IM going to say this... Do I think Maytee had something to do with Johnny's death, NO... DO I think she knows a little more, yes. Does she need to tell us, NO.. Do I think AG and TW did this, theres a strong possibility. DO I think they know who did this, probably so. DO I want to accuse people who MAY not be involved, no but at this moment they seem to be the only ones involved. Do I think Maytee pushed AG and TW on people by using FB, yes.. Do I think Lisa and Johnny were BAD people, NOT FOR A SECOND!.. Im confused about it all and Ill be the first to admit from the jump I thought TW and AG had something to do with it, but the more time goes by I have to admit, IM not sure because certain things dont add up.. I dont know if people in their area are saying they did because its the obvious and rumors are flying or because they may have actually done this, but I will say this.. IF THEY DID IT, THEY DIDNT DO IT ALONE, so why is no one elses name being brought in to this if sooooo many people are acting like they know TW and AG did it, then they should hear the talk of who else was involved.. IMO Thats something that has had me thinking, soooo many people have the inside scoop but then all u hear is AG AND TW what about the others who would of been involved how come you dont hear any other names? Like I said I dont think they pulled that off by themselves... Yes, we have the Alphabet soup but you dont see people bashing them on FB about it? Again, I do think AG and TW deff know more.. IM NOT SAYING THEY DIDNT DO IT, IMO I think they know WAY MORE...

Maytee:
Justice Will Prevail for Johnny and Lisa
God seen all your evil deeds that night you all did to johnny n lisa and he made sure law enforcement and us see it too thank you god for not allowing such evil get away with murder!!!!! You have answered our prayers we love you johnny n lisa i promised you justice prevails!!!!!!! Rest in heaven my sweet angels

(04-13-2011, 10:52 PM)pplrcrazy Wrote: I feel like you had a convo or a few with AG & you are really really reaching trying to find a way to prove his or TW's innocence & in the process you are trying to dirty up Johnnys name. Hey... I'm not faulting you, I'm not really emotionally invested in this BUT are you attempting to prove that Johnny is a "bad dude" by saying that the COURT recordes are wrong or may be wrong & that the right person didn't spend the correct time in jail? Are you saying that maybe JOHNNY was the one with the gun & one dude lied for him & the other dude took the rap for him & he's still in jail so that Johnny could be free? Is that it? Well........ in retrospect, I bet Maytee would much prefer to keep putting $400 on her sons books & know he's alive than to have him skate by on a charge he should have been convicted of & have him dead. However...... I don't believe that to be the case. I believe he was with a friend who robbed someone at gunpoint & because he was there & guilty by association, he did the time he should have & was attempting to do something with himself. Believe what you'd like though

NO what Im saying is NO ONE KNOWS THE TRUTH! Im saying that people lie and people drag others down.. I have only talked to AG on one occassion and like I said I DONT KNOW IF HE DID IT! Im saying that I just wanted to hear his side since all the info we get is from maytee or when maytee swears his name and he gets pissed off enough to write back.. Im not saying johhny was a bad person and I stated that above, what Im saying is not everything is clean cut and dry like said.. There was more evidence if he got convicted for a year other than just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, i do believe that.. but like I said im not trying to make anyone look bad, whenever anyone pass' away its like your not aloud to say negative shit that might be the truth or speculate on the possibilites that maybe things werent as they seemed.. Im just thinking out side the "box" like everyone was before.. If AG and TW did this shit then they will rot in hell.. I think the ghetto shit is disgusting and trashy point blank, but Im not getting anywhere constantly assuming its ag and tw what if its someone maytee owed money to for her "drugs" or what if it was someone johnny "snitched" on or whatever the case is.. I think TW had something to do with it though in a way because she keeps popping up shit like this, and AG would know if it is her and one thing that does stand out to me is that if he was 1 out of 28 that didnt snitch for the safe case then he is NOT going to snitch about this. Stop taking the shit im saying and twisting it around because you dont like how it sounds or because I have a different opinion..
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I'm not taking shit you say & twisting it babe. Read back on all of my posts & you will see I focus on FACTS. Now you say " what if its someone maytee owed money to for her "drugs" " where did that come from? Is that a fact? No it isn't that's speculation. Where am I getting my facts? I'm getting my facts from court documents, news paper articles & words coming straight from these peoples mouths. There is nothing saying that Maytee is still doing drugs, those are old convictions 10+ years ago if I'm not mistaken. Ya know people can change their ways & I think Maytee has gotten a bad rap because of her past which is unfortunate. She is a grieving mom but because she had a crappy past she's "unclassy" & doesn't deserve the same respect as the Straubs. Is her pain any different? Does the fact that she had a not so great past take away from her pain? I bet it doesn't I BET IT FUCKING ADDS TO IT, because she's lost out on time & she has to live with that. I bet she has so many regrets & missed opportunities & she has to live with that & I bet it eats at her & hurts her everyday. I'm so sick of people trashing Maytee. NEVER have I seen this. I believe a mom who partakes in their own childs death deserves it, a child that dies by their mothers own hands... yes, she deserves to be picked apart & treated like shit but there is NOTHING that says that Maytee participated in her sons death, yet people want to chew her up & spit her out. I could say some really shitty shit about the Straubs & my opinion on THEIR job as parents but I refrain, although difficult at times, because what's done is done & I feel bad for BOTH families. Not just one.

