I would love opinions as to [i]WHY/i]] Maytee said:
A. He might have been kidnapped.
B. He is in the basement tied up with towels.

and i would throw in total strangers unknown to anyone involved.
do not take that as a statement, i'm just adding to Wolf's list.

sorry, i just noticed you had random people in there. oops.

Post #14711 page 1051 Freshbait78 wrote;

Revisited your Timeline
1:28 a.m. Police arrive on scene. Number of cars? Stay how long?--- 4 units, stayed for approx 11 minutes
1:30 a.m. Tiffany and John Sr. arrive at Straubs'.
1:39 a.m. Police depart from the Straub residence
2:06 a.m. Maytee makes second call to 911. (Is she in the car?) --- Yes she is in the car.
2:10 a.m. Maytee arrives at Straubs'.
2:10 a.m. Police arrive at Straubs'. Stay how long? How many cars? 2 units, stay approx 36 minutes


The TV & lights were on when the Police arrived the first time - then when they arrived the second time the TV & lights were off - is this correct?
need this verified - how do we explain if this is correct the lights being off the second time? Tiffany was there with John Sr. what happened to them for approximately 27 to 32 minutes until Maytee and Police arrive? Did they cruise around the block a few times waiting on Maytee? or did they sit on the street? Who turned the lights off the second time?

I wonder if a timer like your TV sleep mode for 30 minutes was used before the killer/s left & a timer for lights - to make it all the more confusing how twisted. I think if John Sr. stayed at the house with Tiff he would have nailed the killer/s . IMO

I guess I forgot about your post Meth. We think alike.

Outside the box, what if JC was looking for the safe while LS was at work? He needed some money to pay someone back. So while LS was working he was looking for some money to pay these people off since LS was not there. He got desperate and began tearing the walls down because these people wanted there money. JC picks up LS and the time frame is too late, they kill them, and it's quick in and out!

(04-09-2011, 05:02 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Post #14711 page 1051 Freshbait78 wrote;

Revisited your Timeline
1:28 a.m. Police arrive on scene. Number of cars? Stay how long?--- 4 units, stayed for approx 11 minutes
1:30 a.m. Tiffany and John Sr. arrive at Straubs'.
1:39 a.m. Police depart from the Straub residence
2:06 a.m. Maytee makes second call to 911. (Is she in the car?) --- Yes she is in the car.
2:10 a.m. Maytee arrives at Straubs'.
2:10 a.m. Police arrive at Straubs'. Stay how long? How many cars? 2 units, stay approx 36 minutes


The TV & lights were on when the Police arrived the first time - then when they arrived the second time the TV & lights were off - is this correct?

I'm not sure if this is directed at me but IMO the lights were never turned off. According to a couple different posters who claim to have inside info, they were turned off. Why the killers would bother turning off lights & turning down or turning off the TV beofre they took off is beyond me & makes absolutely no sense.

I have nothing else to add. I'll be the 1^st to admit that I have tunnel vision & can't look outside of the box when I have all of these facts staring me in the face. I've hit a brick wall

(04-09-2011, 05:25 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(04-09-2011, 05:02 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Post #14711 page 1051 Freshbait78 wrote;

I'm not sure if this is directed at me but IMO the lights were never turned off. According to a couple different posters who claim to have inside info, they were turned off. Why the killers would bother turning off lights & turning down or turning off the TV beofre they took off is beyond me & makes absolutely no sense.

I have nothing else to add. I'll be the 1^st to admit that I have tunnel vision & can't look outside of the box when I have all of these facts staring me in the face. I've hit a brick wall

I totally agree, I do not think the thing about the lights being on then off is true, that makes no sense to do that, and Im also the same way I cant think out of the box when I have soo many facts and things that add up floating around right infront of me like that.. I dont think JOhnny set this up but I do think its strange that maytee would suggest him being kidnapped or something, but then like I said before I think she knows more than what she is telling...

They found some very common recreational drugs in both the victims system. Big deal, weed and opiates go hand in hand for plenty kids in there age group. That wasn't suprising at all, more like a given..If it was a rage jealous killing in would have been more bloody, knife or gun would of been used IMO. It was a robbery , the killers knew victims, wasnt random or professional. BTW could LE make it more of a reward, let's say 50,000 dollars, that might start more concrete leads.

Who said the lights and TV were on? And when? How would anyone that was not there that night know? Is it TW stating it? Maytee? LE? That is the only three possiblities, imo. So if anyone else is saying on then off it is not first hand knowledge. Who did they hear it from?

(04-09-2011, 05:53 PM)Sonny223 Wrote: It was a robbery, the killers knew the victims, it wasn't random or professional.

I agree.

(02-24-2011, 03:32 PM)lou1975 Wrote: I am so relieved that things are moving on in the investigation, I really cannot wait for him/her/them to be arrested.
I do live in the UK but this case has moved me and have shed a tear since it was mentioned that the rumour about Lisa was true. God rest her soul.

hello my fellow mocker I been a newbie for awhile..lol..so I wasnt able to read what was going on...lol..but anyways I was wondering if you could tell me what you were talking about with lisa ...?what was confirmed?

(04-09-2011, 06:02 PM)Adub Wrote: Who said the lights and TV were on? And when? How would anyone that was not there that night know? Is it TW stating it? Maytee? LE? That is the only three possiblities, imo. So if anyone else is saying on then off it is not first hand knowledge. Who did they hear it from?

