Nina that was great...hey can someone give me the audio version of this thread, going on a roadtrip

(03-28-2011, 09:14 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 08:04 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 03:00 PM)shitstorm Wrote: ...... Would he kill people by putting bags over their heads? He says no and that may be right. He seemed disgusted with that manner of murder and called it cowardly. After reading all that I think if he had a grievance with someone he'd shoot them.

Wow!!! Is that is the "moral high ground'.....??

What do you think? I said I think a gun would probably be his chosen method of killing someone.

I think when pushed everyone would do things that circumstances demand. We call some heros and others criminals. When I see the group of thugery examined as possible suspects I (IMO) think they are capable of murder. And if circumstances escalated to demand that solution I think if a bag were handy, so be it. Some people have no impulse control and it takes little for them to escalate a disagreement into a fight and a fight into murder. The criminal mind blames others for their behaviour thus excusing themselves from the responsibility of their own actions. I think that makes it easier to be unreasonable.

(03-28-2011, 05:41 PM)NightOwl Wrote: AG was right about one thing for sure a COWARD done this deed! A former Dayton Ohio Detective told the Toledo Blade Newspaper - "There's a lot of work involved in this. That's not random. That's targeted," Doyle Burke, a retired Dayton homicide detective, told the Toledo Blade. "The average burglar or robber is armed, but they're not walking around with duct tape and plastic bags."

That has led some to believe that the perpetrators knew the victims, and that this was personal. Slowly suffocating the couple to death would indicate they wanted Johnny and Lisa to die slowly -- and painfully.

I have to go along with this experienced Detective - to me he's right on the money! Someone planned this event here and wanted them tortured to death. We do not want to be tricked and tripped up - I don't think we should overlook anything here or anyone! I believe LE will find the right party!

Hi 'NightOwl'..

I agree that the perps knew the victims and that Duct Tape and plastic bags are not typical tools of an armed robber. But what if you had a record that sent you back to jail for carrying a gun and a simple traffic stop could be enough to get you caught? Duct Tape would not arouse suspicion and could be enough to do get you what you want.

(03-28-2011, 09:37 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 09:31 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Based upon these comments, from the exchange with Maytee, I think if AP killed someone he would use a gun.

Do you really think AP would say EVER that he would use a bag?

No, and that's a fair point. Nobody would admit that.

(03-28-2011, 09:43 PM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 09:31 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Edit to add: You notice he said "Lacey". Sounds like he didn't know Lisa much.

I believe Lacey is JC's cousin

Why would AP say he prayed for her?

(03-28-2011, 09:31 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Based upon these comments, from the exchange with Maytee, I think if AP killed someone he would use a gun.

AG n i promise u i never hated johnny or lisa....neither of them were a threat to me in any way.....perioddddddd wit ur cheese eatin azz

That is what he posts on an open forum, but this that he posted is more typical of what he posts with his niggaz:

AG: man i dont give a fuck what that bitch is going thru......i definately aint gone kill the pussy azz nigga.....he was a bitch, why would i be threatened by that sucka in any way?

Sounds like he felt very bad about his friends' fate, huh? Still, I am not convinced he did it (although I do think he knows who did). Not that I don't think he's capable but it would be so phenomenally stupid for him to go on FB and call attention to himself if he was actively involved ......

Then again, he might just think he is too smart to get caught. Here are some of the traits of a psycopath again. Sounds just like him:

• Grandiose Self-Worth
• Pathological Lying
• Conning and Manipulativeness
• Lack of Remorse or Guilt
• Callousness and Lack of Empathy
• Parasitic Lifestyle
• Promiscuous Sexual Behavior
• Criminal Versatility
• Revocation of Condition Release - A revocation of probation or other conditional release due to technical violations, such as carelessness, low deliberation, or failing to appear. (remember TW said he was taken into custody after the murders briefly for FTA)

Justice Will Prevail for Johnny and Lisa on 3/28/11 You all will pay with your pathetic lives you pathetic skum low life cowards you sick evil snakes justice will and does make sure your all going to die and when you do you all go to hell i promise you that!!!! I hate you all for doing what you did to johnny n lisa...you always want n like someone elses money huh you low life skum well that night got you all dearh row

Think these posts are meant to goad AG or TW into saying something or just venting?

