(03-01-2011, 10:34 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 10:17 PM)truth be told Wrote: John Sr. was busted for pot (a lot of it!)...served nearly 5 years. Maytee should have been sitting in a cell herself because she was really the kingpin. Finding info about John Sr. is a bit tricky because of the fact that he was sentenced to a Federal prison. Federal prisons are harder to get info. on prisoners.

So might you be implying that he was in with some really tough guys? And might I infere that if someone who is in with some really big criminals gets a reduced sentence he may look suspect. And the consequences for that could be severe?

There is mention of Federal authorities being involved with JCsr back in 1991. And there is a five year gap between 1992 and 1997 with no action on the TCM website. But that was a long time ago. I see no other gaps in time that come close to equally 5 years. And that is taking into acount the charges where the court dismissed them becasue they had the wrong man. So that would be 20 years ago?

(03-01-2011, 10:00 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: Also how can they say it's not a robbery, when the place was ransacked. This has confused me even more lol

Police are working on a therory "It was just a lavish dinner party that got out-a-hand when the strippers popped out of a big cake. See "Some Like it Hot" with Tony Curtis. One detective has the file and its called "The George Raft Theory". And when I found Raft's Facebook page I got this.....During the 1950s he worked as a greeter at the Capri Casino in Havana, Cuba, where he was part owner along with Meyer Lansky and Santo Trafficante

I am implying that Maytee holds the truth. John Sr may have been the one who did the time...Maytee was the real person in control of selling the drugs for years, she just never got caught with her hands dirty. She always relied on other people to do the dirty work. She has a long history of getting young people to commit crimes for her.


IN YOUR OPINION?...LC

(03-01-2011, 08:44 PM)kfran Wrote: UMMMM, Wasn't there a change jar missing w/like $40 in it? Why in the hell would a "professional" take a change jar. I think good ole' SGT. meant to say "personal."

I think Johnny stole somebodies drugs, probably from the superbowl party he was at.

(03-01-2011, 10:46 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 08:44 PM)kfran Wrote: UMMMM, Wasn't there a change jar missing w/like $40 in it? Why in the hell would a "professional" take a change jar. I think good ole' SGT. meant to say "personal."

I think Johnny stole somebodies drugs, probably from the superbowl party he was at.

I think it was planned out longer than that. And it was the Pro Bowl.

(03-01-2011, 10:42 PM)Adub Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 10:34 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 10:17 PM)truth be told Wrote: John Sr. was busted for pot (a lot of it!)...served nearly 5 years. Maytee should have been sitting in a cell herself because she was really the kingpin. Finding info about John Sr. is a bit tricky because of the fact that he was sentenced to a Federal prison. Federal prisons are harder to get info. on prisoners.

So might you be implying that he was in with some really tough guys? And might I infere that if someone who is in with some really big criminals gets a reduced sentence he may look suspect. And the consequences for that could be severe?

There is mention of Federal authorities being involved with JCsr back in 1991. And there is a five year gap between 1992 and 1997 with no action on the TCM website. But that was a long time ago. I see no other gaps in time that come close to equally 5 years. And that is taking into acount the charges where the court dismissed them becasue they had the wrong man. So that would be 20 years ago?

I thinking that "dismissed because the police had the wrong man" may be whats is being view with suspicion and futhering the belief by "some" that he had a streak of the Benedict Arnold in him.

The JC and LS Case Open Discussion FB page already has that article posted up about 25 minutes ago lol.. she should really stop stealing from Mock

(03-01-2011, 07:47 PM)RaisingAPrince Wrote: cPlease forgive me if this has been posted, as I said I haven't had time to catch up on the posts lately.

Holland-Springfield Journal
March 1, 2011 - Double homicide wasn't a random robbery

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"It wasn't random. It wasn't a robbery. It was professional," Lucas County Sheriff's Sergeant Jame Schiavone said.

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Lisa Straub, 20, and Johnny S Clark, 21, were found executed January 31 in a home on Longacre Lane, where Ms. Straub lived with her parents Jeff and Mary Beth Straub.

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Sgt. Schiavone said he believes the drug-related crime was a professional "hit," instigated by actions of the victims.

Thank you soooooooooo much for posting that.

Well, LE sure took their sweet time releasing that info.

Somebody call pink - the first person in this thread to call this a professional hit with the perps LONG GONE. I'll give myself props for agreeing with pink that the perps were older (which I think we'll find out) but that's about it.

What in God's name did Johnny and (?) Lisa do for this kind of retaliation? Was Johnny so stupid as to have snitched on people of this ilk and then hang around for the consequences? He either did that or ripped someone off.

Obviously, the cops know the answer to this.

Oh, and I have to ask - you guys who call Billy C a wannabee - are you serious? What is your criteria for a hardened criminal psycho - cutting somebody's head off?

