(04-02-2011, 04:11 AM)pspence Wrote: An earlier post ..."did the Straub's move out...we've heard several "rumors' but I can't recall anything that was said for sure they moved out...???"


Often people don't have the economic choice to be able to say "I'll never live there again"...can't sell anything in this market...a hefty mortgage payment...their only choice is to move back in...

The Straub's own a second home. I'm sure they moved out of the house where the crime occurred. I just can't imagine living in the Longacre lane home after this horrible crime.

I'm sorry but I think Maytee is talking out of her neck again, I hope I'm wrong but I have seen her say these things on FB before about the killers being caught. I would hope thats the truth but then she shouldn't post it all over the internet for the killers or thier possy to see.. Just saying IMO.. but we shall see soon enough I guess...

Maybe TW was jealous of the relationship that JC and LS had? AG has made many comments on Maytees pages stating "Johnny feared me when he was alive, what makes you think he is haunting me now? Did he grow a pair in his casket?" Doesn't sound like someone that can supply much love... TW is apparently someone looking for love and attention (the children she has had with multiple men, being with hoodrats from the streets, ect), maybe she was jealous of the love between the two... she longed for a relationship like that... AG is a addict... most addicts are unable to have normal relationships, they are unable to go on trips like LS and JC went on (Florida) because all their means go towards drugs... maybe something in her foggy, drugged, depressed, twisted mind snapped. So she made up a few lies about what/how much drugs were in the Straub home while they were gone and made sure the right people heard about these drugs.... Then she made the phone call to make sure whaat time he was going to be home from picking LS up from work (stating she wanted to buy some dope or pills) allowing her to tell whomever went there what time to leave by. Then when these "goons" get there, can't find the large amount of drugs/money that TW said was there, they decide to hang out until JC and LS come home to make them show where the stash is.... (thus LS feet not being taped but JC are) after parading her around and nothing being found... they are angry, put the bags over their heads and leave....they can't shoot them (too much noise involved for this sleepy neighborhood) they dont want to stab them (too messy and makes it hard for them to go back into society like nothing happened if they're covered in JC/LS blood) so what the next logical, quite move? Suffication.... holding pillows over their faces makes the murderers have to stay in the home even longer, strangling them would leave embedded hand prints on their throats... so they have the tape (they used to tie up JC and LS with intially), find some bags in the kitchen (where most people store their store bags to re-use them) and that is that (in the murderers minds). Maybe they didnt go there with the intent to kill them, just to make them show the murderers where the drugs/money are/is.... (JC/Ls are not going to report the robbery to the police bc it would be admitting to selling the drugs... so the murderer isn't worried about the two naming them) but then when nothing is found, they lose their tempers.....

These people and EVERYONE involved have to be found and punished... Maytee and her family as well as the Straub family NEED this! Maytee is a wonderful mom and she will never be able to begin to get back to that until Justice is Served! She will never be able to be the same again, but maybe these fuckers being caught will allow her to feel like she can breathe again and be able to greive without being so angry. She has every reason to be the way she has been... I know that I would be too!!!

(04-02-2011, 08:09 AM)fabulous Wrote:

(04-02-2011, 04:11 AM)pspence Wrote: An earlier post ..."did the Straub's move out...we've heard several "rumors' but I can't recall anything that was said for sure they moved out...???"


Often people don't have the economic choice to be able to say "I'll never live there again"...can't sell anything in this market...a hefty mortgage payment...their only choice is to move back in...

The Straub's own a second home. I'm sure they moved out of the house where the crime occurred. I just can't imagine living in the Longacre lane home after this horrible crime.

Pretty sure Straub's are still in the house--heard from a reliable source

Part of me still thinks there was a gun involved to cause fear, if there wasnt then there was deff more than one person involved in this because Johnny wasnt a small guy and also having 2 victims verse one killer and the fact that plastic bags caused the deaths I would think that would be very hard to do if your doing it alone. These little assholes need to be caught ASAP, and I can't wait to hear who it was and watch them fuckers burn for this...

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Part of me still thinks there was a gun involved to cause fear, if there wasnt then there was deff more than one person involved in this because Johnny wasnt a small guy and also having 2 victims verse one killer and the fact that plastic bags caused the deaths I would think that would be very hard to do if your doing it alone. These little assholes need to be caught ASAP, and I can't wait to hear who it was and watch them fuckers burn for this...
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I agree... Burn, Bitches, Burn!!!

(04-01-2011, 07:34 PM)NightOwl Wrote:

(04-01-2011, 06:42 PM)Adub Wrote: Nobody brings the scales out for a party.

Adub, Good answer! but, it could be a trick the scales.

A psychopath is full of tricks and deceit.

