(03-04-2011, 06:16 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: Some other girl posted this...what does it say?

TE QUIERO MUCHO!!!!
HABIA UNA VEZ UN MUCHACHO EL PRIMERO EN TODO, MEJOR
ATLETA, MEJOR ESTUDIANTE, PERO LO QUE NUNCA SUPO FUE SI
ERA BUEN HIJO, UN BUEN COMPAÑERO, UN BUEN AMIGO O UN BUEN NOVIO.



EN UN DIA DE DEPRESION EL MUCHACHO SE DEJO MORIR,
CUANDO IBA CAMINO AL CIELO SE ENCONTRO CON UN ANGEL
Y ESTE LE PREGUNTO: POR QUE LO HICISTE SI SABIAS QUE TODOS TE QUERIAN?..
A LO QUE EL RESPONDIO:
HAY VECES QUE VALE MAS UNA SOLA PALABRA DE CONSUELO QUE
TODO LO QUE SE SIENTA... EN TANTO TIEMPO NUNCA ESCUCHE:
ESTOY ORGULLOSO DE TI, GRACIAS POR SER MI AMIGO .....
NI SIQUIERA UN "TE QUIERO MUCHO....." DE LA PERSONA A LA QUE MAS AME.



AL QUEDAR PENSATIVO EL ANGEL, EL MUCHACHO DIJO:
"Y SABES QUE ES LO QUE MÁS DUELE??
EL ANGEL TRISTE LE PREGUNTÓ: ¿QUE? Y RESPONDIO,
QUE TODAVIA ESPERO ESCUCHARLO ALGUN DIA!!
UN TE QUIERO !!!!!
LUEGO DE ESTO EL ANGEL ABRAZO AL MUCHACHO Y LE DICE QUE NO SE PREOCUPE PORQUE SE ACERCA A LA UNICA PERSONA QUE
SIEMPRE LE DIJO AL OIDO QUE LO AMABA PERO EL NUNCA LO
ESCUCHO PERO QUE LO RECIBE CON LOS BRAZOS ABIERTOS.



ES IMPORTANTE DECIRLE A LAS PERSONAS QUE QUIERES LO
IMPORTANTES QUE SON PARA TI.



ENVIA ESTE MENSAJE A AQUELLAS
PERSONAS QUE DE VERDAD SIGNIFICAN ALGO PARA TI....INCLUYENDO A LA PERSONA QUE TE LO ENVIO PARA ESTA PERSONA TU VALES ORO!!!!!
SI MUERO HOY....SOLO QUERIA QUE LO SUPIERAS,
GRACIAS POR TU AMISTAD !!!!!
!!!!!!!!!TE QUIERO MUCHO !!!!!!!
"PARA CREAR ALGO HERMOSO TOMA TIEMPO Y DEDICACIÓN, PARA DESTRUIRLO SOLO SEGUNDOS .."
(*~)...(*~)...(*~)
NADA TENDRIA
SENTIDO, SI NUNCA
TE HUBIERA CONOCIDOOOOOO
·3 years ago

I LOVE YOU SO MUCH!!
ONCE THERE WAS A BOY IN THE FIRST OF ALL, BEST
ATHLETE, BEST STUDENT, BUT WHAT IF IT WAS NEVER KNEW
WAS GOOD SON, A GOOD PARTNER, A GOOD FRIEND OR A GOOD BOYFRIEND.



DEPRESSION IN A DAY OF THE BOY WILL LET DIE
IBA CAMINO AL CIELO WHEN WAS FOUND WITH AN ANGEL
AND THIS YOU ASK: BECAUSE IF YOU DID ALL YOU WANTED TO KNOW THAT? ..
To which he replied:
TIMES ARE WORTH MORE THAN ONE WORD OF COMFORT THAT
EVERYTHING YOU FEEL ... NEVER HEARD IN SO LONG:
I'M PROUD OF IT, THANKS FOR BEING MY FRIEND .....
NOT EVEN A "I love you ....." THE PERSON YOU LOVE MOST.



TO BE THOUGHTFUL THE ANGEL, THE BOY SAID
"And you know what hurts most?
EL ANGEL TRISTE LE ASKED: WHAT? Then answered,
STILL HOPE TO HEAR SOME DAY!
A I LOVE YOU !!!!!
ANGEL AFTER THE EMBRACE THIS BOY AND SAYS DO NOT WORRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE ONLY PERSON
ALWAYS HEARING TOLD YOU LOVED BUT NEVER
BUT HEAR YOU RECEIVE WITH OPEN ARMS.



