(03-05-2011, 07:29 PM)Cracker Wrote: Jesus OP, that argument is ten fucking years old. We don't use that rhetoric anymore. We moved on. Read a fucking newspaper, FFS.

That sounds like a white flag to me.

Reading the above it seems that your evidence gathering skills (which as you stated are far superior to mine) have proved fruitless.

You have failed to come up with ONE SINGLE CASE of a middle eastern person with chemical weapons on US soil.

As for the WMD's I suppose we should consider them with the same mythical awe as Eldorados gold or the lost city of Atlantis.

(03-05-2011, 07:37 PM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 07:29 PM)Cracker Wrote: Jesus OP, that argument is ten fucking years old. We don't use that rhetoric anymore. We moved on. Read a fucking newspaper, FFS.

That sounds like a white flag to me.

Reading the above it seems that your evidence gathering skills (which as you stated are far superior to mine) have proved fruitless.

You have failed to come up with ONE SINGLE CASE of a middle eastern person with chemical weapons on US soil.

As for the WMD's I suppose we should consider them with the same mythical awe as Eldorados gold or the lost city of Atlantis.

God Dammit, you are a dog with a WMD for a bone.

I told you I KNEW of an instance. Ragheads with chemicals. Now maybe they were going to revolutionize horticulture over here, but I seriously doubt it. And do Mexicans with meth count? We publish that shit...

I remember the anthrax and ricin mailings in the early 2000's. You look it up. I'm not going to spend too much time googling because I don't want Homeland Security at my door. If you want to say that some old lady did that, go ahead.

Here's one case: http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2005/04/doj041205.html

another http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-release...101810.htm

(03-05-2011, 07:40 PM)Cracker Wrote: God Dammit, you are a dog with a WMD for a bone.

When a government tells a lie that results in thousands of its citizens dying and sacrificing their lives over it, that bothers me.

If you were a true patriot it would bother you too.

"A true patriot is a man prepared to defend his country against its government".

With all due respect to our troops, I do think there was more to our going in to Iraq than some humanitarian concern. OP's right that there are places that are committing even worse atrocities and we turn something of a blind eye to them.

That said, what country doesn't think of its own best interests? If we went in there with some ulterior motives and as a side bonus got rid of Saddam and installed some democracy in the Middle East, I'm okay with that. Mostly. I just hope Bush and his cronies realized what the cost would be going in (in lives and dollars) and that history proves that it was worth it.

Once we were there, to me, we had to win it.

I'm wondering if Libya is next.

I think we gave up on the darkies after the Battle of Mogadishu.

Has Obama ended this war? Has he called all the troops home? Are we still deploying new troops to new areas? Might be time to get over blaming Bush and rethink your rhetoric, because it's bullshit.

Many have been stopped but it only takes a few as seen on ⁹⁄₁₁


McConnell's office did reveal some numbers, during fiscal 2006, there were 14 Iraqi nationals caught trying to enter the U.S. illegally, while so far in 2007, that number is 16.

"Now some we caught, some we didn't," McConnell told the newspaper. "The ones that get in – what are they going to do? They're going to write home. So it's not rocket science; word will move around."

Also revealed was that the U.S. Customs and Border Protection intercepted 60 Iraqis crossing the nation's southwestern border in 2006 who were seeking asylum in the U.S., while that number so far in 2007 is 178.



Read more: Iraqi terrorists caught along Mexico border http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=43177#ixzz1FlxcVL72

If Bush had just said "we are going in to get Saddam out and secure our oil interests in the region" I would probably have thought I didn't agree with it but at least the troops going in knew exactly why they were going in.

As a Brit I have to admit that the US is the only real superpower left (Yeah i know China are, etc,etc) and they are flexing their muscles world wide because they can. I am not a pacifist by any means.

But all the horseshit about WMD's and all the horseshit about Iraq aiding Al Quedda (yes i know they are in Iraq now but they weren't before the invasion m'kay?) really boils my piss to this day because American and British troops have sacrificed their lives over fucking lies and that shouldn't be forgotten in a hurry.

Here's a few more:


June 1, 2009 Little Rock, Arkansas: Abdulhakim Muhammed, a Muslim convert from Memphis, Tennessee, is charged with shooting two soldiers outside a military recruiting center. One is killed and the other is wounded. In a January 2010 letter to the judge hearing his case, Muhammed asked to change his plea from not guilty to guilty, claimed ties to al-Qaeda, and called the shooting a jihadi attack "to fight those who wage war on Islam and Muslims."

May 2, 2010 New York City: After discovering a bomb in a smoking vehicle parked in Times Square, authorities arrest Faisal Shahzad, a Pakistani who recently became a naturalized U.S. citizen, and charge him with attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and several other federal charges. American officials later announce that the Pakistani Taliban likely played a role in the bomb plot, including training Shahzad.

They attack us all around the world, but we are still Americans. Those count, too.

(03-05-2011, 07:56 PM)Maggot Wrote: Many have been stopped but it only takes a few as seen on ⁹⁄₁₁


McConnell's office did reveal some numbers, during fiscal 2006, there were 14 Iraqi nationals caught trying to enter the U.S. illegally, while so far in 2007, that number is 16.

"Now some we caught, some we didn't," McConnell told the newspaper. "The ones that get in – what are they going to do? They're going to write home. So it's not rocket science; word will move around."

