(03-08-2011, 11:38 AM)kitty1 Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 10:16 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 11:19 AM)kitty1 Wrote:

(03-07-2011, 10:07 AM)Jane Wrote: I think the injuries to their necks were from the duct tape wrapped tightly around the bags. As in extemely tight. Maybe even ended up being tied in a tight knot.

My understanding from the family is that the injuries to the neck were most likely the result of very tight tape around the neck and the thrashing about of the victim while they were putting the tape on.

Mornin Mockers!

Watch this video and listen and watch how Maytee describes the way Johnny's head was taped...if this is a correct description, I think, that not only was there tape around his neck but completely around his whole face!! Watch the video and watch Maytee's hands while describing the tape..and see what you think??

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?sectio...id=7938127

Yes Kat I see that. She said the same thing on TV right after the murders. Probably to hasten death.

Definately agree! It also sounded like only one person showed up!

(03-08-2011, 02:59 PM)purplepegasus Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 02:55 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 02:45 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: Also, I doubt Maytee even knows what a rosary is, so that may be her description.

I disagree with this. Maytee had a picture posted on FB shortly after Johnnys funeral, it looked like a diningroom table to me with a set up, pictures, candles, flowers etc & on one of the pictures of Johnny she has a rosary drapped over the picture. If she has a rosary, chances are good she's catholic & if she owns a rosary, chances are good she knows what it's called.

I thought she was a witch? Catholics don't talk that crap she spews all over facebook. Good point about one being in a picture though, it's just such an odd description. A rope with beads. I'd think she'd be familiar with mardi gras beads too.

I'm pretty sure that Maytee knows what Rosary beads are, and I do believe from a lot her "rants' that she believes in Santeria...IMHO..Just my opinion, I don't know if Maytee practices Santeria! Just a guess,,,,I think LC also thought that too...

"Santeria, commonly referred to as Latin American magic, is a fused religion that intertwines aspects of Roman Catholicism as it is practiced in Cuba with "magic." Although the vast majority of santeros, followers of the religion, are found in Cuba, Santeria is by no means indigenous to the island. Santeria, deriving from the Spanish word santo, or saint, is the Cuban name for this religion because of the significance of saint worship. Despite the trappings of the Catholic sainthood, Santeria remains intrinsically an African religion that originated on the shores of the Nile River in present-day Nigeria among the Yoruba tribe. It was inevitable that the religion would reach Cuba along with the slaves being imported from Africa in the slave trade."

If she treated all the hocus pocus stuff like a religion I would probably be swayed from making snarky remarks. I know Godly people & they would never wish horrible things on another even in their worst moments. That's not how they roll.

(03-08-2011, 04:50 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: Damn, anal beads would explain SO much! J/K, and I agree, it is just so damn frustrating the lack of clear explanations in this case. This reminds me of "interband pants"

yes, I agree about the "interband pants"

(03-08-2011, 05:01 PM)Duchess Wrote:

If she treated all the hocus pocus stuff like a religion I would probably be swayed from making snarky remarks. I know Godly people & they would never wish horrible things on another even in their worst moments. That's not how they roll.

you & me both! (in bold above)

(03-08-2011, 04:23 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Holland-Springfield Journal today:

Public help sought in homicide investigation
The Lucas County sheriff's office is asking for public input in the January deaths of two young people in a Springfield Township home.
Johnny S. Clarke and Lisa Straub were found dead in a home on Longacre Lane on January 31. The couple had been murdered.
Kathy Stooksbury, an investigator with the sheriff's office, said the department is seeking anybody who may have information on the case.
Detective Stooksbury said investigators are looking at all leads. "We don't know why this happened. They were just two young kids living life one day at a time," she said.
The detective noted that the department is still awaiting the toxicology report, adding that it can take some time before they receive the results.
In the meantime, the department is actively following up on any leads day and night. "Anything, anyone may have seen; we want them to tell us," she said.
The detective added that the department can't say whether this a chance incident. "We don't know if this is random or not."
Detectives are open to any and all possibilities. "We are not attributing this to any one thing. We can't do tunnel vision. That puts blinders on us," she said.
Detective Stooksbury said the department won't rest until the perpetrators are caught. "Nobody wants to solve this more than we do," she added.
She encourages anyone with information to contact Crime Stoppers at 419-255-1111.

This is very interesting! Thanks for posting this! Let's pray someone comes forward!

(03-08-2011, 05:01 PM)Duchess Wrote:
If she treated all the hocus pocus stuff like a religion I would probably be swayed from making snarky remarks. I know Godly people & they would never wish horrible things on another even in their worst moments. That's not how they roll.

I agree, I can see her ranting and wishing harm on those who took her son's and Lisa's lives, but hoping people choke, and insinuating that things could happen to their children, just because she doesn't like things they are posting, and who knows if she is reading this forum or what? It is too much for me too, and really I do have empathy for the grieving mother in her, but that flip side jack is something else!!

If she is coming here and reading the post, as someone suggested, well that is pretty sad then, because all she has been commenting on are a few unrelated and kind of inconsequential posts, like her sunglasses, instead of the fact that we posted that Sgt.'s remarks and that report, even before the news, and that is pretty important, and we questioned TW, that's pretty important, or that we are emailing officials and news organizations. Really, who really gives a flying fuck about her sunglasses? I hope she getting something more than that, if she is coming here!!