IT IS IMPORTANT TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT YOU WANT
THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU.



SEND THIS MESSAGE TO THOSE
PEOPLE THAT REALLY MEAN SOMETHING TO YOU .... INCLUDING THE PERSON YOU SEND IT TO THIS PERSON YOUR WORTH GOLD !!!!!
If I die today .... just wanted you to know,
THANK YOU FOR YOUR FRIENDSHIP !!!!!
MUCH !!!!!!!!! I LOVE YOU !!!!!!!
"TO CREATE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL AND DEDICATION IT TAKES TIME TO DESTROY ONE SECOND .."
(*~)...(*~)...(*~)
Nothing would
SENSE, IF NOT
YOU HAVE CONOCIDOOOOOO

wow! thanks Duchess! i am impressed with your hidden talent!

MY OPINION...

I would not be ok with my 17 year old son having all those tattoos and openly smoking weed.
Things can only get worse from there. And they did.

Such a cute, silly kid. This is horrible.

ABC13

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/video?id=7993906

Police are asking for your help in the murder of a Springfield Township couple. In fact, you might see that message while driving around town.

Bold red letters spell it out: "Double homicide victims." The message is shining above the streets of Toledo on digital billboards: "Reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction."

The signs are now keeping a gruesome murder in the limelight. It's hoped the exposure may help uncover who killed Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub on January 31.

Johnny, who was 21, had been living with his 20-year-old girlfriend, Lisa, in her parent's house on Longacre Lane in Springfield Township.

The Straubs were away on a cruise when the Clarke family found the couple's bodies. They were tied up with bags over their heads. Investigators suspect robbery was the motive and someone was searching for a safe. The search ended with nothing stolen and two lives cut short.

Digital billboards are often used to solve crimes. They are often used for Amber Alerts, but this may be the first double homicide.

The reward in the case is now up to $16,000. If you have any information, call Crime Stopper at 419-255-1111.

(03-04-2011, 06:43 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: ABC13

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/video?id=7993906

Police are asking for your help in the murder of a Springfield Township couple. In fact, you might see that message while driving around town.

Bold red letters spell it out: "Double homicide victims." The message is shining above the streets of Toledo on digital billboards: "Reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction."

The signs are now keeping a gruesome murder in the limelight. It's hoped the exposure may help uncover who killed Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub on January 31.

Johnny, who was 21, had been living with his 20-year-old girlfriend, Lisa, in her parent's house on Longacre Lane in Springfield Township.

The Straubs were away on a cruise when the Clarke family found the couple's bodies. They were tied up with bags over their heads. Investigators suspect robbery was the motive and someone was searching for a safe. The search ended with nothing stolen and two lives cut short.

Digital billboards are often used to solve crimes. They are often used for Amber Alerts, but this may be the first double homicide.

The reward in the case is now up to $16,000. If you have any information, call Crime Stopper at 419-255-1111.

LE is actually mentioning the safe?

Woke up this morning wondering if today is the day. Seen some post last night about DNA results coming in. Keeping my fingers and toes crossed.

I know this might be an odd angle, but has anyone thought that maybe a jealous ex GIRLFRIEND could have planned this? It seems Johnny's women are very possessive of him. It seems like there has been more than one girl posting different places that seemed to think they were supposed to spend their lives together. I know it's probably not likely but maybe they found someone willing to seek revenge for them.....torture Lisa in front of Johnny and if I can't have him nobody can type of deal?

(03-04-2011, 06:34 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: MY OPINION...

I would not be ok with my 17 year old son having all those tattoos and openly smoking weed.
Things can only get worse from there. And they did.

Such a cute, silly kid. This is horrible.

He is really cute, and only emulating what he was shown growing up. It's sad he didn't have better role models.

(03-04-2011, 08:30 AM)purplepegasus Wrote: It's sad he didn't have better role models.

It should be a crime! When parents bring children into this world, the parents OWE them. He was a product of his environment & that's shameful.

(03-04-2011, 08:38 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 08:30 AM)purplepegasus Wrote: It's sad he didn't have better role models.

It should be a crime! When parents bring children into this world, the parents OWE them. He was a product of his environment & that's shameful.

Some are more caught up in being cool & being their child's best friend opposed to being their parent & I strongly feel that was the case in this situation.