(03-01-2011, 10:49 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 10:42 PM)Adub Wrote: [quote='ZEROSPHERES' pid='138662' dateline='1299033290']
[quote='truth be told' pid='138650' dateline='1299032223']
John Sr. was busted for pot (a lot of it!)...served nearly 5 years. Maytee should have been sitting in a cell herself because she was really the kingpin. Finding info about John Sr. is a bit tricky because of the fact that he was sentenced to a Federal prison. Federal prisons are harder to get info. on prisoners.

I thinking that "dismissed because the police had the wrong man" may be whats is being view with suspicion and futhering the belief by "some" that he had a streak of the Benedict Arnold in him.

Perhaps you meant to use "viewed" instead of "view" above?

Has anyone else wondered about the two people JC and perps committed an armed robbery against?

(03-01-2011, 08:55 PM)Jane Wrote: I would agree with you, if the Sgt didn't think the perps are no longer in the area... from the article - "The crime was not a random neighborhood robbery and the sergeant believes the suspects are likely no longer in the area."

The detectives could be misleading the perps.

(03-01-2011, 10:58 PM)curious Wrote: Has anyone else wondered about the two people JC and perps committed an armed robbery against?

Do you have info on who they are?

(03-01-2011, 10:49 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 10:42 PM)Adub Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 10:34 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 10:17 PM)truth be told Wrote: John Sr. was busted for pot (a lot of it!)...served nearly 5 years. Maytee should have been sitting in a cell herself because she was really the kingpin. Finding info about John Sr. is a bit tricky because of the fact that he was sentenced to a Federal prison. Federal prisons are harder to get info. on prisoners.

So might you be implying that he was in with some really tough guys? And might I infere that if someone who is in with some really big criminals gets a reduced sentence he may look suspect. And the consequences for that could be severe?

There is mention of Federal authorities being involved with JCsr back in 1991. And there is a five year gap between 1992 and 1997 with no action on the TCM website. But that was a long time ago. I see no other gaps in time that come close to equally 5 years. And that is taking into acount the charges where the court dismissed them becasue they had the wrong man. So that would be 20 years ago?

I thinking that "dismissed because the police had the wrong man" may be whats is being view with suspicion and futhering the belief by "some" that he had a streak of the Benedict Arnold in him.

I have read the court documents. The defense subpoenaed a few people as witnesses. People with familiar names. And this was in 2010. The witnesses came to court and the judge dismissed it. Does not seem to be any hush hush about it. However, maybe those individuals that were served subpoenas weren't too pleased. I doubt it though. But the names remain the same one generation to the next. Or so it appears.

(03-01-2011, 10:05 PM)DivineDragon Wrote: Agree that the sarge took some liberties with the word "professional". It is however a pretty definitive statement on his part. Lends support to the theory that LE has this thing pretty much figured out and are just waiting on the details to close it out.

Agreed "definitive statement" for sure. I'm thinking maybe Johnny was fronted some drugs, but didn't have the money to pay back ? Or maybe he actually stole somone else's drugs, like a nice sized/for resale stash. If that's the case, the person he stole from isn't going to contact LE about the theft. Well, either way, for that matter. Maybe LE has gotten wind of a certain 'group' that uses plastic bags as a "statement" ? The Sgt makes it sound pretty cut & dry, IMO

(03-01-2011, 11:03 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 10:58 PM)curious Wrote: Has anyone else wondered about the two people JC and perps committed an armed robbery against?

Do you have info on who they are?

It is on the links page, 1^st post, I think.

Oh, and I have to ask - you guys who call Billy C a wannabee - are you serious? What is your criteria for a hardened criminal psycho - cutting somebody's head off?


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Wannabe GANGSTA no denying whoever did this is crazy! Never said they weren't......

(03-01-2011, 11:09 PM)Jane Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 10:05 PM)DivineDragon Wrote: Agree that the sarge took some liberties with the word "professional". It is however a pretty definitive statement on his part. Lends support to the theory that LE has this thing pretty much figured out and are just waiting on the details to close it out.

Agreed "definitive statement" for sure. I'm thinking maybe Johnny was fronted some drugs, but didn't have the money to pay back ? Or maybe he actually stole somone else's drugs, like a nice sized/for resale stash. If that's the case, the person he stole from isn't going to contact LE about the theft. Well, either way, for that matter. Maybe LE has gotten wind of a certain 'group' that uses plastic bags as a "statement" ? The Sgt makes it sound pretty cut & dry, IMO

Or it could be that he was just stepping on someone's turf. That is what gets you shot in my town. Getting in between a thug and his paper. They might let you know in other ways at first, but if you laugh them off, or dis them in some way, you are going to get shot. Period. Why plastic bags? I have know idea. But it was a clean way to kill.

(03-01-2011, 11:10 PM)Adub Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 11:03 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(03-01-2011, 10:58 PM)curious Wrote: Has anyone else wondered about the two people JC and perps committed an armed robbery against?

Do you have info on who they are?

It is on the links page, 1^st post, I think.

Thank you, I've been going back trying to figure out where I saw the victim's names...

I hadn't heard of the BCI before... interesting; learn something everyday!

http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/bci

eta ... the BCI of Ohio is involved in the case also..

LIsa's FB page is gone. RIP LIsa!