Just realized that the for the handful of us that have posted consistently from the beginning, have been followed by over 600,000 (thanks Zero) people...it's the cyberspace version of the Truman Show.

JC LS were not forced to take oxi's by their killers that is like saying their killers forced them to eat a $20 bill. OCs go for $20 to $80 on the street depending on the mg. Lisa could have taken the oc while at work. If her bf was a dealer im sure she helped him get rid of his supply. I used to work at hooters for a year...many hooter girls took ocs and one girl sold them who worked there to the other hooter girls. Very easy to get rid of ocs in restaraunt industry. when you are a server you got to wear a smile all the time and ocs put you in a euphoric altered state. In the dealers eye servers are great customers, servers have cash on them at work to buy the pills.

(04-07-2011, 02:33 AM)d505 Wrote: JC LS were not forced to take oxi's by their killers...If her bf was a dealer im sure she helped him get rid of his supply.

Good point, thinking outside the bizzox...where have you been all this time?!?

Does anyone know if the police officers took a rectal temperature of the bodies once they were pronounced dead?

Work

(04-07-2011, 02:33 AM)d505 Wrote: JC LS were not forced to take oxi's by their killers that is like saying their killers forced them to eat a $20 bill. OCs go for $20 to $80 on the street depending on the mg. Lisa could have taken the oc while at work. If her bf was a dealer im sure she helped him get rid of his supply. I used to work at hooters for a year...many hooter girls took ocs and one girl sold them who worked there to the other hooter girls. Very easy to get rid of ocs in restaraunt industry. when you are a server you got to wear a smile all the time and ocs put you in a euphoric altered state. In the dealers eye servers are great customers, servers have cash on them at work to buy the pills.

d505, I think you are right - I hardly think they were forced to take pills. The money a pill is hauling in as you explained so well above is just wild! Great explanation really. Thank-you!

(04-07-2011, 02:54 AM)d505 Wrote: Does anyone know if the police officers took a rectal temperature of the bodies once they were pronounced dead?

Oh you were doing well...pretty sure LE carry guns not thermometers, maybe you meant medical examiner

(04-06-2011, 02:01 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote:

(04-06-2011, 12:22 PM)curious Wrote: [color=#FF1493]I find it extremely hard to believe JC was prescribed Percocet on Dec. 17 for a knee injury sustained over three years ago. My grandfather was an orthopedic surgeon and when I asked about this, he said if it was from a knee injury it would only be prescribed after a surgery and not for on going pain as over 90% of injuries sustained to the knee that do not require surgery are given an anti-inflammorty drug, to reduce swelling, not a pain reliever which would only mask
the pain temporarily.

i am on the fence with this. While i had a knee injury and did have as your grandfather said they gave me anti-inflammorty drugs for years till they did surgery and then was given pain meds for that. The pain meds for the knee surgery i was given was about 3 months if i remember right. (it was almost 10 years ago) However, the pain meds i take now are for an injury i sustained from a car accident over two years ago. Patients go through something called pain management. NOW i don't believe Johnny was doing this for a knee injury at all. But injuries can be treated with pain medication over a long period of time and not just anti-inflammorty drugs depending on the injury. i am speaking from my personal experience on both a knee injury and back injury.

My husband recently had his 3^rd knee surgery. Original injury was a high
school football injury that blew out his entire knee, leaving nothing holding it together other than skin. 2 subsequent knee surgeries were done
orthosopically (spelling) and were extensive to clean up scar tissue,
cysts and the third to remove more cartilage and scar tissue. He will be
having a full knee replacement sometime this year.
Anyway....onto the pain management. Before the second surgery
(I didnt know my husband when he was in hs), he went nearly 3 years
taking pain medications, to put off the surgery. We didnt have decent
insurance, so pain management was the word of the day. He was
prescribes quite a few different drugs, trying to find one that would help
This was before the days of oxycodone/oxycontin. He was Rx'd Vicodin,
Percodan, Darvocet, Percocet, Tramodol, Tylenol 3 and several other
generics and old school drugs. Mostly, they made him continue in pain,
but made him high enough to not care, or put him to sleep. While waiting
for his most recent knee surgery (september), he was in quite a bit of
pain due to torn cartilage (lost 47% of it) and a fractured tibia (at the
top of the bone where it supports the knee). Again, he was Rx'd the
same drugs as before while waiting. He waited for 8 weeks for that
surgery due to insurance requirements for the surgery go ahead.
I believe Maytee when she says JC was prescribed percocet for an old
injury. Especially if he had inadequate insurance for surgery. (as was our
case with the 2^nd surgery...they Rx'd drugs for over 3 years over and over
because we couldnt afford the surgery and lacked proper insurance)
Thats my two sense worth on this...I completely believe her on this.