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I'm not taking shit you say & twisting it babe. Read back on all of my posts & you will see I focus on FACTS. Now you say " what if its someone maytee owed money to for her "drugs" " where did that come from? Is that a fact? No it isn't that's speculation. Where am I getting my facts? I'm getting my facts from court documents, news paper articles & words coming straight from these peoples mouths. There is nothing saying that Maytee is still doing drugs, those are old convictions 10+ years ago if I'm not mistaken. Ya know people can change their ways & I think Maytee has gotten a bad rap because of her past which is unfortunate. She is a grieving mom but because she had a crappy past she's "unclassy" & doesn't deserve the same respect as the Straubs. Is her pain any different? Does the fact that she had a not so great past take away from her pain? I bet it doesn't I BET IT FUCKING ADDS TO IT, because she's lost out on time & she has to live with that. I bet she has so many regrets & missed opportunities & she has to live with that & I bet it eats at her & hurts her everyday. I'm so sick of people trashing Maytee. NEVER have I seen this. I believe a mom who partakes in their own childs death deserves it, a child that dies by their mothers own hands... yes, she deserves to be picked apart & treated like shit but there is NOTHING that says that Maytee participated in her sons death, yet people want to chew her up & spit her out. I could say some really shitty shit about the Straubs & my opinion on THEIR job as parents but I refrain, although difficult at times, because what's done is done & I feel bad for BOTH families. Not just one.

ahhhhhh and again I will say I NEVER said maytee was a bad mother, Im sure she loves her son very very much.. What Im saying is, EVERYONE on here is in the dark about alot of things, so Im not going to go with just one thing that I hear or see, Im just throwing IDEAS and opinions out there.. I dont think she had anything to do with her sons death, but Im just saying we DONT know these people, any of the, atleast I dont anyways so Im just speculating like everyone else and saying different ideas and ways this could of happened, didnt someone mention a while ago to " look outside of the box, its not always the obvious" well thats what IM doing... I feel bad for Maytee, really bad.. I feel just at bad for her as I do the straubs. Yes, people do change but I dont know these people likeI I said before, so how am I suppose to know that?? Im just going off what I read and see and what people say, IM taking EVERYTHING into consideration and again I SAID EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION.... and actually you were twisting some of what I said because I stated very clearly that I wasnt trying to make johnny look like a bad guy and you said something to the affect that I was taking Johnnys name and putting dirt on it and that I was trying to make him out to be a "bad guy" and thats a shame because I wasnt trying to do that at all. I dont think he was a bad guy and I DONT think he deserved any of this shit that happened to him.

Hows everybody doing tonight?

(04-13-2011, 11:36 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: Hows everybody doing tonight?

Welcome, join the fun on mock tonight,lol..

