good point adub.

(10-19-2011, 12:13 PM)sharit Wrote: good point adub.

And just to add to it, I do not believe that Johnny had just that week went to stay at Longacre. He had been there for well over a month. Plenty of time for the word to get around, especially if Johnny was continuing his dealings out of the Straub home.

(10-19-2011, 07:13 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: this is MOCK. get it? MOCK. if i wish to sneer at illiterate hoodrats i will do so.

i am going to rub their noses in their abject stupidity. furthermore, i place no credence on anything someone with the IQ of a turnip has to say. i don't CARE what they have to say.

i am fucking well ridiculing imbeciles. and i know people for whom English is a second language who DON'T speak and write like mentally defective gutter trash. i'd have some respect for a cogent coherent argument/opinion.

Language is the dress of thought. - Samuel Johnson

Get it . . . Mocktards?

Johnny could have sold sw & cameo guys some bad weed...samual wms and cameo dude go to longacre just to buy some weed...(there were scales/baggies on countertop...i wouldn't think a buyer would take those, common sense says dealer would be the one with those. these hoodlums/thugs/physcos/robbers/criminals go over there simply to buy it (were never at party as they were too tough for Lisa/Johnny's crowd...they are just acquaintences of a friend of a friend of a friend....j/L didn't even know them that well or how rough they were...sw & cameo guys get home smoke the weed...like smokin' dirt...they are pisst and go back over there...johnny's protecting his lady and things go south fast. this of course is total speculation. yes was robbery but they were also pisssst wouldn't ya think? LC, would you think this is what police refer to as "this was personal..." or is it just that they were just robbers and had no conscience...what is your opinion LC?

(10-19-2011, 12:10 PM)Adub Wrote:

(10-19-2011, 10:56 AM)sharit Wrote: Do not see how the 2 arrested would know lisas parents were gone and they were alone. sam and cameo would not of had that information. Who set those kids up? thats the arrest i want to see most! I want to see more arrests.

I believe there are more also, but who's to say that Williams and Pettaway had not heard that Johnny was staying on Longacre.

Probably more involved and just because someone didn't actually participate in the murders doesn't get them off the hook.
It's possible Sam and Cameos first time at Longacre was on the night of the murders. Anyone can go to the county website,enter someones last name an retrieve a diagram of their home showing entrances and the layout.
And I know that TW said that while she was on the phone someone came to the door. Do we know that as a fact.? She was on the phone with Johnny, she wasn't there.
Sam and Cameo may have been waiting and hiding in the home when Lisa and Johnny arrived. It's possible.
And if they weren't hiding in the home and he did open the door was he was expecting them ?

(10-19-2011, 01:06 PM)pspence Wrote: Johnny could have sold sw & cameo guys some bad weed...samual wms and cameo dude go to longacre just to buy some weed...(there were scales/baggies on countertop...i wouldn't think a buyer would take those, common sense says dealer would be the one with those. these hoodlums/thugs/physcos/robbers/criminals go over there simply to buy it (were never at party as they were too tough for Lisa/Johnny's crowd...they are just acquaintences of a friend of a friend of a friend....j/L didn't even know them that well or how rough they were...sw & cameo guys get home smoke the weed...like smokin' dirt...they are pisst and go back over there...johnny's protecting his lady and things go south fast. this of course is total speculation. yes was robbery but they were also pisssst wouldn't ya think? LC, would you think this is what police refer to as "this was personal..." or is it just that they were just robbers and had no conscience...what is your opinion LC?

Well I wouldn't refer to it as no conscience. If it was a deal that went bad or a planned robbery I could see both SW and CP as people who would not be in control of their emotions or who lose control very easily. I believe that could be a factor as well.

(10-19-2011, 01:06 PM)pspence Wrote: Johnny could have sold sw & cameo guys some bad weed...

I finally just got caught up with this entire saga. Talk about twists and turns. Fact over speculation seems to get skewed in your mind after reading so many different perspectives. Not to mention the commercial breaks of crazy this thread has had to endure.

I am probably in left field, but I get a whole different impression from all of this. I think these losers showed up that night for different reasons that just buying some "weed." I just don't see a connection to anyone previously mentioned or eluded to on this forum. Unless I missed something.

Here is my thought process, we do not know what the local authorities obviously know (due to arrests being made). So ask yourself this. Take in account the mentality of these scumbags charged in this case. I do not get the impression, that they have the mental discipline to carry out such a heinous crime in terms of being spontaneous. Basically, it just didn’t happen within an instant and these idiots walked out the door. It had to take thought and planning.