@ imsuchawildflower...re: Rx'ed drugs

Dr. Conrad Murray?

(04-07-2011, 03:38 AM)curious Wrote:

(04-06-2011, 12:22 PM)curious Wrote:

...they Rx'd drugs for over 3 years over and over
because we couldnt afford the surgery and lacked proper insurance)
Thats my two sense worth on this...I completely believe her on this.

Dr. Conrad Murray?
[/quote]

When you dont have insurance, you cant go to a "family doctor" because
you dont have the money to pay for a visit...so you go to the ER.
Same hospital everytime, but a different dr. every time. Each Dr. has
their own drug preferences to Rx, hence the variety of drugs.
Once we had insurance and were on the way to fulfilling requirements
for the surgery referral, he had a consistant Dr, but he also Rx'd
pain meds for him for almost a year. They made him go to rehab, to
family Dr. first then onto specialists until he got the referral for an
actual surgeon. Then a second opinion on the surgeon. SO, yes...
in a round about way, the Dr. Murray effect is everywhere. Its very
easy to get pain meds, if you look credible. They need a true database
in order to keep it in check. If you want to take advantage of the system,
you TOTALLY can...

Recent developments in another case I have been following, lead me to believe that LE knows who killed JC and LS, and are quietly building their case before they move in with an arrest.
Last September, a young beautiful woman Leiah Jackson, who was due to give birth in just 2 weeks to her first child, was brutally attacked and stabbed at her home in Houston Texas ( I am from there, my family still lives there, so I read the news there almost daily).
8 ¹⁄₂ months pregnant, she was stabbed over 20 times - but still managed to go to a nearby duplex where her mother lived for help.
Before the ambulance took her to the hospital, she was able to tell her mother that the man who attacked her, was her fiancee's cousin.
Leiah and her unborn son died, and within hours, police would soon learn that her fiancee, Yancey Daniels, had also been murdered at his residence, just 30 minutes before Leiah was brutally attacked.
His cousin, was the last person he was known to have been with, the very same cousin that Leiah identified as her attacker, before she died.
You would think that this is an open and close case, since one of the victims was alive long enough, to identify the killer- but it still took almost 6 months from the time they were killed, for the police to file murder charges against their killer, which just happened on March 17^th.
They must of slowly and meticulously gathered evidence.
The police have been as tight lipped in that case, as they have been in this case with JC and LS. It could very well be, that LE has a very good idea who murdered JC and LS, and are slowly building their case against the perps, just as they did in this other double homicide.
I guess we cannot know for sure, but we can certainly hope!

Snoopy, thanks for the post. It will help shed some light on the tedious amount of work that goes into these cases. There is no room for error in these cases. No one wants to see anyone walking on the streets due to a technicality. I agree with thinking that LE knows who did this and are putting all the evidence together. As soon as there is an arrest it goes to the Grand Jury to indite( spelling, its early ) them. Nothing would be worse than having to tell the families they arrested them but then messed up the case.

I just popped in to see if there is any new information or an arrest. I see theres alot of activity goin on, so Im hoping this is some GOOD NEWS! well Im off to go start reading where I left off. Hope everyones having a great day.