Agreed! Also agreed that this case will probably be solved by looking outside of the box. I am still convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 9-11 tapes reveal some much info. If you go back and listen to them and analyze what is being said by Maytee from the very first call. "She knew they were inside of that house and in danger!" Then the calling of a rescue for her heart, then a short time later she makes an amazing recovery and plays detective by driving over to the Straubs with her cousin (who she conveniently woke up in the middle of the night for a ride when they have 2 of their own vans). John senior being picked up[ of Tiff...who they would later accuse of murdering Johnny and Lisa. Come on, what are the chances of that.
If John Sr. would have really believed Tiff killed them, He would have taken actions into his own hands against her and her boyfriend. Lucas county Sheriff were at the home twice and noticed nothing suspicious, looked in the windows, around the house and nothing. Then a short time later....Amazing! The Clarkes (who have no formal law enforcement training) was able to do what several trained professional deputies were not able to. They found Johnny and Lisa dead. I smell deceit from the very beginning.

(04-02-2011, 10:03 AM)Whats the word?? Wrote: These people and EVERYONE involved have to be found and punished... Maytee and her family as well as the Straub family NEED this! Maytee is a wonderful mom and she will never be able to begin to get back to that until Justice is Served! She will never be able to be the same again, but maybe these fuckers being caught will allow her to feel like she can breathe again and be able to greive without being so angry. She has every reason to be the way she has been... I know that I would be too!!!

Yes both families need closure. I can't wait for the day these sick useless people are off of the streets.

your comment :"Maytee is a wonderful mom". No dis-respect to you but you obviously don't know her personally. A "wonderful mom" is someone who loves and cares for their child, someone who makes sacrifices, someone who tries their hardest to keep their son away from drugs... A "wonderful mom" does not introduced that lifestyle to him at a very young age as well as all of his friends. Maytee probably feels bad (as she should) for all of the damage that she has done to Johnny's life. Nothing positive can ever come out of doing drugs with your kid and hanging out with all of his friends. We have all seen it for years first hand(people who know them personally) and it's a shame that nobody was able to come to Johnny's rescue because of the wall that his mother had put between him and the real people who loved him.

(04-02-2011, 11:32 AM)truth be told Wrote:

(04-01-2011, 07:34 PM)NightOwl Wrote:

(04-01-2011, 06:42 PM)Adub Wrote: Nobody brings the scales out for a party.

Adub, Good answer! but, it could be a trick the scales.

A psychopath is full of tricks and deceit.

Agreed! Also agreed that this case will probably be solved by looking outside of the box. I am still convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 9-11 tapes reveal some much info. If you go back and listen to them and analyze what is being said by Maytee from the very first call. "She knew they were inside of that house and in danger!" Then the calling of a rescue for her heart, then a short time later she makes an amazing recovery and plays detective by driving over to the Straubs with her cousin (who she conveniently woke up in the middle of the night for a ride when they have 2 of their own vans). John senior being picked up[ of Tiff...who they would later accuse of murdering Johnny and Lisa. Come on, what are the chances of that.
If John Sr. would have really believed Tiff killed them, He would have taken actions into his own hands against her and her boyfriend. Lucas county Sheriff were at the home twice and noticed nothing suspicious, looked in the windows, around the house and nothing. Then a short time later....Amazing! The Clarkes (who have no formal law enforcement training) was able to do what several trained professional deputies were not able to. They found Johnny and Lisa dead. I smell deceit from the very beginning.

As I said a while back... TW apparently knew where the clarkes lived so why didnt she go over there in the first place since she "didnt have their telephone number"?... It would be smart to play like she cared and go and pick up Sr. ... if she was involved, this would make her look like she cared and wouldn't make someone think she was in on it.
And the 911 calls Maytee doesnt cry out for help for her heart... she simply states that her heart is beating out of her chest, as anyones would who is in a state of fear... which she was...
The police didnt see anything wrong because they were not picking eachother up to look into the windows (not saying they did anything wrong, just stating a point) Sr. had to lift someone up to look into the window to see them, so of course the police didnt see anything. The police are not going to kick in the door when they dont see any reason to...and unfortunately they did... the Clarkes' on the other hand, did see reason to and they dont have a Cheif to answer to if they kicked in the door and nothing would have been wrong (like the police do)... they would have had to pay for damages and so on... police members could have lost their jobs...

Truth be Told... think about the situation before you say... it makes no sense that the Clarkes' set up their own son...

So back a bit some were discussing a fb conversation between AP/AG and Johnny's mom. About the car and an x-girl friend. I said may be AA, I think it was freshbait that doubted it was her.

Well, now I say maybe not..... I'm somewhat surprised to see who it is, just because of the last name. This last name that I am looking at has been coming up with various first names (relatives?) in the LC booking summary for stupid stuff. I hate sounding all cryptic but naming names is not cool at this point. And it probably means nothing anyways. Just that Maytee mentioned it.

(04-02-2011, 12:05 PM)Adub Wrote: So back a bit some were discussing a fb conversation between AP/AG and Johnny's mom. About the car and an x-girl friend. I said may be AA, I think it was freshbait that doubted it was her.

Well, now I say maybe not..... I'm somewhat surprised to see who it is, just because of the last name. This last name that I am looking at has been coming up with various first names (relatives?) in the LC booking summary for stupid stuff. I hate sounding all cryptic but naming names is not cool at this point. And it probably means nothing anyways. Just that Maytee mentioned it.

wow....interesteing....by the way good morning my fellow mockers,I went from golden gown and glass slippers to the slavery of mother hood!!!

