(08-28-2011, 05:57 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(08-28-2011, 12:40 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: These courses focus on how to never leave your child alone with anyone other than a family member

That's bullshit & I would never support anything like that.

I rethought this statement last night after posting. I was the on-call designated driver and jacked up on coffee. I agree that this statement is STUPID Certainly there are people who you know you can trust alone with your child and who aren't your family. And, conversely, I agree with Cracker, that sometimes you can't trust everyone in your family alone with your child.

I still think it's possible to do something that might help. I am talking about cases where complete ignorance led to the harm of a child, not drugged out parents and monsters who could care less about their children. When it comes to with whom you trust your children alone, perhaps it might help to at least talk to new mothers/families about how to be cautious and check out new love interests and friends, the boy scout leader or pastor who is anxious to mentor your son and wants to take him on camping trips alone, the coach who keeps visiting your child at home when parents are at work, etc...

In the example that started this thread, we don't know about the parents, but we can see the suspect is a derelict, at least I can. We know the mom called police when she learned of the assault and pressed charges. So, for the sake or argument, I'm assuming for whatever reason, the parents trusted this man to have their child sleepover and wish they had known better. This story and the one about the raping pediatrician, who must have gotten the parents to leave their children alone with him (but certainly the parents did not expect their children to be raped) set me off. What, if anything, can be done to heighten awareness for dimwitted or overly trusting parents?

I know there are baby books and parenting classes available, but that takes initiative. Sadly, the parents we're targeting don't likely have it. But, if you have a retired LE officers or someone who has worked a lot with crimes against child available at selected hospitals, it might be effective for some families. The children's advocate would have a good chance of getting mom and some of the other people who will be caring for the child together in one place at the hospital. Even those who would normally not make the time to get educated might be talked out of the hospital hallway and into the room. It can't hurt and might help to talk to them about not leaving children alone in the doctor's office, not leaving the child alone in a locked car, the impacts shaking can have a small child's body, what can happen when you let toddlers ride their trikes without parental supervision even on their own blocks, etc...

Right now, we have a reactive system. LE and DCS/CPS get involved after a problem arises. I think there could be merit to at least trying to impact some ignorant new parents before a problem arises. Volunteers can be used and it could be a very low cost program. Officer Bob goes to the elementary schools and talks to classes about inappropriate touching, avoiding rides with strangers, how to call for help, etc... Why not start earlier and at least reach out to mom about inherent dangers to children and how to avoid them? Leave mom with a folder of information containing how to run a free background check, emergency personnel numbers, a list of things "to do" and "not to do" in relation to children's safety...

I'm being optimistic and trying to think of some way that won't burden the existing system but could help prevent more children from being hurt due to total lack of awareness. I don't believe that "nothing can be done" is valid. Nothing can be accomplished if no effort is made, that's true. "You can't fix stupid" is true, but you can minimize ignorance through education.

While it would be most effective to make some kind of child awareness training mandatory imo, I do agree that it's not worth infringing on the family's freedom of choice. The course should instead be recommended and accessible.

I know and understand that some may feel it's useless to explore these types of options and I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. But, did want to respond to feedback and will keep talking to some friends in local government about the viability of a volunteer program and funding options (fully expecting to be shot down, but who knows?).

I look at that man & I wouldn't even want him on my property let alone in possession of a loved one. People don't need classes, they need common sense.

(08-28-2011, 04:46 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I look at that man & I wouldn't even want him on my property let alone in possession of a loved one. People don't need classes, they need common sense.

I don't disagree. But, what about the raping pediatrician and the raping priests? The suspect in the example is extreme, many predators do not immediately send off warning bells, so parental awareness is required. Did the parents taking their children to the doctor or allowing their religious adviser to stay the night not have common sense leaving their children with people of trusted positions? Or, were they ignorant and overly trusting (or both)?

(08-28-2011, 04:46 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I look at that man & I wouldn't even want him on my property let alone in possession of a loved one. People don't need classes, they need common sense.

People don't need classes, they need glasses. haha

(08-28-2011, 05:06 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: what about the raping pediatrician and the raping priests? The suspect in the example is extreme, many predators do not immediately send off warning bells, so parental awareness is required. Did the parents taking their children to the doctor or allowing their religious adviser to stay the night not have common sense leaving their children with people of trusted positions?