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God seen all your evil deeds that night you all did to johnny n lisa and he made sure law enforcement and us see it too thank you god for not allowing such evil get away with murder!!!!! You have answered our prayers we love you johnny n lisa i promised you justice prevails!!!!!!! Rest in heaven my sweet angels
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Come on people, please go back and trim your quotes you have 15 min to do so after posting...I already feel like I'm in a cracked out version of Groundhog Day!!!

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is there some reason you can't just read the thread and keep up to find out? like everyone else? you do this frequently. are we supposed to summarize for you when you decide to pop in?




Noo. LC I do read up from where I left off, If you want the truth I do that because that's the only way (I have found) to get to the end of this thread. I will start posting something else. My god! I hope something breaks in this case ppl are getting soooo testy! lol

ANY felony committed with a firearm in the state of Ohio requires a MANDATORY 3 year sentence for a gun specification. This 3 years is over and above the sentence for the felony charge, robbery in this case.
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Here's how it really went. Originally Johnny "did" receive a 3-year sentence. However, with the help of his family all writing letters to the judge about him changing his lifesttyle and has found god...He was released after just a year. The day that Johnny got out-his mom and dad rented a hotel room and invited all of his friend thugs to come and celebrate his release. It was a night filled with heavy booze and dope. Johnny had been clean for a year until hours after he was release-thanks to the help of his loving parents. If he would have actually done the entire 3-years as he was sentenced: he would still be alive because he would be in prison. In Lucas county it is very easy to get an early release from a judge.

Everyone's been arrested, now we're just waiting for the trial to start. Duh, didn't you read the thread?
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I dont post much , but I have to say what I feel so here goes - I want SO BAD to believe TW had something to do with this but how does a " not so bright " hoodrat that has gotten pregnant by 4 different baby daddys , and doesn't have custody of any of those children ( except the one in the womb) set up a double homicide and not leave a trace of evidence behind ? I just don't understand how her or any of her smalltown hoodrats could commit a crime like this and not leave some kind of evidence . These people don't appear to have an ounce of intelligence . I don't think she has the " smarts" to do this .

(04-13-2011, 11:01 PM)Nina Wrote: BA: Dear Johnny;
Everytime I Needed Someone To Talk To U Dropped What U Were Doing To Talk To Me. U Were A Great Listener & U Always Had My Back. Now I Rele Need Someone To Talk To But The One Person Whos Suppose To Always Be There For Me Just Blew Me Off For A Game Of Pool. I Wish U Were Still Here, U Never Let Me Down. U Always Brightened Everyones Day & Now Ur Brightening Our Sky. Rest In Paradise♥

Nina Nina, My gosh! upon checking BA's FB - did you notice VD is no longer on her friends list & her page where it says "in a relationship" doesn't mention VD anymore and check her old FB page same story she has deleted him? VD was the last fellow to see Johnny before he got murdered as far as we know. Nina this guy VD was her babe! - and she was always talking about Johnny and she misses Johnny and he was dear to her - so have you got an opinion? Thanks for you good posting as always!!

Im wondering if Maytee isnt already a member of Mock that doesnt post, or has a friend that does, and reads everything we write via a friends acct...and has based her own opinion based or partially based on the work the mockers have done, and the things we have posted here....and that LE hasnt told her anything...its her own conclusion....and as for her silence....perhaps she has taken what weve posted here to heart about her rantings and shes finally able to see that we dont mean harm...that we want justice just like she does....

(04-14-2011, 12:54 AM)NightOwl Wrote:

(04-13-2011, 11:01 PM)Nina Wrote: BA: Dear Johnny;
Everytime I Needed Someone To Talk To U Dropped What U Were Doing To Talk To Me. U Were A Great Listener & U Always Had My Back. Now I Rele Need Someone To Talk To But The One Person Whos Suppose To Always Be There For Me Just Blew Me Off For A Game Of Pool. I Wish U Were Still Here, U Never Let Me Down. U Always Brightened Everyones Day & Now Ur Brightening Our Sky. Rest In Paradise♥

Nina Nina, My gosh! upon checking BA's FB - did you notice VD is no longer on her friends list & her page where it says "in a relationship" doesn't mention VD anymore and check her old FB page same story she has deleted him? VD was the last fellow to see Johnny before he got murdered as far as we know. Nina this guy VD was her babe! - and she was always talking about Johnny and she misses Johnny and he was dear to her - so have you got an opinion? Thanks for you good posting as always!!

perhaps they just broke up. Im a high school teacher, and thats the norm. Break up, delete from fb....