(03-28-2011, 10:19 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 09:43 PM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 09:31 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Edit to add: You notice he said "Lacey". Sounds like he didn't know Lisa much.

I believe Lacey is JC's cousin

Why would AP say he prayed for her?

Because the Prince of Darkness is a Gentleman of course.

(03-28-2011, 09:55 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 09:14 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 08:04 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 03:00 PM)shitstorm Wrote: ...... Would he kill people by putting bags over their heads? He says no and that may be right. He seemed disgusted with that manner of murder and called it cowardly. After reading all that I think if he had a grievance with someone he'd shoot them.

Wow!!! Is that is the "moral high ground'.....??

What do you think? I said I think a gun would probably be his chosen method of killing someone.

I think when pushed everyone would do things that circumstances demand. We call some heros and others criminals. When I see the group of thugery examined as possible suspects I (IMO) think they are capable of murder. And if circumstances escalated to demand that solution I think if a bag were handy, so be it. Some people have no impulse control and it takes little for them to escalate a disagreement into a fight and a fight into murder. The criminal mind blames others for their behaviour thus excusing themselves from the responsibility of their own actions. I think that makes it easier to be unreasonable.

I'm no profiler, and don't know much about the criminal mind, but a sadistic torture killing doesn't seem like a spur of the moment kind of thing to me. I believe I'm in the minority here in thinking that these premeditated murders. I've heard of lots of people being killed in robberies and never heard of torture in one of those cases. I would think that most anyone who would be crazy enough to go into someone's home to rob them of drugs and/or money would certainly be the type of person of person to carry a hand gun. Taking the time and effort to torture two people is beyond the usual robbery getting out of hand.

(03-28-2011, 03:00 PM)shitstorm Wrote: I believe him when he says he's "old school" and would not snitch. I respect that in a weird way. I hate snitches, too. I actually felt sad when I read that stuff. He talked about not having any friends and he talked about his weird sense of honor in his criminal world. I actually kind of liked him. Then, I had to remind myself that he's threatened to kill people and "make them famous".

I tried to gloss over this. I really really did. Shitstorm you shocked me. I understand how you feel about LE but you have to understand there is another side to the coin. Do you realize that this street code of not snitchin holds communities under the control of criminals? How could you say that you hate snitches too when "snitches" OR people who speak out against criminal activity are putting themselves at risk trying to make their communities safer against thugs? AP doesn't have friends because when you're a criminal you can't have friends who you trust well enough to not snitch unless they've participated in the same crime you have. Why feel sorry for AP because he's friendless? This isn't some 3^rd grade fat kid that is friendless & teased! This a grown man who is friendless because he's a criminal & it's safer to be friendless & not get snitched on. I hope you realize that this sense of honor that AP has spoke of entails robbing people at gun point & taking from them what he did not earn. He is a leach & I'm shocked that anyone could feel any kind of sympathy for him much less as you yourself have said Shitstorm, that you liked him are you fucking serious? Well how about this.... have AP & TW come live with you, wherever it is that you call home if you have so much respect for the thug. I'm really dumbfounded.

(03-28-2011, 10:22 PM)Nina Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 09:31 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Based upon these comments, from the exchange with Maytee, I think if AP killed someone he would use a gun.

AG n i promise u i never hated johnny or lisa....neither of them were a threat to me in any way.....perioddddddd wit ur cheese eatin azz

That is what he posts on an open forum, but this that he posted is more typical of what he posts with his niggaz:

AG: man i dont give a fuck what that bitch is going thru......i definately aint gone kill the pussy azz nigga.....he was a bitch, why would i be threatened by that sucka in any way?

Sounds like he felt very bad about his friends' fate, huh? Still, I am not convinced he did it (although I do think he knows who did). Not that I don't think he's capable but it would be so phenomenally stupid for him to go on FB and call attention to himself if he was actively involved ......

