(03-01-2011, 07:55 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: thanks for posting something that wasn't from facebook!!

i take issue with this from article:

"It wasn't random. It wasn't a robbery. It was professional," Lucas County Sheriff's Sergeant Jame Schiavone said.

The sergeant gave an update on the murder investigation to the Springfiled Township Trustees as part of his monthly sheriff's report at the February 22 meeting.

that was Feb 22. this is March 1. they may have changed their thinking by now. maybe.

no i don't believe it was random. but i also don't believe it was "professional". pros don't kill with plastic bags. they execute with head shots and leave.
they don't leave a mess and DNA behind.

I completely agree with you, LC. I disagree with the professional part too.

(03-01-2011, 08:01 PM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: Wow.
Thats alot of info.
What happened to the 28,000 in reward money? Maybe they havent had
time to get the corporate check from TGIFridays yet to get it into the
fund.
So, do you think they are saying they are NOT in the area of the Straubs
only? Or gone from Ohio, period?
Makes no mention of any arrests...BUT...I wouldnt put it past LE
to go ahead and find these people and get them into custody before
they left the country or disappeared into the underground somewhere.

I like to think that they are working in making arrests....doesn't make me feel very confident though when he states they aren't in the area. Unless they are following them and know where they are.

(03-01-2011, 07:42 PM)DCTim Wrote: I ws just looking thru some of the pics posted on various peoples' FB pages (people who have been mentioned here and may or may not be connected) and can't help but wonder: Is there some gang rule that says the minute a camera is focused your way you MUST show your gang sign? I mean, none of these folks can look into a camera, it seems, without throwing a sign. Maybe I've just not noticed it before this case...

(03-01-2011, 08:03 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 03:24 PM)blueyes Wrote: I'm not knocking anyone but they are career criminals n looks by their fb that they were wanted and running way before the unfortunate murders! And we are talkin bout wanna be Santa's from Toledo they don't know what rapping for their sets even means! They are both WHITE as can be and callin each other nigga....... LOL they are comical, someone needs to take this hood rats and drop them in Cabrini Green in Chicago and see how hard they are then! Everyone on here has great theory's just can't wait to find out what the truth really is!

I don't think Cabrini Green is there anymore??
Ahhhh, I even miss Cabrini Green!

It's not. At least not in one centralized location. It's scattered in bits and pieces all over the suburbs now.

Sgt. Schiavone said he believes the drug-related crime was a professional "hit," instigated by actions of the victims.

WOW! figured it was drug related, but a professional "hit"!!! ... Looks like Pink was right from the get-go. Hmmmm

(03-01-2011, 07:55 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 07:52 PM)curious Wrote: LC this forum has record of IP addresses, correct?

of course. why?

Just curious given the amount of public interest this crime has generated, specifically with the likes of FB and online forums, if LE could potentially (although highly unlikely) subpoena info when/if the case is brought to trial..

(03-01-2011, 08:10 PM)Jane Wrote: Sgt. Schiavone said he believes the drug-related crime was a professional "hit," instigated by actions of the victims.

WOW! figured it was drug related, but a professional "hit"!!! ... Looks like Pink was right from the get-go. Hmmmm

i disagree. post 8893. but that's only my opinion.

thanks for posting something that wasn't from facebook!!

i take issue with this from article:

"It wasn't random. It wasn't a robbery. It was professional," Lucas County Sheriff's Sergeant Jame Schiavone said.

The sergeant gave an update on the murder investigation to the Springfiled Township Trustees as part of his monthly sheriff's report at the February 22 meeting.

that was Feb 22. this is March 1. they may have changed their thinking by now. maybe.

no i don't believe it was random. but i also don't believe it was "professional". pros don't kill with plastic bags. they execute with head shots and leave.
they don't leave a mess and DNA behind.

Sgt. Schiavone said he believes the drug-related crime was a professional "hit," instigated by actions of the victims.

instigate 1. To urge on; goad. 2. To stir up; foment

http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/bci

Criminal Identification and
Investigation (BCI)

The Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation, known as BCI, helps police departments and county sheriffs across the state by providing key support services free of charge.

BCI staff members analyze DNA samples to help catch criminals and solve cold cases. Police agencies around the state frequently ask for BCI investigators to assist at crime scenes and draw on the Bureau’s expertise in growing criminal problems, such as cyber crime.

BCI field agents are always on call to respond to crime scenes and assist local law enforcement agencies with their investigations.

Additionally, BCI is home to the state’s Automated Fingerprint Identification System (AFIS), which contains the prints of millions along with their corresponding criminal histories, and the electronic Sex Offender Registration and Notification (eSORN) database, among other resources.

Its services are broken down into three areas:

* Identification
* Investigations
* Laboratory

LC:: Do you think this is the "norm" or do you think this is for special cases?
Is there any significance to their involvement, in your opinion?

(03-01-2011, 08:10 PM)Jane Wrote: Sgt. Schiavone said he believes the drug-related crime was a professional "hit," instigated by actions of the victims.

WOW! figured it was drug related, but a professional "hit"!!! ... Looks like Pink was right from the get-go. Hmmmm

Was just thinking the same thing...

Wild: LC:: Do you think this is the "norm" or do you think this is for special cases?
Is there any significance to their involvement, in your opinion?


i am sure it is routine in cases such as murder. i also think the FBI was utilized for their labs.

(03-01-2011, 08:13 PM)curious Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 08:10 PM)Jane Wrote: Sgt. Schiavone said he believes the drug-related crime was a professional "hit," instigated by actions of the victims.

WOW! figured it was drug related, but a professional "hit"!!! ... Looks like Pink was right from the get-go. Hmmmm

Was just thinking the same thing...

post 8893
no i don't believe it was random. but i also don't believe it was "professional". pros don't kill with plastic bags. they execute with head shots and leave.
they don't leave a mess and DNA behind.