I don't have children & some Mockers don't like it when I involve myself in these types of discussions because of that....When a kid is of the age that it's still seeing a pediatrician the parent should be with it, it's that simple.

I would question ANY religious adviser that needed to spend the night, that just sounds bizarre and should immediately raise suspicions.

Sometimes it appears to me like I put more thought into the vet I choose for my pets than parents think about the people they allow around their children. People are dumb & others will make excuses for that, I don't. I seriously cannot stand how stupid people can be & then when confronted with a crisis will stand and cry that they didn't know. I have no sympathy for the stupid.

(08-28-2011, 05:30 PM)Cracker Wrote:

(08-28-2011, 04:46 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I look at that man & I wouldn't even want him on my property let alone in possession of a loved one. People don't need classes, they need common sense.

People don't need classes, they need glasses. haha

Classes, glasses, pull their heads out of their asses. All possible ways to help solve the problem.

Duchess: I don't have children either, but I raised my niece and nephew for 6 years. Even if I hadn't, I don't agree that people shouldn't weigh in on parent issues if they are not parents. We all have parents, we've all been children, most of us are keenly aware and concerned about crimes against children... Everyone's opinion counts equally on this one, imo.

Many times the parents are stupid,evil and indifferent. They hurt their own children. Can't make much headway with that, sadly. But, I do see a lot of stories where parents who obviously love their child make really naive or uninformed decisions that cause the child's death or harm. These parents are ignorant, but not necessarily stupid. Maybe increased awareness can help prevent some of these types of cases. Maybe.

Toddler Trapped after Suspected Drag Racing Crash



CLARKSVILLE, Tenn.- A frightening crash in the mid-state Sunday ended with an upside down vehicle and a 2-year-old stuck in the rubble. Investigators say it looks like the driver had been drag racing with a 2-year-old girl in the back seat.

Witnesses told investigators two cars were drag racing down Tiny Town Road in Clarksville around 9:00 Sunday morning when things went terribly wrong. Witnesses say the 24-year-old male driver of the Honda swerved, lost control, and then crashed into a pole after the other vehicle drifted into his lane.

It took emergency responders nearly an hour to free the 2-year-old girl. She was taken to the hospital along with the driver and other passenger. None of their injuries appear to be serious.

Investigators are looking for other witnesses and the other driver. They say the red car may have been a Mazda, possibly 90s model. It had a decal on the rear of the vehicle that said, "Zoom Zoom."

Call Clarksville police if you can help.

Link~
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/153487...cing-crash

Stupidity should physically hurt for two reasons.

Retards like those parents would actually know something was wrong with leaving your son with a fucking freak and dick would be in agony all day everyday.

(08-29-2011, 11:06 AM)White Pud Wrote: Stupidity should physically hurt for two reasons.

Retards or those previously judged to be mentally ill like those parents and me would actually know something was wrong with leaving your Their son with a fucking freak and dick would be in agony all day everyday if there was any justice in the world. But we all know there is not, so here I sit in my delusional mentally fucked up state while Dick has everything going for him, could the world be more fucked up?

I fixed all the little things ,straightened out your grammar, and completed the thoughts that you just couldn't bring yourself to the point of verbalizing. I'm just nice like that.

(08-29-2011, 11:45 AM)IMaDick Wrote:

(08-29-2011, 11:06 AM)White Pud Wrote: Stupidity should physically hurt for two reasons.

Retards or those previously judged to be mentally ill like those parents and me would actually know something was wrong with leaving your Their son with a fucking freak and dick would be in agony all day everyday if there was any justice in the world. But we all know there is not, so here I sit in my delusional mentally fucked up state while Dick has everything going for him, could the world be more fucked up?

I fixed all the little things ,straightened out your grammar, and completed the thoughts that you just couldn't bring yourself to the point of verbalizing. I'm just nice like that.

Like I said, thick as two short planks and incapable of normal conversation.

You really are a tragic little excuse for a man dick.

(08-29-2011, 12:20 PM)White Pud Wrote:

(08-29-2011, 11:45 AM)IMaDick Wrote:

(08-29-2011, 11:06 AM)White Pud Wrote: Stupidity should physically hurt for two reasons.