From Fabulous post #14666

"so in regards to the timeline... I'm going to believe my source,who is LE, on this...which I think I've already posted at one time, but when the police arrived at the scene the first time there were lights on and a tv... nothing looked amiss. when the police arrived at the home a second time the tv was off...or at least LE couldn't hear it and the lights were mostly off, but the house did look different from the first call ...still nothing looked amiss, which is why they- THE POLICE- didn't kick in the door."

According to her, her source is LE.

Unknown was the 1^st to say the lights were on then off. I don't know who his source is.

(04-09-2011, 05:53 PM)Sonny223 Wrote: They found some very common recreational drugs in both the victims system. Big deal, weed and opiates go hand in hand for plenty kids in there age group. That wasn't suprising at all, more like a given..If it was a rage jealous killing in would have been more bloody, knife or gun would of been used IMO. It was a robbery , the killers knew victims, wasnt random or professional. BTW could LE make it more of a reward, let's say 50,000 dollars, that might start more concrete leads.

Sonny223, Maybe becoming pre euphoric is the norm before chillin with da friends LOL including TW although I pray not with her I would hate to see what that would do to an unborn. No! remember what AG told Maytee it was a coward that did this to Johnny and Lisa, could be Sonny223 a big sick coward who was sadistic and extremely cruel. Most robberies are quick in and quick out - this thing to me was not a robbery but, made to look like one by an inexperienced freak - far from normal and far from professional. $50,000 maybe if its more than one individual - but, if its a lone wolf here with a grudge no reward would matter. IMO

(04-09-2011, 06:20 PM)ALWAYSBITCHEN Wrote: I was wondering if you could tell me what you were talking about with lisa ...?what was confirmed?

I'm probably going to be the nicest person to say this to you but you quoted a post from February. It's now April. I would suggest you go back a couple pages before the post you quoted & read what everyone was talking about if you want to know what Lou meant when she wrote that. It sucks but you're going to have to read the whole thread from start to finish.

I don't know about anyone else but I get SO frustrated when I see pretty much everything from around page 500 to present has been questioned, yet it seems like new insight/info.

Ok make it 100,000 thousand then, at least it will probally get solved that way! Then once it does get solved if the person that gets the reward was involved in any way, keep all the money, and hang the bastards that did this from the Straubs trees!

it's true things get rehashed ad nauseam, because we have no new facts. i stated my opinion very early, before most of you joined Mock, and i haven't changed it. but i see no point in repeating myself again and again. i really am now at a point where i'm waiting for LE. it may be a long wait.

(04-09-2011, 06:21 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(04-09-2011, 06:02 PM)Adub Wrote: Who said the lights and TV were on? And when? How would anyone that was not there that night know? Is it TW stating it? Maytee? LE? That is the only three possiblities, imo. So if anyone else is saying on then off it is not first hand knowledge. Who did they hear it from?

From Fabulous post #14666

"so in regards to the timeline... I'm going to believe my source,who is LE, on this...which I think I've already posted at one time, but when the police arrived at the scene the first time there were lights on and a tv... nothing looked amiss. when the police arrived at the home a second time the tv was off...or at least LE couldn't hear it and the lights were mostly off, but the house did look different from the first call ...still nothing looked amiss, which is why they- THE POLICE- didn't kick in the door."

According to her, her source is LE.

Unknown was the 1^st to say the lights were on then off. I don't know who his source is.

Okay, for Unknown, did they here it from TW?, Maytee?, or the Straubs? Must have been the Straubs, imo. And the Straubs? Do they talk to TW?, Maytee? I don't think so. So it must have been what LE told the Straubs. Remember. LE was there each time.

(04-09-2011, 06:47 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: it's true things get rehashed ad nauseam, because we have no new facts. i stated my opinion very early, before most of you joined Mock, and i haven't changed it. but i see no point in repeating myself again and again. i really am now at a point where i'm waiting for LE. it may be a long wait.

Im beggining to reach that point as well... Its getting kind of old talking about the same thing over and over.. Im just gonna sit back and wait unless of course I see something interesting posted on here,lol...

This whole lights on/off thing is annoying me.

Lets get this straight. These people go to the Straubs, wreck the upstairs on a cold, winters night in the suburbs. It's quiet outside & no one hears anything. Of course this is noisy. You don't wreck shit quietly. But how do the killers know that no one could hear what was going on inside? OK on top of that they have a struggle downstairs, they bound & killed 2 people. I'm suppose to believe that they were there when TW came over & rang the door bell for 5 minutes & she leaves & they STAY? Not only do they stay for 30 minutes+ after she leaves but they stay after LE makes their 1^st appearance & THEN they turn off some lights & the TV (awfully nice of them) & leave within a small window of time between LE visits one & 2 (less then 30 minutes) & this is assuming that John Sr & TW left giving them the opportunity to leave. They were not concerned with being caught at all not after all the noise, not after Johnny & Lisas phones ringing off the hook, until they were smashed, not after 1 but 2 visits? & I assume the goal after commiting murder is not getting caught.

Maybe Johnny & Lisa had a DVD in & it ended at some course of the time that all of these visits were going on & that's why it appeared that the TV was shut off or turned down & maybe it didn't appear as bright on in the house because of that but there is no way that I believe the killers stuck around & turned off lights & shit before they left. BTW if J & L did have a DVD in IMO they had no intention of picking up TW that night.