But if somebody is reading the forum (which I believe is happening) and they go to her and tell her that kind of stupid shit, they are fucked up, because that is not the focus of this forum, and for somebody to go to her just to rile her up, well, what the FUCK is your purpose? You're the one tyring to hurt her!! Why would you tell her this stupid shit about these sunglasses, and even worse why would say that we believe she can't afford a headstone for her son, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!

if I were her I would be looking at this person sideways, that's for sure!! Somebody who is concerned for your welfare wouldn't do that. If I had to guess I'd say 99% of the people here are not trying to work Maytee up, and are seriously trying to make sure this case stays alive! IMHO

I just looked at the RIP Johnny page. There is a picture on there of Maytee's husband and their sons. Such handsome little men her children are- I'm sure they miss their big brother so much. Heartbreaking. :(

And while I don't agree w/some of the comments Maytee has made, I know, as a mother myself, that if I found out who hurt my son, one would have a hell of time keeping me from getting to them before LE.

I may have mentioned this before but the police have checked out all the local places for duct tape sales. No luck

(03-08-2011, 05:35 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 05:01 PM)Duchess Wrote:
If she treated all the hocus pocus stuff like a religion I would probably be swayed from making snarky remarks. I know Godly people & they would never wish horrible things on another even in their worst moments. That's not how they roll.

..........
But if somebody is reading the forum (which I believe is happening) and they go to her and tell her that kind of stupid shit, they are fucked up, because that is not the focus of this forum, and for somebody to go to her just to rile her up, well, what the FUCK is your purpose? You're the one tyring to hurt her!! Why would you tell her this stupid shit about these sunglasses, and even worse why would say that we believe she can't afford a headstone for her son, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!if I were her I would be looking at this person sideways, that's for sure!! Somebody who is concerned for your welfare wouldn't do that. If I had to guess I'd say 99% of the people here are not trying to work Maytee up, and are seriously trying to make sure this case stays alive! IMHO

Agreed! If someone is going around telling Maytee just the negative then they are creating more hatred & chaos in that woman's life. Just an instigator, that wants to feel important IMO.

(03-08-2011, 05:44 PM)kfran Wrote: Agreed! If someone is going around telling Maytee just the negative then they are creating more hatred & chaos in that woman's life. Just an instigator, that wants to feel important IMO.

I think she's reading here, herself JMO

(03-08-2011, 05:40 PM)kitty1 Wrote: I may have mentioned this before but the police have checked out all the local places for duct tape sales. No luck

Thanks for the info, Kitty! I don't remember you mentioning this before now.

(03-08-2011, 05:35 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 05:01 PM)Duchess Wrote:
If she treated all the hocus pocus stuff like a religion I would probably be swayed from making snarky remarks. I know Godly people & they would never wish horrible things on another even in their worst moments. That's not how they roll.

I agree, I can see her ranting and wishing harm on those who took her son's and Lisa's lives, but hoping people choke, and insinuating that things could happen to their children, just because she doesn't like things they are posting, and who knows if she is reading this forum or what? It is too much for me too, and really I do have empathy for the grieving mother in her, but that flip side jack is something else!!

If she is coming here and reading the post, as someone suggested, well that is pretty sad then, because all she has been commenting on are a few unrelated and kind of inconsequential posts, like her sunglasses, instead of the fact that we posted that Sgt.'s remarks and that report, even before the news, and that is pretty important, and we questioned TW, that's pretty important, or that we are emailing officials and news organizations. Really, who really gives a flying fuck about her sunglasses? I hope she getting something more than that, if she is coming here!!

But if somebody is reading the forum (which I believe is happening) and they go to her and tell her that kind of stupid shit, they are fucked up, because that is not the focus of this forum, and for somebody to go to her just to rile her up, well, what the FUCK is your purpose? You're the one tyring to hurt her!! Why would you tell her this stupid shit about these sunglasses, and even worse why would say that we believe she can't afford a headstone for her son, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!

if I were her I would be looking at this person sideways, that's for sure!! Somebody who is concerned for your welfare wouldn't do that. If I had to guess I'd say 99% of the people here are not trying to work Maytee up, and are seriously trying to make sure this case stays alive! IMHO

I wholeheartedly AGREE with EVERYTHING you have just stated ABOVE! I HAVENT READ NO WHERE ON HERE WHERE SOMEONE HAS SAID SHE CAN NOT AFFORD A HEAD STONE FOR HER SON!

