom asking for help with a phone she found in her room and that her laptop was stolen right out her bedroom with the case. Like someone in the house had the time to package it all up and then take it. I say it was probably your son since he a percaddicit, she agreed. She asked me how I was doing and I said I'm upset over what happened to Lisa she says yea Mr.Z had the cops over there since Johnny was Mr.Z's best friend and that Ms.T was on the phone with Johnny at the time it happen. I thought here's my chance to ask whatever I can to get whatever info that Mr.Z and told his Mom. So I began asking questions. I asked what did she say to you when she was on the phone with Johnny? She said Johnny said first, "Hey bro, what are you doing here?" like in a more serious tone. Then Johnny says, "Who, the **** are you!" and she couldn't hear what they were saying that Johnny started yelling, then the phone went dead. I asked could she hear Lisa, she said no she didn't hear anything from Lisa. I asked "How were they found? Do you know?" She said bound up with electrical cords with bags over their heads. Stunned that she said electrical cords. I said yea I listened to the 911 calls and Johnny's mom said that she could see them bound up with Johnny's phone on him. I said if Ms.T said the phone dropped why was the phone on him? She states yes he had his phone on his chest with his wallet also on his chest. Just stunned that she knew this information. I said, "I knew Lisa but I didn't know Mr. Z knew Lisa." She said that Johnny had been dating her over the past few months and introduced her to percocet, that the group of them had been doing. She also stated Johnny had called Mr.Z a few nights before the murders occured and said that the parents were going out of town for a week and that they had a nice house with a pool table. She said Mr.Z went over to the house the night before the murders occurred and that they were probably doing percocets. She also said Johnny had called Mr.Z that day looking to see if he could find percocets for him. So Johnny had enough money on him that day to buy percocets and before Ms.T called Johnny that night, Mr.Z had called my mom one hour prior, looking to get money from her and he couldn't get it. If he was supppose to get money from my mom, who lives 20 minutes away from Mr. Z, why would he leave to get the money if he was getting picked up by Johnny and Lisa? He would have already of had a way to get to Lisa's house, which would mean he wouldn't have needed a ride to get there.

In my opinion, Ms.T and Mr.Z were feining for percocet, they didn't have the cash to get it, Johnny probably already found percocets. If Johnny already had the percocet and didn't share with Mr.Z, that pissed him off or just couldn't pay him for it so the two went over to the house in Mr.Z's mom's car. They already knew the layout from the night before. They either went through the garage door which was probably left open from when Lisa and Johnny got home and parked Lisa's car in the garage. The door opens into the kitchen which is normally never locked and that's where everything took place. Johnny saw Mr.Z and said bro, what are you doing here and Mr.Z said I got the money even though he didn't. Johnny turned around and Mr.Z pistol whipped him knocking Johnny out. Mr.Z put the bag over Johnny's head cause, yes it was his friend and he didn't want to see his face and the look on Johnny's face for what he was going to do there. They either took the percs and then searched through the house for whatever money they could find, then went out through the garage, shutting it behind them then called Shirita and made up the story about how she was on the phone with Johnny and heard a robbery. Shirita called Ruben, who then called Johnny's mom. Ms.T and Mr.Z get a hold of Johnny's dad and leave the scene and show back up with the dad to be like, why would we do it and then go get the father? Then the cops show up 2 hours from the time the murders took place.

Iknow this is long, but it really has some info in it I hadnt read before. I hadnt read this post before. Its very very interesting, and is very compelling in its conclusion as to what happened. It leans a lil more to what Ive been thinking all along about T and Z.
Anyone else put any credence to all this??

Sorry, LC, but I think I need to leave the whole post(s) in here when I speak on this, so you can see what I'm referring to.

Alot of what was said in these points makes sense.

I'm confused as to why Tiffany has two boyfriends? If I am reading all this correctly. She has slept with the minor and bought him things? Yet she is dating and pregnant by the one in hiding?

Does Tiffany have custody of her kids? Does the minor watch her kids?? Does she let the addict minor babysit her kids?

