(09-23-2011, 11:03 PM)Adub Wrote: Gawd, I would really like to see Lisa's mom and dad. Now's the time, imo. And Uncle Jim needs to get the twinkle out of his eyes.
And Maytee sounds as fake as ever (sob sob sob). Guess John Sr was a no show? Or maybe he didn't make it past dress code nazis at the front door? Like shirts required?

I have to agree about Lisa's uncle, I noticed in one of the interviews posted recently on here that he almost has a smile at the first part of the interview, I noticed it right away.. I'm not saying Johnny's mother is not upset but yet she does seem to be fake crying very much, I don't think I seen one tear other than the part where she is crying about how much she hates Samuel Williams at the end of the court hearing.. I have never seen something like this before. I hope we hear from the police soon with some more arrest's because I too, don't think this fool acted alone...

I have something else to add that bothered me alot actually, why the hell did her ass take that poor little boy to court with her is beyond me? I coulnd't believe that when I saw the pictures and videos posted, I would never take a child to something so emotional like that, she is making him grow up to fast, this is not something a child his age should have to endure. I understand his brother was murdered but come on, that child has heard and seen enough of what has gone on, I don't think he needs to be sitting in the damn court room and able to see his brothers killer like that...

I agree! That was the first thing to come to my mind.I wonder if he's going to accompany her every time she goes to court. At the very least, that seems like a case of emotional child abuse.

(09-23-2011, 07:51 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: this is sam williams FB. sosa his street name.
you may post photos etc. but not of his child please.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Sammy-Sos...1730131355

This facebook says that he went to Clay high school, but the WTOL story says he went to Waite. (Both of those schools have a... err.. poor reputation in Toledo.)
"Those who know him say Williams grew up in East Toledo and attended Waite High School."

What do you think of this? Wrong facebook, or inaccurate news info?
If this is his facebook, I have a mutual facebook friend with him. A girl I work with. I can't wait to ask her about him.
I only ask if it's really his facebook because the guy in the picture looks much smaller than the other pictures of Samuel Williams.

(09-24-2011, 12:16 AM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: I agree! That was the first thing to come to my mind.I wonder if he's going to accompany her every time she goes to court. At the very least, that seems like a case of emotional child abuse.

I agree, I just think that poor child has been through enough, he shouldn't be taken in to a court room, he has already lost alot of his youth because of this tragedy in his life, he will never forget any of this, and he it will affect him when he gets older and by putting him through more and more everyday is only making it worse. I understand how bad this is for the family and friends, but someone has got to make this childs life as normal as possible given the situation and thats supposed to be the parent's job, to take all of the burden and evil and put it on them selves as long as that child doesn't have to endure more than he should.. He's going to be a very angry adult if it doesn't stop.

ah, disregard my last post. i just talked to our mutual friend, and she clarified that it is him, that he went to both waite and clay at different points in his high school years. she told me she used to buy weed from him.
how am i not surprised?

(09-24-2011, 01:06 AM)allieayy Wrote: ah, disregard my last post. i just talked to our mutual friend, and she clarified that it is him, that he went to both waite and clay at different points in his high school years. she told me she used to buy weed from him.
how am i not surprised?

Good work! can you find out if your friend purchased pills from him? Thanks!

People lie on FB.... And Clay and Waite are both 'east side' schools...ones just an east side suburb school

Thank you to those that have posted that are able to provide background info etc (those that know this pissant)...
Its always interesting to know the background details.
Anyone know anything about his life, his childhood, what he was like in school (hs and college)...
Ive been reading on the abc website...seems his family is very defensive about him not being guilty of
the murders, only connected to them.
For fucks sake. If that is the case, what kind of lowlife just stands there and does nothing and says nothing.
Fuck him. Let his ass fry either way.

(09-24-2011, 01:11 AM)NightOwl Wrote: Good work! can you find out if your friend purchased pills from him? Thanks!

way to spot possible connections
that didn't occur to me

(09-24-2011, 12:16 AM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: I agree! That was the first thing to come to my mind.I wonder if he's going to accompany her every time she goes to court. At the very least, that seems like a case of emotional child abuse.

i don't know if the boy is emotionally equipped to understand a full-blown murder trial, or if he should be in court when it goes to trial. very disturbing things will come out, and not just about williams. court can be a civic lesson or a horror show like the Petit murders trials.
but this boy has lived with allegedly criminal parents, voodoo hoodoo all mixed up with 'religion' and Jesus, a nutjob deranged lying mother, hysteria, grave worship and the awful murder of his brother. maybe a courtroom would show him some sanity in a sea of dysfunction.

there is a presumption of innocence in that courtroom, nobody will be baying like hounds for blood or spewing hatred and death.



note: i am a firm believer in the death penalty. if williams is guilty, so be it. but i believe in our system of justice too, even when abortions on Lady Justice occur like casey anthony. that was the perfect storm of vicious lying parties including an unethical defense, and 12 complete morons on a jury.