(03-04-2011, 06:01 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: Johnny's myspace is actually:

http://www.myspace.com/elcubano1018

There is a pic of him and some girl and the comment under the pic is, "John and Maytee part 2".

A few just silly, cute pics then a pic of him laying on the bed where he wrote that he was "blowed" and someone posted the comment:

Fucking say that TO STOP THAT BITCH ABOUT, JUST THAT I AM SUPPOSED TO SIT and watch what and Laughter? NAW YOU BETTER DELETE YOUR ASS TO JOHNNY THAT I'm not joking I NOT want to see that shit!...¿Y DiCE ESO JODiENDO QUE RAMERA PARA PARAR COMENTARLE, QUE SOY SUPUESTO SENTARSE APENAS Y PARA MiRAR QUE Y LA RiSA? ¡NAW USTED BORRA MEJOR SU ASNO A JOHNNY QUE YO NO BROMEO YO NO QUiERO VER ESA MiERDA!
·3 years ago

All the pics and comments looks like they are from 2-4 years ago.

You missed this one Duchess

Fucking say that TO STOP THAT BITCH ABOUT, JUST THAT I AM SUPPOSED TO SIT and watch what and Laughter? NAW YOU BETTER DELETE YOUR ASS TO JOHNNY THAT I'm not joking I NOT want to see that shit! *Fucking say that TO STOP THAT BITCH ABOUT, JUST THAT I AM SUPPOSED TO SIT and watch what and Laughter? NAW YOU BETTER DELETE YOUR ASS TO JOHNNY THAT I'm not joking I NOT want to see that shit!*

(WOW, this must have been when he was into ghetto chics.lol)

(03-04-2011, 08:28 AM)purplepegasus Wrote: I know this might be an odd angle, but has anyone thought that maybe a jealous ex GIRLFRIEND could have planned this? It seems Johnny's women are very possessive of him. It seems like there has been more than one girl posting different places that seemed to think they were supposed to spend their lives together. I know it's probably not likely but maybe they found someone willing to seek revenge for them.....torture Lisa in front of Johnny and if I can't have him nobody can type of deal?

Well someone here told the story of the ex-girlfriend moving out of town. We know her name because of Johnny's tattoo. And of course she is fb friends with AG, VD, JB, CB, XYZ.....

G.Morning~Mother Mockers

He was handsome and he looked like a decent kid! I really hate it came down to this! This situation is just horrific! I feel so bad for ALL the family and friends of these 2. I also agree with I would not let my 17 yr old be openly smoking weed! I mean most of us in this world have friends whom smoke weed. Most murders that "r" drug related seem to be more of the CRACK and COKE and HEROIN and METH type people! NOT always but ⁹⁄₁₀ IMO! Its just really heartbreaking! I t REALLY IS! Hope the other twon boys dont get involved with the wrong people and/or drug! :( I JUST WISH JUSTICE WOULD COME SOON SO JOHNNY && LISA CAN BE AT PEACE WHILE RESTING IN HEAVEN! u know?

(03-04-2011, 10:05 AM)aileen Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 06:01 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: Johnny's myspace is actually:

http://www.myspace.com/elcubano1018

There is a pic of him and some girl and the comment under the pic is, "John and Maytee part 2".

A few just silly, cute pics then a pic of him laying on the bed where he wrote that he was "blowed" and someone posted the comment:

Fucking say that TO STOP THAT BITCH ABOUT, JUST THAT I AM SUPPOSED TO SIT and watch what and Laughter? NAW YOU BETTER DELETE YOUR ASS TO JOHNNY THAT I'm not joking I NOT want to see that shit!...¿Y DiCE ESO JODiENDO QUE RAMERA PARA PARAR COMENTARLE, QUE SOY SUPUESTO SENTARSE APENAS Y PARA MiRAR QUE Y LA RiSA? ¡NAW USTED BORRA MEJOR SU ASNO A JOHNNY QUE YO NO BROMEO YO NO QUiERO VER ESA MiERDA!
·3 years ago

All the pics and comments looks like they are from 2-4 years ago.