Then again, he might just think he is too smart to get caught. Here are some of the traits of a psycopath again. Sounds just like him:

• Grandiose Self-Worth
• Pathological Lying
• Conning and Manipulativeness
• Lack of Remorse or Guilt
• Callousness and Lack of Empathy
• Parasitic Lifestyle
• Promiscuous Sexual Behavior
• Criminal Versatility
• Revocation of Condition Release - A revocation of probation or other conditional release due to technical violations, such as carelessness, low deliberation, or failing to appear. (remember TW said he was taken into custody after the murders briefly for FTA)

What is FTA?

Yeah, I've read lots of his nice postings and seen his tats. He's a thug, I know. Would he commit two torture killings rather than, say, just shoot them in the head? Dunno!

As for feeling bad for his friend, I've never seen anything indicating they were friends. I know they were in prison together. Did they party, hang out, Johnny cut his hair, etc? I don't think so. I would be surprised if most of these people felt badly when any other hoodrat gets killed. Routine in that world.

(03-28-2011, 10:30 PM)Nina Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 10:19 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 09:43 PM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 09:31 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Edit to add: You notice he said "Lacey". Sounds like he didn't know Lisa much.

I believe Lacey is JC's cousin

Why would AP say he prayed for her?

Because the Prince of Darkness is a Gentleman of course.

lol

What I meant was did something happen to someone named Lacey that he would say he prayed for her? I took it that he just typed the wrong name and didn't even know Lisa that well.

(03-28-2011, 10:43 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 10:30 PM)Nina Wrote: [quote='shitstorm' pid='150396' dateline='1301365188']
[quote='Wish.I.was.a.P.I' pid='150386' dateline='1301363011']
[quote='shitstorm' pid='150382' dateline='1301362319']

Because the Prince of Darkness is a Gentleman of course.

lol

What I meant was did something happen to someone named Lacey that he would say he prayed for her? I took it that he just typed the wrong name and didn't even know Lisa that well.

I don't know why I just know he has a cousin Lacey.

[/quote]

What is FTA?

Yeah, I've read lots of his nice postings and seen his tats. He's a thug, I know. Would he commit two torture killings rather than, say, just shoot them in the head? Dunno!

As for feeling bad for his friend, I've never seen anything indicating they were friends. I know they were in prison together. Did they party, hang out, Johnny cut his hair, etc? I don't think so. I would be surprised if most of these people felt badly when any other hoodrat gets killed. Routine in that world.


[/quote]

FTA is failure to appear. You're right, I don't guess I've ever seen him state that they were friends - he just said he didn't hate them. TW was the one that said they were her friends.

OK, I am getting off here because I feel like a huge loser checking this every 15 minutes all day long.... You guys figure it all out, call Crimestoppers, and let me know tomorrow please.

(03-28-2011, 10:36 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 03:00 PM)shitstorm Wrote: I believe him when he says he's "old school" and would not snitch. I respect that in a weird way. I hate snitches, too. I actually felt sad when I read that stuff. He talked about not having any friends and he talked about his weird sense of honor in his criminal world. I actually kind of liked him. Then, I had to remind myself that he's threatened to kill people and "make them famous".

I tried to gloss over this. I really really did. Shitstorm you shocked me. I understand how you feel about LE but you have to understand there is another side to the coin. Do you realize that this street code of not snitchin holds communities under the control of criminals? How could you say that you hate snitches too when "snitches" OR people who speak out against criminal activity are putting themselves at risk trying to make their communities safer against thugs? AP doesn't have friends because when you're a criminal you can't have friends who you trust well enough to not snitch unless they've participated in the same crime you have. Why feel sorry for AP because he's friendless? This isn't some 3^rd grade fat kid that is friendless & teased! This a grown man who is friendless because he's a criminal & it's safer to be friendless & not get snitched on. I hope you realize that this sense of honor that AP has spoke of entails robbing people at gun point & taking from them what he did not earn. He is a leach & I'm shocked that anyone could feel any kind of sympathy for him much less as you yourself have said Shitstorm, that you liked him are you fucking serious? Well how about this.... have AP & TW come live with you, wherever it is that you call home if you have so much respect for the thug. I'm really dumbfounded.

It was a fleeting and momentary "liking", FB. In comparison to some of the shit Maytee was saying, he sounded sane. There is also the possibility that he is innocent of these murders and he is being accused of something he didn't do. Did THAT ever cross your mind? Does one have to be a defense attorney to look at it from that perspective? He is innocent until proven guilty and he hasn't even been named as a suspect.

