(05-28-2011, 09:51 AM)Still Waters Wrote: From what I have seen I think the widow and her son are going to be well compensated for the killing of her husband and the boys father just like Randy Weaver of Ruby Ridge Idaho was.

Doubtful..Ruby Ridge was a complete fuck-up.

you don't get it OP. if a person is in firing position with a rifle aimed at you, you are a nazi if you shoot him.

the police-hater's, conspiracy-theorist's response to all things related to the police: nazi. nazi. nazi. nazi. nazi. nazi. nazi nazi. nazi. nazi. nazi. nazi. nazi. nazi. nazi. nazi. nazi. nazi



and furthermore, nazi! take that you nazi swine!

I would like to see if those who second guess the police in circumstances such as this would feel like their life was threatened to enter a place and see and hear those same events in person, I wonder if they would think that they came within an inch of having their life taken?

sometimes three degree's of seperation make things impossible for a person to judge exactly what the reality is.

There was a 4 year old child in that home! 70 shots were fired. I call that child endangerment.

So, you would expect the SWAT team to kindly ask the person that's holding a weapon if there's a child in the house?

"Sir, we realize your holding a rifle, but if there's a child in the house, we'll all kindly lay our guns down, and allow you to do what you want"

(05-28-2011, 12:12 PM)Still Waters Wrote: There was a 4 year old child in that home! 70 shots were fired. I call that child endangerment.

I agree the father was endangering his child by pointing a gun at the swat team.

How anyone can see armed men in uniform approaching their house and not think "armed police better get my hands up where they can see them" is fucking beyond me.

Who the fuck did he think they were ninjas?

This is just more anti cop shite from shitstorm.

The police did a poor job of identifying themselves. The video shows that. He could have very well thought he was protecting his family from thieves, not the police.

Yeah right, thieves who knock first dressed as SWAT.

You are talking shit moron.

the person obviously knew that someone was there and had time enough to arm himself everyone in line yelling police should have been a pretty good hint as to who it was.

This is what happens when someone posts that doesn't even know what SWAT means.

by Robert Anglen - Jun. 15, 2011 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic
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Two years before a former Marine was shot 22 times by a SWAT team during a May search of his Tucson home, he was arrested on drug and weapons charges and became the focus of multiple investigations.

Jose Guerena, 26, had been arrested on five felony counts and was "a person of interest" in a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement investigation of a marijuana-distribution ring, newly released documents show.

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The affidavit also reported that Guerena was the registered owner of six vehicles with a combined value of at least $105,385.



The Full Article can be read here:


http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2...a0615.html

Soooo, maybe "innocent" was the wrong word for the OP to use.

Murders was definitely the wrong word.

The five SWAT officers who shot and killed 26-year-old Jose Guerena while serving a search warrant May 5 have been cleared of any wrongdoing.

The Pima County Regional SWAT team members -from four law enforcement agencies in the county - were justified in using deadly force against Guerena, according to an investigation by the Pima County Attorney's Office.
Chief Criminal Deputy David Berkman determined there is no basis on which to prosecute those officers.

The officers shot at Guerena 71 times while serving a search warrant related to a drug-trafficking investigation, documents show.

Fewer than a third of those shots hit Guerena, leaving 49 rounds passing through walls and some hitting nearby homes, according to reports released by the department.

Guerena was struck 22 times, 18 of those on his extremities.

The report showed the shots entered Guerena's body through the front, meaning he was facing officers when he was shot, Berkman wrote in the letter to Sheriff Clarence Dupnik Monday.

A close examination of the AR-15 rifle Guerena was holding at the time he was shot revealed that the bullet damage was done at an angle that indicated Guerena was pointing it at the officers, Berkman wrote in the letter.

Guerena was at his home in the 7100 block of South Redwater Drive with his wife and their 4-year-old son at about 9:30 a.m. when the SWAT team arrived.

SWAT officers turned the sirens on for about seven seconds when they approached the southwest-side house and knocked on the front door three times, announcing themselves for 15 seconds, a video released by the Sheriff's Department revealed.

Guerena was at the end of a hallway holding a rifle when officers began shooting at him, SWAT officers said in narrative reports of the raid.

Guerena did not shoot, and his AR-15 rifle had the safety on and a round in the chamber when he was killed, sheriff's officials said.

"The officers were mistaken in believing that Mr. Guerena fired at them," Berkman wrote. "However, when Mr. Guerena raised the AR-15 semiautomatic assault rifle in their direction, they needed to take immediate action to stop the deadly threat against them."

Officer Garcia was the first to shoot after "fearing for his life," Berkman said in his findings, and that first shot produced a muzzle flash that other officers thought was a muzzle flash coming in the opposite direction.

Officer Iglesias then slipped and fell backward, which the other officers mistook as a fall after being shot, Berkman wrote.

A call to Christopher Scileppi, an attorney representing Guerena's family, was not returned Monday.


booking photo of his arrest on drug and weapons charges, that were later dropped.

Yeah, don't point guns at armed police being the moral of this story.

I thought the SWAT team was considered to be elite. Sounds like they need to get some practice in if they had that much difficulty hitting the target.

Given the rounds that were hitting nearby homes I suppose the death of an innocent person would have been considered collateral damage.

I figure that the entry team had a couple of women on it, you know how it is when women get all emotional and shit, they will shoot the shit out of everything.

Can you read my mind?

(06-16-2011, 11:07 AM)IMaDick Wrote: I figure that the entry team had a couple of women on it, you know how it is when women get all emotional and shit, they will shoot the shit out of everything.

(06-16-2011, 11:07 AM)IMaDick Wrote: I figure that the entry team had a couple of women on it, you know how it is when women get all emotional and shit, they will shoot the shit out of everything.

Yes, history shows women head to the nearest clocktower when they get pissed. Wait...