(04-02-2011, 12:14 PM)ALWAYSBITCHEN Wrote:

(04-02-2011, 12:05 PM)Adub Wrote: So back a bit some were discussing a fb conversation between AP/AG and Johnny's mom. About the car and an x-girl friend. I said may be AA, I think it was freshbait that doubted it was her.

Well, now I say maybe not..... I'm somewhat surprised to see who it is, just because of the last name. This last name that I am looking at has been coming up with various first names (relatives?) in the LC booking summary for stupid stuff. I hate sounding all cryptic but naming names is not cool at this point. And it probably means nothing anyways. Just that Maytee mentioned it.
i gotta go do my normal routine of cleaning be back soon!!! just thought I would say hi to everyone first..

wow....interesteing....by the way good morning my fellow mockers,I went from golden gown and glass slippers to the slavery of mother hood!!!

... think about the situation before you say... it makes no sense that the Clarkes' set up their own son...

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It also doen't make no sense to flat out confront someone (the second 911 call) and blame them for setting up her son without actual knowledge. As far as "makes no sense". IMO- Maytee's entire life makes no sense, she has tormented everyone around her with her evil thoughts and actions. Do not ever turn your back on this evil woman unless you are willing to take a knife. The so called safe which she talks so much about would be a motive and actually make sense.

your comment :"Maytee is a wonderful mom". No dis-respect to you but you obviously don't know her personally. A "wonderful mom" is someone who loves and cares for their child, someone who makes sacrifices, someone who tries their hardest to keep their son away from drugs... A "wonderful mom" does not introduced that lifestyle to him at a very young age as well as all of his friends. Maytee probably feels bad (as she should) for all of the damage that she has done to Johnny's life. Nothing positive can ever come out of doing drugs with your kid and hanging out with all of his friends. We have all seen it for years first hand(people who know them personally) and it's a shame that nobody was able to come to Johnny's rescue because of the wall that his mother had put between him and the real people who loved him.
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Maybe I do know her personally, this I will not confirm... but I do know that everyone makes mistakes as mothers and fathers.... maybe some of the choices she made were not best... but that does not confirm that she was not a good mom. They loved eachother very much, he respected her and his family. No matter how hard a parent tries to keep their children out of the drug scene or from hanging with the wrong crowd, the teen/young adult has a mind of their own (Case in point, Lisa)... there are many people out there who's parents did drugs, ran with the wrong crowd, ect while they were young and they didnt follow in their footsteps...the same goes for the opposite... parents do right, try to keep everything away from their children...yet they still end up doing everything their parents tried to stop them from... *Everyone has their own opinion on what a good custodian is... many vary from one another... My opinion is that her children know that their mother loves them, would do anything for them, and may have made a bad decision or two in the past but the past is the past...bottom line... SHE LOVES HER CHILDREN

(04-02-2011, 12:28 PM)truth be told Wrote: ... think about the situation before you say... it makes no sense that the Clarkes' set up their own son...

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It also doen't make no sense to flat out confront someone (the second 911 call) and blame them for setting up her son without actual knowledge. As far as "makes no sense". IMO- Maytee's entire life makes no sense, she has tormented everyone around her with her evil thoughts and actions. Do not ever turn your back on this evil woman unless you are willing to take a knife. The so called safe which she talks so much about would be a motive and actually make sense.

as i said before AND IMO--Maytee didn't set him up to be murdered but set the Straub's up to be robbed--the rest --as they say--was collateral damage. And I am not totally letting TW off the hook--something fishy there IMO

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No matter how hard a parent tries to keep their children out of the drug scene or from hanging with the wrong crowd, the teen/young adult has a mind of their own (Case in point, Lisa)... there are many people out there who's parents did drugs, ran with the wrong crowd, ect while they were young and they didnt follow in their footsteps...the same goes for the opposite... parents do right, try to keep everything away from their children...yet they still end up doing everything their parents tried to stop them from... *Everyone has their own opinion on what a good custodian is... many vary from one another...

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I believe that anyone with half a brain cell in their head would agree that the day you sit down and fire up a big fat doobie and smoke it with your kid...that is the you broke all moral boundaries as a parent, as an adult and as a human being. A good parent is suppose to want the best opportunities in life for their children. Life is hard enough way in the hell would a parent ever want drugs in their child's life. I have personally seen what drugs have done to Maytee and John's life over the years and to watch them get Johnny involved in that lifestyle is totally senseless. Everything I just described would not be what I would consider to be a good "custodian".

(04-02-2011, 01:19 PM)justme Wrote: as i said before AND IMO--Maytee didn't set him up to be murdered but set the Straub's up to be robbed--the rest --as they say--was collateral damage.

AGREED 100%!

(04-02-2011, 03:56 PM)truth be told Wrote:

(04-02-2011, 01:19 PM)justme Wrote: as i said before AND IMO--Maytee didn't set him up to be murdered but set the Straub's up to be robbed--the rest --as they say--was collateral damage.

AGREED 100%!

Maybe thats why Maytee is freaking out so much on FB and such.. My husband said a while back he thinks she acts as if she is guilty of something... ya never know.... IMO

I have to say this forum has been slowly getting more quiet as the days go on..