"Snitching", as I understand it, is not an innocent person reporting a crime, but some inmate or suspect who provides testimony against another suspect/defendant/inmate in order to get a reduced sentence or not be charged. Do you have ANY idea how many innocent people have been sent to prison because of the testimony of people who will lie to save their own necks? I have a problem with that and it's about credibility. Many cases have been overturned and people released from prison because of prosecutors using pathological liars to get convictions. I want the guilty to be locked up, not just anybody. I don't like the lynch mob mentality.

I don't have a "side" in this drama. It's just another crime concerning people I know very little about. I feel sorry for the family members who lost their loved ones. You seem to have really taken to Maytee, who has fingered this guy as guilty, so maybe you believe that. I have no idea who did it. Maytee may be making false accusations. Every last one of this cast of characters is shady, as far I'm concerned.

(03-28-2011, 10:06 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 05:41 PM)NightOwl Wrote: AG was right about one thing for sure a COWARD done this deed! A former Dayton Ohio Detective told the Toledo Blade Newspaper - "There's a lot of work involved in this. That's not random. That's targeted," Doyle Burke, a retired Dayton homicide detective, told the Toledo Blade. "The average burglar or robber is armed, but they're not walking around with duct tape and plastic bags."

That has led some to believe that the perpetrators knew the victims, and that this was personal. Slowly suffocating the couple to death would indicate they wanted Johnny and Lisa to die slowly -- and painfully.

I have to go along with this experienced Detective - to me he's right on the money! Someone planned this event here and wanted them tortured to death. We do not want to be tricked and tripped up - I don't think we should overlook anything here or anyone! I believe LE will find the right party!

Hi 'NightOwl'..

I agree that the perps knew the victims and that Duct Tape and plastic bags are not typical tools of an armed robber. But what if you had a record that sent you back to jail for carrying a gun and a simple traffic stop could be enough to get you caught? Duct Tape would not arouse suspicion and could be enough to do get you what you want.

soooo they did plan to kill them.?

(03-28-2011, 11:17 PM)shitstorm Wrote: It was a fleeting and momentary "liking", FB. In comparison to some of the shit Maytee was saying, he sounded sane. There is also the possibility that he is innocent of these murders and he is being accused of something he didn't do. Did THAT ever cross your mind? Does one have to be a defense attorney to look at it from that perspective? He is innocent until proven guilty and he hasn't even been named as a suspect.

"Snitching", as I understand it, is not an innocent person reporting a crime, but some inmate or suspect who provides testimony against another suspect/defendant/inmate in order to get a reduced sentence or not be charged. Do you have ANY idea how many innocent people have been sent to prison because of the testimony of people who will lie to save their own necks? I have a problem with that and it's about credibility. Many cases have been overturned and people released from prison because of prosecutors using pathological liars to get convictions. I want the guilty to be locked up, not just anybody. I don't like the lynch mob mentality.

I don't have a "side" in this drama. It's just another crime concerning people I know very little about. I feel sorry for the family members who lost their loved ones. You seem to have really taken to Maytee, who has fingered this guy as guilty, so maybe you believe that. I have no idea who did it. Maytee may be making false accusations. Every last one of this cast of characters is shady, as far I'm concerned.

Actually it HAS crossed my mind that AP may be innocent of this crime in particular but he is still guilty of many other crimes (mostly violent, involving a weapon) so my opinion doesn't much change. I'd still like to see him off of the streets until, if he can ever, understand the way a normal citizan in society functions. That is debateable as he seems very much inclined to liken himself, to this day, as a thug/down ass nigga/no snitchin, person. Speakin of snitching, IMO I think it's two fold, people who tell on people who do crimes & then, people who were involved in crimes, maybe partialy, who rat on the people they were with to get a lesser sentence. I also see people who completely take the rap for another persons crime because they don't want to be known as a snitch. Either way as long as it gets a criminal of the streets, stitch away. To me, it's like a bully tactic. It's bullshit. What it boiles down to is people participating in illegal shit who don't want to be told on or who don't want to take the wrap so they BULLY people into either keeping quite or taking the rap for them. I have taken a liking to Maytee if for nothing else then because I'm a mother but maybe also because I've also been prejudged. No she doesn't have the best of pasts but in no way does that take away from her love for her child & the pain that she feels. Her background has nothing, that I have see, to do with, the fate of her son. Plus I've always been one for the under dogs & I feel like Maytee has been an underdog in this situation.