(09-24-2011, 01:57 AM)fabulous Wrote: People lie on FB.... And Clay and Waite are both 'east side' schools...ones just an east side suburb school

yeah, i'm aware about the schools.
and like i said, disregard my last post.

I had a really long response to some of the questions that I'm going to have to start again. I had to help someone fix a flat tire.
I'm in shock & awe over all the developments in this case. I came here in the beginning to read what ever information. Never in a million years would I of thought I would of known the MURDER.
I have a connection thur his ex. All I have to say about that is she totally needs a check up from the head up. He beat her! How could she think he is INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN GUILTY. She should be thanking God she got out with her life and that she doesn't have to worry about her son going with the Killer every other weekend. And wonder if he is safe.
SMH

(09-24-2011, 01:59 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: Ive been reading on the abc website...seems his family is very defensive about him not being guilty of
the murders, only connected to them.
For fucks sake. If that is the case, what kind of lowlife just stands there and does nothing and says nothing.
Fuck him. Let his ass fry either way.

I agree! anyone involved in this crime in anyway, deserves to fry. And that 5 million dollar bond tells me the cops know more about his involvement in this crime than the family knows. I do believe all should be considered innocent until proven guilty- and my mind remains open regarding this mans guilt. Still, it cannot be ignored that some evidence must exist, that led to the arrest of this man and it was significant enough to put a 5 million dollar bond on his head. This is more than idle street chatter among the locals that brought about his arrest. I wonder how his family would know that he is only "connected to the murders" but not guilty. This implies that they knew who did this all along and the extent of this man's involvement with those people, or it implies he admitted as much to them that he is connected in this. I cannot accept that anyone "connected" to this crime is not guilty of breaking the law. Just my opinion and just saying..

(09-24-2011, 01:35 PM)Snoopy Wrote:

(09-24-2011, 01:59 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: Ive been reading on the abc website...seems his family is very defensive about him not being guilty of
the murders, only connected to them.
For fucks sake. If that is the case, what kind of lowlife just stands there and does nothing and says nothing.
Fuck him. Let his ass fry either way.

I agree! anyone involved in this crime in anyway, deserves to fry. And that 5 million dollar bond tells me the cops know more about his involvement in this crime than the family knows. I do believe all should be considered innocent until proven guilty- and my mind remains open regarding this mans guilt. Still, it cannot be ignored that some evidence must exist, that led to the arrest of this man and it was significant enough to put a 5 million dollar bond on his head. This is more than idle street chatter among the locals that brought about his arrest. I wonder how his family would know that he is only "connected to the murders" but not guilty. This implies that they knew who did this all along and the extent of this man's involvement with those people, or it implies he admitted as much to them that he is connected in this. I cannot accept that anyone "connected" to this crime is not guilty of breaking the law. Just my opinion and just saying..

I don't think he told anyone I would know. I hope not. From what she and her friends put on facebook they were just "speechless" however, they are all not right in the head trying to get him a "good lawyer" I wish someone would say what the connection is. There has to be one. They are not saying anything about he doesn't even know them. I'm with everyone else here. I still think there is some connection to TW.
If there is any update that I read with the FB updates I will let you all know.
I seem to be on the same page as the rest of the members here.

to add to my comments about the minor child of maytee attending court (post#1160)
this case will likely go to Grand Jury for indictment and be transferred to the Common Pleas Court of Lucas County.
in that event, no minor child will be allowed into the proceedings.

(09-24-2011, 03:58 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: to add to my comments about the minor child of maytee attending court (post#1160)
this case will likely go to Grand Jury for indictment and be transferred to the Common Pleas Court of Lucas County.
in that event, no minor child will be allowed into the proceedings.

I'm happy to hear that.. I don't think that is a place for any child. Do you think this will be broadcasted on tv?

IF it goes to trial (no plea agreement) it would depend on whether Court TV is interested and whether the Judge would allow it. it's always up to the Judge to allow cameras in courtroom, or not.

(09-24-2011, 01:23 PM)lucimhome Wrote: I have a connection thur his ex. All I have to say about that is she totally needs a check up from the head up. He beat her! How could she think he is INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN GUILTY. She should be thanking God she got out with her life and that she doesn't have to worry about her son going with the Killer every other weekend. And wonder if he is safe.
SMH

lucimhome, I've been reading all your posts - many of us are wondering who he is, how is he connected and why? I thought the Sheriff of Lucas County was going to hold a press conference nothing so far also other arrests are possible. There seems to be a lot of uncertainty, this Williams fellow is "innocent until proven guilty",even the ex-wifey is ranting on about it. You mentioned Williams isn't too smart, well if he is a bit of a galoot maybe he drove the get-a-way car type thing, exactly how is this fellow connected yet no one knows. You mentioned his weight in an earlier post was he using body building steriods muscle milk LOL Thanks for your posts!

a heads up to all you members ...since the media has named williams' ex-wife it will be OK to post her facebook comments here. and to post a link. especially since evidently it is public. fair game.
no names of minors.