Big and pregnant Tiffany would have had to participate in the crime and killings in order for both Johnny and Lisa to be overtaken, in my opinion. She was not an innocent bystander.

If Johnny had been pistol whipped, there would've been noticable wounds and/or blood on his head or face, it is fact that there were none (so, again, Tiffany would've had to have helped).

That's all I'll say for now. I have to get ready to go to (college) classes all day. I do believe that this story might be truth.
Thank you so much for posting this, ISAWF!

(02-26-2011, 04:41 AM)DickTracy Wrote: I think I am so caught up with this case....its making me delusional

You and everybody else, "bro". Join the club. None of us are sleeping very well and we are delusional, lol. (Did you see my post about how I saw a Johnny look alike the other day??)

TN: Sorry, LC, but I think I need to leave the whole post(s) in here when I speak on this, so you can see what I'm referring to.


that's OK. i give the post a lot of credence for various reasons.

(02-26-2011, 08:48 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: Sorry, LC, but I think I need to leave the whole post(s) in here when I speak on this, so you can see what I'm referring to.

Alot of what was said in these points makes sense.

I'm confused as to why Tiffany has two boyfriends? If I am reading all this correctly. She has slept with the minor and bought him things? Yet she is dating and pregnant by the one in hiding?

Does Tiffany have custody of her kids? Does the minor watch her kids?? Does she let the addict minor babysit her kids?

Big and pregnant Tiffany would have had to participate in the crime and killings in order for both Johnny and Lisa to be overtaken, in my opinion. She was not an innocent bystander.

If Johnny had been pistol whipped, there would've been noticable wounds and/or blood on his head or face, it is fact that there were none (so, again, Tiffany would've had to have helped).

That's all I'll say for now. I have to get ready to go to (college) classes all day. I do believe that this story might be truth.
Thank you so much for posting this, ISAWF!

Tiffany does not have custody of her kids. It seems her baby daddy's do and she occasionally writes them on facebook wanting to know how they are and when she can see them. From posts I saw when her facebook was still public, it appeared she had a girlfriend as well as the 2 boyfriends. Not sure about the rest, but from the looks of Johnny and the looks of the minor and Tiffany, I would have thought he could have overpowered both of them.

(02-26-2011, 02:23 AM)TotallyCurious Wrote: UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoever did do this...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Needs to pay!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... they planned it. They planned it because they went to that house with tape and bags. I hope and pray the cops find them before I do!

Maybe I read to many "punisher" comics as a kid, but deep down I think it would be fitting if Clarke Sr and Maytee find the killers first.

Just throwing this out there: A while back someone was talking about neighbors spotting a suspicious white van in the area shortly before the killings. Well, cant everyone agree that it's strange for Maytee to call her cousin in the middle of the night for a ride when she has two working "white vans." So this was the beginning of her elaborate staging.
-Keep her vehicle out of an active crime scene.
-use a cousin who is in the military to appear more credable.
-make sure that John was the one who finds the body's.
Let's pray that Detectives don't screw this up.

bros and sis's look. Why does everybody keep mentioning percs and pills and what not? There were two digital scales found at the scene. You don't weigh pills when dealing/buying them, you deal/buy by the count of pills not the weight. The drug(s) being dealt/bought were either weed, cocaine, or any other drug that is sold by weight and not count.

(02-25-2011, 08:36 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Someone on Mock wondered what the tattoo said on Lisa's wrist - I tried to zoom in and it looks like it could be "Happiness"

Heres a link to the photograph - I tried to post direct but alas, no luck! http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1...81&theater

That guy with her in this photo, pops up a lot in the other pictures with Tiffany and her com-padres, his initial is C.

(02-26-2011, 08:54 AM)purplepegasus Wrote:

(02-26-2011, 08:48 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: Sorry, LC, but I think I need to leave the whole post(s) in here when I speak on this, so you can see what I'm referring to.

Alot of what was said in these points makes sense.

I'm confused as to why Tiffany has two boyfriends? If I am reading all this correctly. She has slept with the minor and bought him things? Yet she is dating and pregnant by the one in hiding?

Does Tiffany have custody of her kids? Does the minor watch her kids?? Does she let the addict minor babysit her kids?