(03-01-2011, 08:15 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Wild: LC:: Do you think this is the "norm" or do you think this is for special cases?
Is there any significance to their involvement, in your opinion?


i am sure it is routine in cases such as murder. i also think the FBI was utilized for their labs.

Thank you for answering

(03-01-2011, 08:16 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: post 8893
no i don't believe it was random. but i also don't believe it was "professional". pros don't kill with plastic bags. they execute with head shots and leave.
they don't leave a mess and DNA behind.

right, I read this, LC, but it sure it odd, Pink's theory was exactly like this. Professional hit, due to drugs, most likely, & Pink even said the perps have left Ohio. He/she also posted this crime will never be solved, & if it is, it will be a long long time from now. Just very weird, IMO

(03-01-2011, 08:24 PM)Jane Wrote: right, I read this, LC, but it sure it odd, Pink's theory was exactly like this. Professional hit, due to drugs, most likely, & Pink even said the perps have left Ohio. He/she also posted this crime will never be solved, & if it is, it will be a long long time from now. Just very weird, IMO

I found - pinkyfloyd - aka "pink" to be informative but confrontational and suddenly "gone". Was it pinks choice? might someone be able to summon pink up again?

::devilban::

(03-01-2011, 08:32 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: I found - pinkyfloyd - aka "pink" to be informative but confrontational and suddenly "gone". Was it pinks choice? might someone be able to summon pink up again?

::devilban::

oh yes, Pink enjoyed making jabs at others' opinions/speculations, for sure! He/she claimed they were from Ohio, or use to be? ... Or was it he still has a brother living in Toledo? Can't remember, now, but apparently he/she knew a lot about the area...just seems so odd, being this is what their opinion was, so early on.

(03-01-2011, 07:55 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: thanks for posting something that wasn't from facebook!!
i take issue with this from article:

"It wasn't random. It wasn't a robbery. It was professional," Lucas County Sheriff's Sergeant Jame Schiavone said.

The sergeant gave an update on the murder investigation to the Springfiled Township Trustees as part of his monthly sheriff's report at the February 22 meeting.

that was Feb 22. this is March 1. they may have changed their thinking by now. maybe.

no i don't believe it was random. but i also don't believe it was "professional". pros don't kill with plastic bags. they execute with head shots and leave.
they don't leave a mess and DNA behind.

"Sgt. Schiavone said he believes the drug-related crime was a professional "hit," instigated by actions of the victims."

I agree, this has me thinking that JC/LS must have fucked with somebody's money/drugs who's pretty established on the southside, that's exactly what I thought to begin with, that JC was on somebody else turf trying to do business, or somebody fronted him a big amount of drugs to sell and he fucked up, maybe blew the money!! So, no more speculation about drugs thats' for sure, and he literally said it wasn't a robbery!! Sorry, but I just can't see a professional running over there with duct tape and plastic bags in hand, that sounds more like a couple of chump punks, who may have been paid to do it, and maybe that's why the Sheriff is calling it professional because they were paid to kill them? JC should have stayed away from that southside, established drug pins do not like people trying to horn in on their business or don't like people who they front drugs to not to come through with the money for the drugs they were fronted, so they must have provoked some serious players! Whoever went there was probably looking for the drugs he was fronted (or his own drugs) or the money, and hey why not check the rest of the place too!

below is one of Pink's comments -

This was a pro saying loud and clear, "Johnny fucked me. This is what I do to to people who fuck me. This is what I do to the loved ones of the people who fuck me. Don't fuck me."

-pink

(03-01-2011, 08:38 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 07:55 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: thanks for posting something that wasn't from facebook!!
i take issue with this from article:

"It wasn't random. It wasn't a robbery. It was professional," Lucas County Sheriff's Sergeant Jame Schiavone said.

The sergeant gave an update on the murder investigation to the Springfiled Township Trustees as part of his monthly sheriff's report at the February 22 meeting.

that was Feb 22. this is March 1. they may have changed their thinking by now. maybe.

no i don't believe it was random. but i also don't believe it was "professional". pros don't kill with plastic bags. they execute with head shots and leave.
they don't leave a mess and DNA behind.

"Sgt. Schiavone said he believes the drug-related crime was a professional "hit," instigated by actions of the victims."

I agree, this has me thinking that JC/LS must have fucked with somebody's money/drugs who's pretty established on the southside, that's exactly what I thought to begin with, that JC was on somebody else turf trying to do business, or somebody fronted him a big amount of drugs to sell and he fucked up, maybe blew the money!! So, no more speculation about drugs thats' for sure, and he literally said it wasn't a robbery!! Sorry, but I just can't see a professional running over there with duct tape and plastic bags in hand, that sounds more like a couple of chump punks, who may have been paid to do it, and maybe that's why the Sheriff is calling it professional because they were paid to kill them? JC should have stayed away from that southside, established drug pins do not like people trying to horn in on their business or don't like people who they front drugs to not to come through with the money for the drugs they were fronted, so they must have provoked some serious players! Whoever went there was probably looking for the drugs he was fronted (or his own drugs) or the money, and hey why not check the rest of the place too!

UMMMM, Wasn't there a change jar missing w/like $40 in it? Why in the hell would a "professional" take a change jar. I think good ole' SGT. meant to say "personal."

Hey everyone! been busy reading and haven't posted in a couple days but was just thinking regarding the police not releasing much detail about the murders and maybe LC can confirm or has been discussed and I missed it... They are probably not releasing much of the details like some of the stuff people heard and reported here to avoid "copy cats." Once they do apprehend the bastards and an announcement is made, their piece of trash friends could try to make it look like a serial killer with a similar M.O. and add some doubt. Just a thought, Carry on.