Nina said "The most likely scenario has already been talked about over and over. Johnny was a small time drug dealer. He told the cops who his supplier was in a plea deal when he was in jail (or it was rumored that he did in the hood) and a bunch of these hood rat guys were pissed off at him (all the mentions of snitching in the couple weeks before the murders on FB). They were waiting for a chance to punish him for it (AG's reference to Johnny being scared to go somewhere AG might be).

Everybody knew Lisa's parents were out of town because they had a little party over the weekend.; everybody knew Johnny had some weed and/or pills - ALL these kids do that shit and its just not a party without it. At least two, possibly three guys went over there and waited for JC/LS to get home. Johnny didn't even lock the garage door because they were only coming home for LS to change - easy entry. One or two guys thought they were only going over there to rough Johnny up, scare the shit out of him and take his shit to teach him a lesson. But one of the guys was a pyschopath and intended to kill them all along - which is why he brought the duct tape and bags. They didn't take TVs etc because the other guys freaked out about pyscho boy actually killing JC/LS and wanted to get the hell out of there.

And I still think TW played a role in all this. She buddied up to LS and helped set this whole thing up but she didn't know anyone was going to get killed - she just thought there'd be a little ass-kicking and drug stealing.

I think Nina "nailed it". Makes the most sense.

(04-01-2011, 08:17 PM)Nina Wrote: AG: plese oh please gimme the chance n i promise i wont disappoint anyone who bleeds jus like me n thatz on my life

TW: bby u can have as many chances as u need wyt me...! evn tho thats not towards me..but im jus letting u kno...but i kno we aint gonn need chances cuz we ae perfec now just how we are....we got eeryting we both ever wated its perfect..!

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh brother!!

(04-01-2011, 08:18 PM)pspence Wrote: I think Nina "nailed it". Makes the most sense.

Except that I'm not seeing that Johnny received any great plea deal. More than likely the cause was something that happened after he got out.

(04-01-2011, 08:27 PM)Adub Wrote:

(04-01-2011, 08:18 PM)pspence Wrote: I think Nina "nailed it". Makes the most sense.

Except that I'm not seeing that Johnny received any great plea deal. More than likely the cause was something that happened after he got out.

True. I don't even recall exactly what he was charged with so I don't for sure he got any kind of deal but we did hear from both AG and Maytee that he got moved to another facility - they don't usually move you just because you don't like the accomodations.

Something there that pissed these guys off...snitching, the car deal - something. AG and TW both mentioned the snitching in regards to him repeatedly, thats why I think it is most likely reason -whether he really did or not.

Does anyone know if Lisa was raped? I am not sure but, if she was would a hoodrat bother? if anyone could verify that it would help I think. Hoodrats shoot and go I think - this was a cruel way to kill anyone.

(04-01-2011, 08:59 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Does anyone know if Lisa was raped?

i don't think LE ever released that information.

Finally sitting down to catch up and see what I've missed! It's been a long week, and I've REALLY missed mock!

(04-01-2011, 09:01 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(04-01-2011, 08:59 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Does anyone know if Lisa was raped?

i don't think LE ever released that information.

Many thanks! Hope your having a fun April Fools' Day!

A little off topic but TRUE STORY.....

We live in a nice middle-class suburban family neighborhood - swim team/gymboree for the kiddies at the clubhouse/tennis courts, etc - Definitely not the hood or even very close to one. My son was renting a house in a similar neighborhood down the street with 3 other college kids. One Sunday evening two summers ago they had some friends over for a cook out. One of the roommates had some kids no one else knew come by in a black SUV. The roommate went out to the street to talk to these kids - some kind of argument ensued and these kids SHOT at my son's roommate but only grazed his leg. Cops were called -they came, smelled pot at the house and tore the house apart. They found some diggie scales and weed in this same kid's bedroom. Arrested ALL the kids at the house and charged them with possession with intent to distribute.

My son told the cops who he thought shot at his roommate - not neccessarily to "snitch" but because he was scared to death- he'd probably never even been around a gun being fired before. It was some black "hood" type kids that live in some apartments across town. Apparently over some money owed. My son and the other roommates got off with misdeameanor possession because the one roommate fessed up the stuff was all his. He is still in jail - I think he got 6 years.

A couple of months ago (keep in mind this "snitching" was almost TWO years ago) my son was driving through a Kroger parking lot and someone SHOT his window out. Missed his head by inches. Scared the hell out of all of us. My son moved out of his house (a different one), sold his car and is basically hiding out because he is scared - he's convinced it was the dealer guys. Even though they never even got arrested.

My son is no angel, but he's no gangsta thug either - he made good grades, excelled in sports, works/college, etc etc - All his friends have those beer pong parties and most of them smoke pot but they are clean cut all-american type kids. I'm not a perfect parent but I've never been arrested, haven't smoked pot or done any drugs since I was in college - I certainly love and nurture my kids and have tried my level best to teach them right from wrong and keep these kinds of influences out of their lives. That's why I have compassion for Maytee - I guess she could have locked him in the house but aside from that you don't have much control over what young adults do.

My point is that this crap happens all over and these kids don't even realize the chances they are really taking. There is no telling when Johnny did or said the wrong thing to someone - obviously some people hold grudges for a long time.

Anyways, that is my personal reasoning for why I think drugs/snitching is the most likely scenario over these "love triangle/jealous mother" theories. And also why I understand Maytee's immediate panic - because it sure as hell scares me anytime my son calls me later than my normal bedtime.