You missed this one Duchess

Fucking say that TO STOP THAT BITCH ABOUT, JUST THAT I AM SUPPOSED TO SIT and watch what and Laughter? NAW YOU BETTER DELETE YOUR ASS TO JOHNNY THAT I'm not joking I NOT want to see that shit! *Fucking say that TO STOP THAT BITCH ABOUT, JUST THAT I AM SUPPOSED TO SIT and watch what and Laughter? NAW YOU BETTER DELETE YOUR ASS TO JOHNNY THAT I'm not joking I NOT want to see that shit!*

(WOW, this must have been when he was into ghetto chics.lol)

HEY Im ghetto aileen! ONLY WHEN IM PISSED!

(03-04-2011, 10:09 AM)Adub Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 08:28 AM)purplepegasus Wrote: I know this might be an odd angle, but has anyone thought that maybe a jealous ex GIRLFRIEND could have planned this? It seems Johnny's women are very possessive of him. It seems like there has been more than one girl posting different places that seemed to think they were supposed to spend their lives together. I know it's probably not likely but maybe they found someone willing to seek revenge for them.....torture Lisa in front of Johnny and if I can't have him nobody can type of deal?

Well someone here told the story of the ex-girlfriend moving out of town. We know her name because of Johnny's tattoo. And of course she is fb friends with AG, VD, JB, CB, XYZ.....

O WOW! thats crazy right there! I hadnt heard about the ex! What a shame!

(03-04-2011, 10:09 AM)Adub Wrote:

(03-04-2011, 08:28 AM)purplepegasus Wrote: I know this might be an odd angle, but has anyone thought that maybe a jealous ex GIRLFRIEND could have planned this? It seems Johnny's women are very possessive of him. It seems like there has been more than one girl posting different places that seemed to think they were supposed to spend their lives together. I know it's probably not likely but maybe they found someone willing to seek revenge for them.....torture Lisa in front of Johnny and if I can't have him nobody can type of deal?

Well someone here told the story of the ex-girlfriend moving out of town. We know her name because of Johnny's tattoo. And of course she is fb friends with AG, VD, JB, CB, XYZ.....

He had a tattoo with her name or something? I wasn't aware of that (I'm assuming this is the same person that posted on RIPJohnny about needing to come home and it was supposed to be then in the future?)

Quote:He had a tattoo with her name or something? I wasn't aware of that (I'm assuming this is the same person that posted on RIPJohnny about needing to come home and it was supposed to be then in the future?)

That was a different girl with the initials of SN.

(03-04-2011, 06:10 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: Ok so the girl (? looks like a boy) that posted that and the spanish writing (I don't know what it says, I don't speak Spanish) looks like she was really in love with Johnny. Her initials are "J.F." There's all kinds of I love you's and I'm in love with you, etc.

An older woman posted on his myspace "you promised to buy me a bentley". That was two years ago. Hmmmmmm...

Her initials are JM, maybe?

(03-04-2011, 06:10 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: Ok so the girl (? looks like a boy) that posted that and the spanish writing (I don't know what it says, I don't speak Spanish) looks like she was really in love with Johnny. Her initials are "J.F." There's all kinds of I love you's and I'm in love with you, etc.

Did you read his *About Me* section, as well as the *Who I Would Like To Meet*?? I had to google CRUNK. lol

(03-04-2011, 04:26 AM)BellaMia Wrote: I dont want to put everything out in the open about people who may have absolutley nothing to do with this but thats exactly why I have been asking questions about older people because of those that I know and those I know of. Some of the families tied into the the "initials" (to many to name) lol so to speak are large name families and well connected from Detroit to Mexico to Chicago To Columbia. I grew up with quite a few of the older ones not knowing till I came across them seaching the who knows who on fb. There was an 18yr investigation at the time between the cities and countries I listed busted here you can look up around ummmm I'd say it was 2000 sometime. Might be easier to search from the names in this link http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf...57n-06.pdf anyways it was huge many people and if you can find an Indictment list alot of the names are in there. Another investigation some of the same families different players. Some of the families you will see are cousins or the girlfriends of these boys family. Some information into why I was curious sorry to cut off have been seaching information for all of you as i was typing and its very late now. I do want to be clear though i do not know if any of the people I am mentioning are directly related to the victims families just the friends and their girlfriends.

I haven't looked at your link yet. But when the talk was about wannabe gangbangers, that was my thought. If the so called wannabe's dad, uncle, cousins, grandfather, etc. were gangbangers then the lil' one is not a wannabe.

Here in my town the older relatives make the younger ones do the dirty work. Like shooting someone and taking them and their car out into some orchard and torching it. Sometimes these young punks aren't even 18 yet. But it is just how they are raised.