Also revealed was that the U.S. Customs and Border Protection intercepted 60 Iraqis crossing the nation's southwestern border in 2006 who were seeking asylum in the U.S., while that number so far in 2007 is 178.



Read more: Iraqi terrorists caught along Mexico border http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=43177#ixzz1FlxcVL72

Exsqueeze me, where are the chemical weapons? and no, cans of right guard and packets of tobacco are not chemical weapons.

(03-05-2011, 07:58 PM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: If Bush had just said "we are going in to get Saddam out and secure our oil interests in the region" I would probably have thought I didn't agree with it but at least the troops going in knew exactly why they were going in.

We do still care if entire populations of people are murdered in mass executions. That may not be the world's perception because they hate us, but we do still care. We are the world's watchdog. That doesn't make us popular.

(03-05-2011, 08:01 PM)Cracker Wrote: Here's a few more:


June 1, 2009 Little Rock, Arkansas: Abdulhakim Muhammed, a Muslim convert from Memphis, Tennessee, is charged with shooting two soldiers outside a military recruiting center. One is killed and the other is wounded. In a January 2010 letter to the judge hearing his case, Muhammed asked to change his plea from not guilty to guilty, claimed ties to al-Qaeda, and called the shooting a jihadi attack "to fight those who wage war on Islam and Muslims."

May 2, 2010 New York City: After discovering a bomb in a smoking vehicle parked in Times Square, authorities arrest Faisal Shahzad, a Pakistani who recently became a naturalized U.S. citizen, and charge him with attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and several other federal charges. American officials later announce that the Pakistani Taliban likely played a role in the bomb plot, including training Shahzad.

They attack us all around the world, but we are still Americans. Those count, too.

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(03-05-2011, 07:55 PM)Cracker Wrote: Has Obama ended this war? Has he called all the troops home? Are we still deploying new troops to new areas? Might be time to get over blaming Bush and rethink your rhetoric, because it's bullshit.

i think Obama is a cunt for sending more troops in.

Afghanistan is a pointless and unwinnable quagmire, you would have thought you would have learned your lesson about fighting wars against guerilla style enemies in terrain they are familiar with in Vietnam, but noooooooooo.

The Talidan are fanatics they all believe they have 72 virgins waiting for them when they die, you can't beat that with stealth bombers.

Ricin and anthrax. Or you can blame my grandma, if you want.

You focus on the minutiea because you know you are full of shit. They exist. Terrorists exist. They chop off heads and kill people every chance they get. Then they go to terrorist heaven.

(03-05-2011, 07:37 PM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote:

(03-05-2011, 07:29 PM)Cracker Wrote: Jesus OP, that argument is ten fucking years old. We don't use that rhetoric anymore. We moved on. Read a fucking newspaper, FFS.

That sounds like a white flag to me.

Reading the above it seems that your evidence gathering skills (which as you stated are far superior to mine) have proved fruitless.

You have failed to come up with ONE SINGLE CASE of a middle eastern person with chemical weapons on US soil.

As for the WMD's I suppose we should consider them with the same mythical awe as Eldorados gold or the lost city of Atlantis.

go ahead and watch the video


http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/sa...o_02132011

Iraq's Chemical Weapon Program

Well before Operation Desert Storm or the U.N. inspections that followed it, Iraq had already begun to build chemical weapons. After launching a research effort in the 1970s, Iraq was able to use chemical weapons in its war against Iran and to kill large numbers of its own Kurdish population in the 1980s. During the first Gulf War, there were fears that Iraq would launch chemical-tipped missiles at its neighbors, particularly Israel, but Iraq refrained for fear of U.S. retaliation. During Operation Iraqi Freedom, coalition troops again feared they might be hit with chemical weapons, though this did not come to pass.


By 1991, the United Nations had established its Special Commission (UNSCOM) and charged it with the task of destroying, removing, or rendering harmless "all chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities."

By the time UNSCOM left Iraq in December 1998, it had eliminated a large portion of Iraq's chemical weapon potential. UNSCOM had overseen the destruction or incapacitation of more than 88,000 filled or unfilled chemical munitions, over 600 tons of weaponized or bulk chemical agents, some 4,000 tons of precursor chemicals, some 980 pieces of key production equipment, and some 300 pieces of analytical equipment. Notwithstanding these extraordinary achievements, there remained important uncertainties regarding Iraq's holdings of chemical weapons, their precursors, and munitions.



I see no reason why anyone was paranoid?

I have already seen the fat fuck at the port authority and his "weapon of mass effect" thanks.

Is this really all you've got?

This would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

We need an underground movement that pisses off the Chinese so they can go in and give it a try. But I really think they are just waiting for the right moment to destroy the U.S. financially. That will never happen though. If you took every cent that everyone in the U.S. had that debt would be paid in one hour.

(03-05-2011, 08:14 PM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: I have already seen the fat fuck at the port authority and his "weapon of mass effect" thanks.

Is this really all you've got?

This would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

LOL funny.

the same way I laughed at your falklands post.

If you think that weapons of mass effect are not being assembled for your country as well, well maybe not, britain has decided to kiss ala ass.

Let Mary Poppins think what he wants.

What Republican do you think could win? It will have to be somebody that can get the minority and female votes.