(04-07-2011, 03:11 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:

(04-06-2011, 02:01 PM)heartbreaker6713 Wrote:

(04-06-2011, 12:22 PM)curious Wrote: [color=#FF1493]I find it extremely hard to believe JC was prescribed Percocet on Dec. 17 for a knee injury sustained over three years ago. My grandfather was an orthopedic surgeon and when I asked about this, he said if it was from a knee injury it would only be prescribed after a surgery and not for on going pain as over 90% of injuries sustained to the knee that do not require surgery are given an anti-inflammorty drug, to reduce swelling, not a pain reliever which would only mask
the pain temporarily.

i am on the fence with this. While i had a knee injury and did have as your grandfather said they gave me anti-inflammorty drugs for years till they did surgery and then was given pain meds for that. The pain meds for the knee surgery i was given was about 3 months if i remember right. (it was almost 10 years ago) However, the pain meds i take now are for an injury i sustained from a car accident over two years ago. Patients go through something called pain management. NOW i don't believe Johnny was doing this for a knee injury at all. But injuries can be treated with pain medication over a long period of time and not just anti-inflammorty drugs depending on the injury. i am speaking from my personal experience on both a knee injury and back injury.

My husband recently had his 3^rd knee surgery. Original injury was a high
school football injury that blew out his entire knee, leaving nothing holding it together other than skin. 2 subsequent knee surgeries were done
orthosopically (spelling) and were extensive to clean up scar tissue,
cysts and the third to remove more cartilage and scar tissue. He will be
having a full knee replacement sometime this year.
Anyway....onto the pain management. Before the second surgery
(I didnt know my husband when he was in hs), he went nearly 3 years
taking pain medications, to put off the surgery. We didnt have decent
insurance, so pain management was the word of the day. He was
prescribes quite a few different drugs, trying to find one that would help
This was before the days of oxycodone/oxycontin. He was Rx'd Vicodin,
Percodan, Darvocet, Percocet, Tramodol, Tylenol 3 and several other
generics and old school drugs. Mostly, they made him continue in pain,
but made him high enough to not care, or put him to sleep. While waiting
for his most recent knee surgery (september), he was in quite a bit of
pain due to torn cartilage (lost 47% of it) and a fractured tibia (at the
top of the bone where it supports the knee). Again, he was Rx'd the
same drugs as before while waiting. He waited for 8 weeks for that
surgery due to insurance requirements for the surgery go ahead.
I believe Maytee when she says JC was prescribed percocet for an old
injury. Especially if he had inadequate insurance for surgery. (as was our
case with the 2^nd surgery...they Rx'd drugs for over 3 years over and over
because we couldnt afford the surgery and lacked proper insurance)
Thats my two sense worth on this...I completely believe her on this.

I have zero insurance and pay for everything out of my pocket and pay for my medication out of my pocket. i made arrangements with my doctor who is a pain management doctor for a reduced fee. I understand you did what you did for your situation. But i don't feel i need to believe maytee. I've been without insurance for over a year and i've been able to keep myself under doctors care just the same.

My one cent on the availability of Rx drugs...I live in Pillbilly Capital-Florida. If you sneeze wrong or have a fart crossed and an MRI to prove it you can get a doc to write Rx's for ANY hard narcotic you want...for the right price. People who deal drugs have the funds to cover these visits and pay for the pills. Oxycodone here used to be 120 30mg pills for less than $100. Now they are $4 to $6 a pill. You tell me who can pay for that? Regular working folks? No way. Only people doing wrong can afford this. That is another problem for another forum but most other states have many physicians who will write narcs for not much reason. I'm sure JC was able to obtain a script for percs easy could be his Mom making an excuse as to why they were in his system. No doubt this will be something brought up if this ever gets to court. I have a feeling drugs will be a continuing subject in this case now and then.

Sorry duchess i forgot to trim my quote. in my early morning haze of no coffee i forgot i won't do it again!

heartbreaker6713, did you happen to miss the 17 different posts by Duchess and myself saying TRIM YOUR QUOTES? just wondering.


OK i just noticed we cross-posted.

(04-07-2011, 09:20 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: heartbreaker6713, did you happen to miss the 17 different posts by Duchess and myself saying TRIM YOUR QUOTES? just wondering.


OK i just noticed we cross-posted.

Yes LC i did and as soon as i saw it post, i said oh shit! i apologize, won't happen again. I was posting too fast before i am off to school and will be taking my time next time, i'm usually better about trimming them back.

well i can't bitch at one and not the other.

When you dont have insurance, you cant go to a "family doctor" because
you dont have the money to pay for a visit...so you go to the ER.
Same hospital everytime, but a different dr. every time. Each Dr.


here where i live it costs 1,000 just to walk through the door at the emergency room.