(04-14-2011, 12:40 AM)truth be told Wrote:

(04-13-2011, 10:50 PM)jenjen Wrote:

Here's how it really went. Originally Johnny "did" receive a 3-year sentence. However, with the help of his family all writing letters to the judge about him changing his lifesttyle and has found god...He was released after just a year. The day that Johnny got out-his mom and dad rented a hotel room and invited all of his friend thugs to come and celebrate his release. It was a night filled with heavy booze and dope. Johnny had been clean for a year until hours after he was release-thanks to the help of his loving parents. If he would have actually done the entire 3-years as he was sentenced: he would still be alive because he would be in prison. In Lucas county it is very easy to get an early release from a judge.

well isnt that just lovely.
why would parents DO that?
thats a mentality I just dont understand.

(04-13-2011, 11:41 PM)pplrcrazy Wrote:

(04-13-2011, 11:36 PM)SayWhat123 Wrote: Hows everybody doing tonight?

Welcome, join the fun on mock tonight,lol..

pplrcrazy, LOL I was gone for awhile this evening and what a debate that took place you did a great job! along with Freshbait78 and Nina
I certainly enjoyed all your opinions and it was Fun. Thanks!

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VD was her babe! - and she was always talking about Johnny and she misses Johnny and he was dear to her - so have you got an opinion? Thanks for you good posting as always!!

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You know, out of all the alphabet gang, he is the one I think looks most dangerous- of course that means nothing, but his pic gives me the creeps!

Does anyone know if VD's Facebook page has been completely deleted? Can't find his page anywhere.

Snoopy, Very interesting what you had to say about VD.

You know what initially attracted me to this case? It wasn't what they looked like, it wasn't the manner in which they were killed, it wasn't that they were young & it wasn't even that I live less than 3 miles from the Straub residence........ It was TW. Honestly. When I heard on the news & read in the paper that Johnny was on the phone with a friend who heard X, Y & Z at 11pm & then called his mom at 1am, my ears perked up & my gut told me something is not right with this & that is when I started looking deeper & eventually ran across a comment left by LC in a Toledo Blade article which brought me here.

From day one I have felt that TW was in some way shape or form involved & the things I have read from her peers & the things I have read from her OWN mouth more importantly have only solidified my opinion. The pictures I have viewed also help. It has been hard at times to defend Maytee & I think there has only been one time that I have swayed from defending her but the reason why I keep my original opinion apart from being loyal to a fault, is because I have felt that she has been the underdog. She's a minority, with a bad past & a record who lives in a lower income area. She is the complete opposite of the Straubs, white, no record ever, middle class. It bothers me to see some people attempt to diminish her pain because of her past or who she is as an individual when there has been absolutely ZERO proof that she had anything to do with her sons murder. It's been hard to watch people nit pick at everything she says & then watch Maytee in the midst of her grief attempt to defend herself & her family. It's been hard to see people type that LS came from a "classy" home, which I guess means JC came from a "unclassy" one. But we all see that no matter if you come from classy or unclassy, murders happen. I feel like it's been really unfair to the Clarkes side.

I feel like I've said all that I can say & at this point I feel like I'm just repeating myself over & over again. On that note, I hate to be the person who sounds like the whiney bitch stomping my feet, taking my ball & going home lol but that's kinda what I'm doing. I'll be back to post when a arrest is made but until them I have nothing new to contribute. My original thoughts on this case have, for the most part, not changed. I've enjoyed everyones commentary... yes even those I have not agreed with. I think it's interesting to see how different people interpret the same events at the very least. On that note, hope to be back sooner rather than later Mockers