I would also like to add that I, personally don't spend my days & nights worried about anyone snitchin on me & I assume most of mockers don't. That's because I don't do anything illegal that would would put me in the position to be snitched on. It's all very simple you see... don't involve yourself in criminal activity & don't befriend people who do criminal activity & no one will ever snitch on you. However if you DO partake in things that could get you in trouble, don't be pissed off when your ass gets caught. How hard is it to understand personal responsibiity instead of blaming it on the person who told on you for doing some shit you shouldn't have been doing in the 1^st place!!!! *scratches head*

(03-28-2011, 11:17 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 10:36 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(03-28-2011, 03:00 PM)shitstorm Wrote: I believe him when he says he's "old school" and would not snitch. I respect that in a weird way. I hate snitches, too. I actually felt sad when I read that stuff. He talked about not having any friends and he talked about his weird sense of honor in his criminal world. I actually kind of liked him. Then, I had to remind myself that he's threatened to kill people and "make them famous".

I tried to gloss over this. I really really did. Shitstorm you shocked me. I understand how you feel about LE but you have to understand there is another side to the coin. Do you realize that this street code of not snitchin holds communities under the control of criminals? How could you say that you hate snitches too when "snitches" OR people who speak out against criminal activity are putting themselves at risk trying to make their communities safer against thugs? AP doesn't have friends because when you're a criminal you can't have friends who you trust well enough to not snitch unless they've participated in the same crime you have. Why feel sorry for AP because he's friendless? This isn't some 3^rd grade fat kid that is friendless & teased! This a grown man who is friendless because he's a criminal & it's safer to be friendless & not get snitched on. I hope you realize that this sense of honor that AP has spoke of entails robbing people at gun point & taking from them what he did not earn. He is a leach & I'm shocked that anyone could feel any kind of sympathy for him much less as you yourself have said Shitstorm, that you liked him are you fucking serious? Well how about this.... have AP & TW come live with you, wherever it is that you call home if you have so much respect for the thug. I'm really dumbfounded.

It was a fleeting and momentary "liking", FB. In comparison to some of the shit Maytee was saying, he sounded sane. There is also the possibility that he is innocent of these murders and he is being accused of something he didn't do. Did THAT ever cross your mind? Does one have to be a defense attorney to look at it from that perspective? He is innocent until proven guilty and he hasn't even been named as a suspect.

"Snitching", as I understand it, is not an innocent person reporting a crime, but some inmate or suspect who provides testimony against another suspect/defendant/inmate in order to get a reduced sentence or not be charged. Do you have ANY idea how many innocent people have been sent to prison because of the testimony of people who will lie to save their own necks? I have a problem with that and it's about credibility. Many cases have been overturned and people released from prison because of prosecutors using pathological liars to get convictions. I want the guilty to be locked up, not just anybody. I don't like the lynch mob mentality.

I don't have a "side" in this drama. It's just another crime concerning people I know very little about. I feel sorry for the family members who lost their loved ones. You seem to have really taken to Maytee, who has fingered this guy as guilty, so maybe you believe that. I have no idea who did it. Maytee may be making false accusations. Every last one of this cast of characters is shady, as far I'm concerned.

(03-29-2011, 12:22 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote: I would also like to add that I, personally don't spend my days & nights worried about anyone snitchin on me & I assume most of mockers don't. That's because I don't do anything illegal that would would put me in the position to be snitched on. It's all very simple you see... don't involve yourself in criminal activity & don't befriend people who do criminal activity & no one will ever snitch on you. However if you DO partake in things that could get you in trouble, don't be pissed off when your ass gets caught. How hard is it to understand personal responsibiity instead of blaming it on the person who told on you for doing some shit you shouldn't have been doing in the 1^st place!!!! *scratches head*