Big and pregnant Tiffany would have had to participate in the crime and killings in order for both Johnny and Lisa to be overtaken, in my opinion. She was not an innocent bystander.

If Johnny had been pistol whipped, there would've been noticable wounds and/or blood on his head or face, it is fact that there were none (so, again, Tiffany would've had to have helped).

That's all I'll say for now. I have to get ready to go to (college) classes all day. I do believe that this story might be truth.
Thank you so much for posting this, ISAWF!

Tiffany does not have custody of her kids. It seems her baby daddy's do and she occasionally writes them on facebook wanting to know how they are and when she can see them. From posts I saw when her facebook was still public, it appeared she had a girlfriend as well as the 2 boyfriends. Not sure about the rest, but from the looks of Johnny and the looks of the minor and Tiffany, I would have thought he could have overpowered both of them.

But one of her baby daddies (Donald) is deceased. Does she have that baby boy?

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[b][color=#FFDAB9]a little editorializing...

LC, I couldn't agree with you more. When I speak to my co-workers, in Toledo, about this case they don't even know who, or what I am talking about. I believe WE are a bunch of UNIQUE individuals with inquiring minds.

I found this interesting while I was reading on that Toledo Gang website that was posted a few posts back: MAN IMA SOUTHEND CHOLO STRAIGHT FRM 300 WESTERN BLOCC ND I JUS WANNA LET U KNO ARE COLORZ ARE NAVY BLUE AND NORTH CAROLINA BABY BLUE NOT YELLOW
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N.C baby blue is the same color as the wrist bands that are a tribute to Johnny that another poster posted pics of earlier....

awww....so now his homies can wear the wrist band and still represent!

(02-26-2011, 07:50 AM)curious Wrote: Ok was surfing the web and happened on a site where someone posted that Sharita is the girlfriend of JC's best friend and RUMOR has it she was having an affair with John Clark, Sr....has anyone else heard this?

maybe that's why the restraining orders were filed against one another.
Maybe Serita (I think that's how it's spelled on the docket) is pronounced SHerita.

John Sr. He had the misfortune to marry a rotten soul of a human. His immediate family wouldn't even speak to him because they all can't stand his wife. Maytee is the puppet master and controls his life...he goes along with her because it's easier, she can make his life living hell. They have no relationship...he hates her guts just like everyone else.

(02-26-2011, 09:35 AM)truth be told Wrote: John Sr. He had the misfortune to marry a rotten soul of a human. His immediate family wouldn't even speak to him because they all can't stand his wife. Maytee is the puppet master and controls his life...he goes along with her because it's easier, she can make his life living hell. They have no relationship...he hates her guts just like everyone else.

This is what I've heard as well. I'm a friend of the Clarke's but didn't know John Sr. very well. He never seemed to be around, maybe prison or hiding out a lot or something. I do know he was the very quiet type.

(02-26-2011, 09:35 AM)truth be told Wrote: John Sr. He had the misfortune to marry a rotten soul of a human. His immediate family wouldn't even speak to him because they all can't stand his wife. Maytee is the puppet master and controls his life...he goes along with her because it's easier, she can make his life living hell. They have no relationship...he hates her guts just like everyone else.

I feel sorry (no I don't) for the idiots who did this to Johnny and Lisa. When John Sr. finds out who all was involved and had knowledge, he is going to want to hurt somebody. And he is one big mother fucker.

(02-26-2011, 09:40 AM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-26-2011, 09:35 AM)truth be told Wrote: John Sr. He had the misfortune to marry a rotten soul of a human. His immediate family wouldn't even speak to him because they all can't stand his wife. Maytee is the puppet master and controls his life...he goes along with her because it's easier, she can make his life living hell. They have no relationship...he hates her guts just like everyone else.

I feel sorry (no I don't) for the idiots who did this to Johnny and Lisa. When John Sr. finds out who all was involved and had knowledge, he is going to want to hurt somebody. And he is one big mother fucker.

One big mother fucker who's been to jail and just lost his son to a heinous crime. Yeah, I wouldn't fuck with this guy with an army behind me at this point.