(04-08-2011, 03:44 PM)Sonny223 Wrote: Where is the robbers advantage here?

I don't think the motive was robbery, only staged to look as such, and not by anyone from the alphabet soup gang.

I still believe the main objective was to eliminate Johnny and Lisa. May have been a robbery or staged robbery after the murders.

Well, Curious, looks like we cross posted with the same idea.

Re alarm system~~~Lisa's uncle said it had been deactivated, but the news source said the wires were
cut. If so, that had to be premeditation. Also, think, that security system papers (see earlier post)
were out as J & L were trying to figure out to fix it. The key (as LC said early on) was most likely to
open security system box in basement. A lot of fighting went on at the crime scene as described in
earlier reports (plants knocked over, etc.) Somehow key ended up under Lisa's body; don't think there
is a hidden message. It just happened!
If we think outside of "usual suspects" how about Lisa's co-workers?

(04-08-2011, 06:23 PM)Adub Wrote: It is my understanding that Johnny and Lisa were living in the home. And had been since Lisa moved out of her apartment in Dec 2010.

You are probably right then- I think I got lost after Maytee said they lived with her and the Straub's had asked them to house sit. I guess I need to go back over some of the post, to see what I missed. :O

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Re alarm system~~~Lisa's uncle said it had been deactivated, but the news source said the wires were
cut.
Do you recall which news story said the wires were cut? I think I missed that too, and I would not mind taking a look at it, if you have the link?
I do recall a post on here where someone suggested this, and Duchess stated that if the wires had been cut, it would of signaled the police.
My brother -in-law worked for a home security company, and the alarms they installed- would trip the alarm and signal the police if any wires were cut, including the ones that were built inside the screens that cover the windows.

Also, I recall that the alarm papers were taken from the home during the search warrant, but I do not remember anything more being said, as far as why they were taken, or if the victims had the papers out.
I took this to mean that the police wanted to know what type of alarm was installed in the home, and how it worked- as the information may prove to be important at some point... /sigh... as hard as I try, I still fall behind on here!

Why is it then, if for some wild reason this crime was to kill only! Doesn't make any sense to wait around to stage a crime scene, that would take a long time to do. Especially if LE was there the same time as the killers. Which if was the case, the killers would of heard and possibly seen. Now were the neighbors awoken by flashing lights and possibly sirens. Neighbors had to peek out the window to see what's going on. Someone had to see something, come on

Maybe Lisa tried to hide the key and in her pants and perps didnt realize it was under her. We dont even know what the key was for. I'm sure LE does. Trying to think outside the box again

Compassions for TW? Please, alot of people grew up abused and didnt let that stand in their way. This ho has three kids who she dont have. One on the way by a possible minor. Shes a drug addict, criminal, Gangbanger in more than one sense of the word. NO compassion here. For an abused child yes not a grown irresponsible adult. Woman like her have no business having children. I'd like my taxpayer dollars to fix my roads or to education not feeding and housing her sorry welfare ass!!


IN MY OPINION

(04-08-2011, 06:33 PM)blueberryhill Wrote: Re alarm system~~~Lisa's uncle said it had been deactivated, but the news source said the wires were
cut. If so, that had to be premeditation. Also, think, that security system papers (see earlier post)
were out as J & L were trying to figure out to fix it. The key (as LC said early on) was most likely to
open security system box in basement. A lot of fighting went on at the crime scene as described in
earlier reports (plants knocked over, etc.) Somehow key ended up under Lisa's body; don't think there
is a hidden message. It just happened!
If we think outside of "usual suspects" how about Lisa's co-workers?

I don't remember hearing anything about the wires being cut besides hearsay on here early on.

I still think that the perps were present at the party the night before, scoped out the house, and took the security documents with them. That way they knew how to disable the alarm once they gained entry into the home the next day. They key could have been included with the documents and just fallen out or it was a "calling card". All IMO.

Snoopy~~I guess i shouldn't say stuff without being able to quote link. I do believe it was written in the
first report of the murder in the Toledo Blade. It would make sense if Uncle said it was deactivated and
perps didn't know that and cut them (no alarm, thus, going to Security). It would a least show premeditation.
I will try to find that earlier post.

(04-08-2011, 06:34 PM)Snoopy Wrote: You are probably right then- I think I got lost after Maytee said they lived with her and the Straub's had asked them to house sit. I guess I need to go back over some of the post, to see what I missed. :O

Maytee makes Johnny and Lisa out to be somewhat homeless. Here one day, there the next. Lisa's uncle states that Lisa and Johnny were living at the Longacre Lane home. And I believe that to be their main residence at the time of the murders. It is all in who you want to believe.

(04-08-2011, 07:03 PM)concerned Wrote: Compassions for TW? Please, alot of people grew up abused and didnt let that stand in their way. This ho has three kids who she dont have. One on the way by a possible minor. Shes a drug addict, criminal, Gangbanger in more than one sense of the word. NO compassion here. For an abused child yes not a grown irresponsible adult. Woman like her have no business having children. I'd like my taxpayer dollars to fix my roads or to education not feeding and housing her sorry welfare ass!!


IN MY OPINION

concerned, I wish you would STOP the tarring and feathering of this woman and the taunting. Thanks!

(04-08-2011, 07:12 PM)blueberryhill Wrote: . It would a least show premeditation.
I will try to find that earlier post.

Thank you Blueberry, I would love to see it, I am off to work now, and will check back when I get home in the morning.

(04-08-2011, 05:20 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i get a lot of inside information from people via email.

Can you tell us if its more then one person LC?

Also, the perps did not take the security documents with them; they were found in home along with the scales
and key to security system box (under lisa's body). They were taken from the Straub home by LE as evidence.
The key was never identified by news media. I am just basing that on comments from people with knowledge
of security systems. However, rest of stuff was in the news media.

(04-08-2011, 07:23 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(04-08-2011, 05:20 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i get a lot of inside information from people via email.

Can you tell us if its more then one person LC?

i have always, from day one, thought it had to be more than one person. one person alone could not have controlled that situation, even with a gun. too much hands-on effort involved.

Anyone ever wonder if one of the killers is now a member of Mock?

I think LC should start requesting alibis for Ohio members.

Sonny, did you leave your "castle" on or about the night of Jan 31^st.

(04-08-2011, 07:03 PM)concerned Wrote: Compassions for TW? Please, alot of people grew up abused and didnt let that stand in their way. This ho has three kids who she dont have. One on the way by a possible minor. Shes a drug addict, criminal, Gangbanger in more than one sense of the word. NO compassion here. For an abused child yes not a grown irresponsible adult. Woman like her have no business having children. I'd like my taxpayer dollars to fix my roads or to education not feeding and housing her sorry welfare ass!!


IN MY OPINION

I totally agree.

(04-08-2011, 07:31 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(04-08-2011, 07:23 PM)JsMom Wrote:

(04-08-2011, 05:20 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i get a lot of inside information from people via email.

Can you tell us if its more then one person LC?

i have always, from day one, thought it had to be more than one person. one person alone could not have controlled that situation, even with a gun. too much hands-on effort involved.

Yah Ive thought that as well from the beginning. I was just wondering if ur emails said there was more then one. Im hoping they catch these sick assholes soon! I just can not even imagine what these families are feeling! Id be on the edge of my seat daily! Thanks tho LC