Retards or those previously judged to be mentally ill like those parents and me would actually know something was wrong with leaving your Their son with a fucking freak and dick would be in agony all day everyday if there was any justice in the world. But we all know there is not, so here I sit in my delusional mentally fucked up state while Dick has everything going for him, could the world be more fucked up?

I fixed all the little things ,straightened out your grammar, and completed the thoughts that you just couldn't bring yourself to the point of verbalizing. I'm just nice like that.

Like I said, thick as two short planks and incapable of normal conversation.

You really are a tragic little excuse for a man dick.

life is passing you by. it has to, it can't sit and wait for your delusion to end just so you can get on board.

Still delusional about my delusions I see dicky boy.

(08-29-2011, 12:35 PM)White Pud Wrote: Still delusional about my delusions I see dicky boy.

admission of the problem is the first step to dealing with it. I'm glad to see you have finally admitted to the delusions.

Stupidity Should hurt, for a lot of reasons.
Basically what these "Classes" being talked about are decision making classes, Common Sense.
The problem is you can't simply Teach common sence in a series of 1 hour classes on Thursday night
Common sense is aquired through years of trial and error and constant tutelage(sp) from parents, family members, teachers and society.
How many people do you know around you that you concider Stupid and lacking any common sense? Many I suspect.
These are the same people you went to school and church with when you were growing up and aquireing your common sence, what makes you think that a class now would make any difference?
Common sense is the thing that keeps you from leaving your kid in the car on a hot day, and from sending them off with someone that looks like a perv, or even a stranger who could be an undercover perv.
Somehow in this world I got some of it and it sounds like most of you did too, and thank god, but you can't teach it.
About all you can do is take care of your own, and when you see it out there call out the offending Stupid parent. If you see something, do something.
JMHO, YMMV

(08-27-2011, 09:14 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:
Would you leave your child in the care of this winner?

Some poor 14 year old boy has parents moronic enough to consider this upstanding gentleman their friend. A friend who is fit to host sleep overs with their son.

What do you know? Poor kid is forced to watch porn movies all night while mom and dad's friend masturbates non-stop. Later, the dirt-bag sexually assaults the boy twice in his bed.

I don't know...he sure is a good looking dude. That wasn't funny, (sorry), what an awful horrible tragedy. Just disgusting.

Police and doctors have confirmed the boy's claims and arrested the child rapist.

Reference: http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/...accuse.php

It appears the parents considered this degenerate a friend and did not fear leaving the child with him. When mom found out what went down at the sleepover, she reported it to the police. Admittedly, for all we know, the parents love their son and are just completely fucking clueless.

But, come on. The fact that this boy was left in the care of this dude is just not okay. Not a crime, and not necessarily neglect if the parents trusted this guy and had no idea. I don't think the automatic answer is removing the boy from his parents unless there are indicators that he is unloved, abused or otherwise neglected. Getting thrown into the DCS/CPS system can sometimes be be worse than the problem it's intended to alleviate, imo.

Question Is: What, if anything, can/should be done about this seemingly growing epidemic of shit-for-brains parents (without inflicting more pain on the children?).

how disassociated as a non-tard parent/guardian do you have to be to be unaware of the risks of leaving a child alone with anyone other than your family?

We bitch about the problem of child predators every damn day. Justifiably so. It's not going away. What are some possible solutions?


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sometimes family is the worst option. my parents left me with all types of folks and the biggest perv was my uncle.

(08-29-2011, 12:41 PM)IMaDick Wrote: admission of the problem is the first step to dealing with it. I'm glad to see you have finally admitted to the delusions.

Delusions that no longer exist anywhere outside your walnut of a brain homeboy.

(08-28-2011, 05:34 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(08-28-2011, 05:06 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: what about the raping pediatrician and the raping priests? The suspect in the example is extreme, many predators do not immediately send off warning bells, so parental awareness is required. Did the parents taking their children to the doctor or allowing their religious adviser to stay the night not have common sense leaving their children with people of trusted positions?

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I have never heard of the raping pediatrician...is that story on Mock?

post #3 here Mickey:

http://mockforums.net/thread-6401.html?h...+sentenced

Thanks LC for sharing the link.....sick bastards out there!