I hope I am not coming across as blase about all this - I was mad, guilty, worried, and scared to death for my son when all this happened and I still am. I never thought in a million years it could happen to MY family. But it can.

To anyone still doubting the scales.. No one in that house needed weight watchers. As far as Johnny bragging I can only relay a rumor that I have relayed before. Apparently Johnny was quite the bragger about where he was staying and what they had. I can't prove that this is fact but it came to me from a very good source. No the Straubs were not rich and there home is not one that would typically be targeted IMO. I believe there were drugs in the home,but not more than a few hundred dollars worth. Jim V is a very quiet, reserved man. He is difficult to read. He may seem emotionless to some but that is incongruent with what he is truely feeling

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Nina, TRUE STORY fantastic write up, you explain so well! Thanks for sharing with us all.

(04-01-2011, 08:12 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(04-01-2011, 08:04 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote: I think 'CONCERNED' is as close as we will get to 'UNKNOWN'....But I will bet he (unknown) has been tuned in all along.

Speaking of Unknown, I was just informed that he is the one who said the key was for the security box in the basement. Unknown had some good insider info but I don't take everything Unknown said as the gospel truth. How did unknown know what they key went to? & why did the media bother to mention it at all?

Blah! I don't know. I read about the safe again last night in those articles & it just rubbed me the wrong way for some odd reason.

Unknown is very close to the Straub family. All his information was from a good source. Trust me I know.

(04-01-2011, 07:58 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(04-01-2011, 06:52 PM)justme Wrote:

(04-01-2011, 06:22 PM)WolfHouse Wrote: If each of you were told to 'think outside the box' and give one new
possibility at any step of the crime, what would it be?

Check out people who were at the "party" the night before. Some one scoped the house out--knew Lisa would be at work and Johnny watching game at other friend's house. Go in to rob the house --Lisa gets off work a little early. JC and Ls get to the house and surprise the robbers. Johnny and Lisa know who they are and that's why they are murdered. IMO of course

Thats concise and very plausable...I like it...

I like it

(04-01-2011, 10:15 PM)concerned Wrote:

(04-01-2011, 07:58 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(04-01-2011, 06:52 PM)justme Wrote:

(04-01-2011, 06:22 PM)WolfHouse Wrote: If each of you were told to 'think outside the box' and give one new
possibility at any step of the crime, what would it be?

Check out people who were at the "party" the night before. Some one scoped the house out--knew Lisa would be at work and Johnny watching game at other friend's house. Go in to rob the house --Lisa gets off work a little early. JC and Ls get to the house and surprise the robbers. Johnny and Lisa know who they are and that's why they are murdered. IMO of course

Thats concise and very plausable...I like it...

I like it

I like it too, but, why would they bring the tape? The tape did not come from the home!

Now this is what I like to read on Mock, the different theories, the discussions... I would like to know what the neighbors on Longacre are thinking. I wonder how many of them replay that late Sunday night over and over in their heads. Thinking if maybe that noise or dog barking they heard could have been something. Are they afraid to go to sleep at night. Did they have alarm systems put in, buy a gun. Put up a for sale sign?

(04-01-2011, 06:22 PM)WolfHouse Wrote: If each of you were told to 'think outside the box' and give one new
possibility at any step of the crime, what would it be?

WolfHouse, you are trapped between 2 flying penquins LOL

Seriously, how about a very disgruntled and agitated neighbour he thought he'd snoop and plunder through the Straub's he was ever so jealous because they had money to go on this trip - he has financial woes up the arse, he's in desperate straits and needs money to get to the casino. He never dreamed he'd get caught and here he was trapped upstairs. The rest of the story you know.

Powerful post Nina. Thanks for sharing. I agree 100% with what you said.

I love being trapped between the penguins!

(04-01-2011, 08:18 PM)pspence Wrote: Nina said "The most likely scenario has already been talked about over and over. Johnny was a small time drug dealer. He told the cops who his supplier was in a plea deal when he was in jail (or it was rumored that he did in the hood) and a bunch of these hood rat guys were pissed off at him (all the mentions of snitching in the couple weeks before the murders on FB). They were waiting for a chance to punish him for it (AG's reference to Johnny being scared to go somewhere AG might be).

Everybody knew Lisa's parents were out of town because they had a little party over the weekend.; everybody knew Johnny had some weed and/or pills - ALL these kids do that shit and its just not a party without it. At least two, possibly three guys went over there and waited for JC/LS to get home. Johnny didn't even lock the garage door because they were only coming home for LS to change - easy entry. One or two guys thought they were only going over there to rough Johnny up, scare the shit out of him and take his shit to teach him a lesson. But one of the guys was a pyschopath and intended to kill them all along - which is why he brought the duct tape and bags. They didn't take TVs etc because the other guys freaked out about pyscho boy actually killing JC/LS and wanted to get the hell out of there.

And I still think TW played a role in all this. She buddied up to LS and helped set this whole thing up but she didn't know anyone was going to get killed - she just thought there'd be a little ass-kicking and drug stealing.

I think Nina "nailed it". Makes the most sense.

Yea, I agree I think someone went psycho.

(04-01-2011, 10:28 PM)WolfHouse Wrote: I love being trapped between the penguins!

BTW there is a thread that shitty started about fetishes. Maybe you need to talk about your love of furry creatures there.