(03-08-2011, 04:23 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Holland-Springfield Journal today:
Public help sought in homicide investigation
The Lucas County sheriff's office is asking for public input in the January deaths of two young people in a Springfield Township home.
Johnny S. Clarke and Lisa Straub were found dead in a home on Longacre Lane on January 31. The couple had been murdered.
Kathy Stooksbury, an investigator with the sheriff's office, said the department is seeking anybody who may have information on the case.
Detective Stooksbury said investigators are looking at all leads. "We don't know why this happened. They were just two young kids living life one day at a time," she said.
The detective noted that the department is still awaiting the toxicology report, adding that it can take some time before they receive the results.
In the meantime, the department is actively following up on any leads day and night. "Anything, anyone may have seen; we want them to tell us," she said.
The detective added that the department can't say whether this a chance incident. "We don't know if this is random or not."
Detectives are open to any and all possibilities. "We are not attributing this to any one thing. We can't do tunnel vision. That puts blinders on us," she said.
Detective Stooksbury said the department won't rest until the perpetrators are caught. "Nobody wants to solve this more than we do," she added.
She encourages anyone with information to contact Crime Stoppers at 419-255-1111.

More & more, I'm thinking LE doesn't have a thing, as far as who the perps are.

(03-08-2011, 06:01 PM)Jane Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 05:40 PM)kitty1 Wrote: I may have mentioned this before but the police have checked out all the local places for duct tape sales. No luck

Thanks for the info, Kitty! I don't remember you mentioning this before now.

As in, all local stores are saying they haven't sold duct tape in X amount of months? Maybe LE needs to ask, "Has anyone stolen duct tape from your store?"

(03-08-2011, 06:01 PM)JsMom Wrote: I wholeheartedly AGREE with EVERYTHING you have just stated ABOVE! I HAVENT READ NO WHERE ON HERE WHERE SOMEONE HAS SAID SHE CAN NOT AFFORD A HEAD STONE FOR HER SON!

Someone did make a comment that maybe the family couldn't afford a marker, but it wasn't made as being a smartass, or anything bad against Maytee. She's obsessed with this site, & only reads what she wants to read, IMO. I think she's half enjoying all the comments from others on how MOCK is such an evil nasty place. Talking about MOCK gives her more attention. Again, JMO

eta ... most everyone here has sympathy for Maytee. I lost all sympathy for her, over 2 weeks ago, but most everyone here feels bad for her.

(03-08-2011, 06:05 PM)Jane Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 06:01 PM)JsMom Wrote: I wholeheartedly AGREE with EVERYTHING you have just stated ABOVE! I HAVENT READ NO WHERE ON HERE WHERE SOMEONE HAS SAID SHE CAN NOT AFFORD A HEAD STONE FOR HER SON!

Someone did make a comment that maybe the family couldn't afford a marker, but it wasn't made as being a smartass, or anything bad against Maytee. She's obsessed with this site, & only reads what she wants to read, IMO. I think she's half enjoying all the comments from others on how MOCK is such an evil nasty place. Talking about MOCK gives her more attention. Again, JMO

I must of overlooked that post! =(

(03-08-2011, 06:07 PM)JsMom Wrote: I must of overlooked that post! =(

It wasn't something that would have stuck out, in a comment. It wasn't made in a nasty way, & I don't remember who even made the comment, now.

(03-08-2011, 02:06 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 01:03 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 12:56 PM)blueyes Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 12:36 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:

(03-08-2011, 12:31 PM)Adub Wrote: And what bearing does wicked gossip about TW and JCsr have on the murders. I'm not getting it.

I s that how you see it? its a FACT that TW picked him up
you can read what ever you want into it

not gossip when it is fact she picked him up fact there is unaccounted for time n both it is thought drugs played a part n tw was involved some how? Keeping jc Sr away for a Lil longer to ensure safe get away and a reason for maytee to be upset with TW come on too many things there to be gossip! N I can have my opinion too its not as crazy as some other ideas

It is fact that TW picked up John Sr & drove him to the Straubs. It is NOT fact that they fucked in the backseat of a car. & Did the minor watch? Film it? Do you see how rediculous this is? Based off of TW giving JohnSr a ride, it is then somehow fact that they must have known eachother prior to this night? That they must have some sort of secret relationship? That's bullshit.

And what does this mean "Keeping jc Sr away for a Lil longer to ensure safe get away and a reason for maytee to be upset with TW" ? A safe get away? Ummm pretty sure the 2 hours that TW waited to alert anyone of her concern was plenty of time for a safe getaway. I don't think she needed to go pick up John Sr & seduce him to buy anyone more time. I'm also pretty sure that Maytee was pissed at TW for waiting so long to alert anyone of her concerns about that last supposed phone call.

Oh, I don't believe TW fucked him no way, no how. Would she drive a little bit slower and chat JCSr up to buy some extra time insurance, yeah, maybe I could see her doing that. That is what I meant when I replied!
NO, I don't see no fucking, sucking or back seat rocking!!

Has this really gotten to this?
Its ridiculous.
Im pretty sure NO ONE in their right mind would be
thinking about pussy when they think their childs life or
well being are at stake.
Good Lord.
Thats about as far reaching as it gets. No wonder Maytee gets
so pissed.

(03-08-2011, 06:05 PM)kfran Wrote: As in, all local stores are saying they haven't sold duct tape in X amount of months? Maybe LE needs to ask, "Has anyone stolen duct tape from your store?"

I'm not getting this either. No one bought any duct tape, what so ever, anytime around the murders? Not that it really means anything, they could have taken it from their own home. I just find it hard to believe but maybe that's because about a week ago I bought 10 rolls of the shit