I think there is something we all are missing or do not know in relation to why this was done. It appears premeditated, and almost vindictive. I wonder if this was an ongoing issue with someone connected to these young people or someone they knew together or individually. Did they even know these alleged murderers, or were these guys used to send a message? I have to agree, there were more than just these two morons there. It just doesn’t feel right when you read all the media releases or discussions about this case. This puzzle doesn’t ooze with being a random robbery causing the deaths of the victims to be accidental by any means. It appears cold and calculated.

(10-19-2011, 03:10 PM)Sphincter Cop Wrote:

(10-19-2011, 01:06 PM)pspence Wrote: Johnny could have sold sw & cameo guys some bad weed...

but I get a whole different impression from all of this. I think these losers showed up that night for different reasons that just buying some "weed."
It appears cold and calculated.

Sure, even though drugs and mutual friends seem to be the common denominator ,what would other motives be ?
I've thought that since Lisa and Sam ,(don't know about Cameo) both attended Owens: did there paths cross there ? Did Sam or Cameo put the moves on Lisa and she dissed them? ??

(10-19-2011, 07:13 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: i have a suggestion. anyone who wants to may start a thread, oh maybe in the therapy forum, called "whining about hoodrats being treated badly because they spell like assholes".

this is MOCK. get it? MOCK. if i wish to sneer at illiterate hoodrats i will do so. i don't usually pick on my members who can't spell for shit, unless they deserve it. and i wouldn't pick on someone with a legit problem like dyslexia or whatever. but i am not going to let it slide when ignorant 'morAns' want to come here and give me grief about what i have done for this case. i am going to rub their noses in their abject stupidity. furthermore, i place no credence on anything someone with the IQ of a turnip has to say. i don't CARE what they have to say. there's a fucking spellcheck option on everyone's computers. so they are lazy as well as stupid. i am not ridiculing the occasional mistake. i am fucking well ridiculing imbeciles. and i know people for whom English is a second language who DON'T speak and write like mentally defective gutter trash. i form immediate and accurate opinions about people like that.
they can do the reading here and educate themselves about what Mock has done. which is keep a record. of everything. i'd have some respect for a cogent coherent argument/opinion.

moving on....

undercovercameo said "Anyone can go to the county website,enter someones last name and retrieve a diagram of their home showing entrances and the layout."

I say no way ...that would imply they were pretty bright...i don't think they were smart enough to do that...

that reminds me years ago my sister's dtr got pregnant by a guy of a different race when she was a teenager...i didn't mind he was of a diff race, nor did anyone in our family. he was in jail during the delivery...we had a problem w/ the thug thing...anyway...to escape the violent scary son of a bitch, (he busted her ear drum, beat the s--t out of her)...my sister and brother-in-law moved to florida (perfect timing because brother-in-law was retiring)...a couple of months later their dtr (my niece) and her gorgeous new baby followed them there. i asked my sister "aren't you afraid he is going to follow you all to florida?"...my sis replied "no, that would require the ability to look in a phone book and knowing how to alphabatize". ha ha that always make me laugh...same with these dudes samual wms and cameo...hasn't a couple of folks mentioned they're a little slow?

i have a dtr with some learning disabilities and they aren't funny, but you fellow mockers, you know what i mean, right?

[Well I wouldn't refer to it as no conscience. If it was a deal that went bad or a planned robbery I could see both SW and CP as people who would not be in control of their emotions or who lose control very easily. I believe that could be a factor as well.



Good point.

(10-19-2011, 03:10 PM)Sphincter Cop Wrote:

(10-19-2011, 01:06 PM)pspence Wrote: Johnny could have sold sw & cameo guys some bad weed...

I finally just got caught up with this entire saga. Talk about twists and turns. Fact over speculation seems to get skewed in your mind after reading so many different perspectives. Not to mention the commercial breaks of crazy this thread has had to endure.

I am probably in left field, but I get a whole different impression from all of this. I think these losers showed up that night for different reasons that just buying some "weed." I just don't see a connection to anyone previously mentioned or eluded to on this forum. Unless I missed something.

Here is my thought process, we do not know what the local authorities obviously know (due to arrests being made). So ask yourself this. Take in account the mentality of these scumbags charged in this case. I do not get the impression, that they have the mental discipline to carry out such a heinous crime in terms of being spontaneous. Basically, it just didn’t happen within an instant and these idiots walked out the door. It had to take thought and planning.

I think there is something we all are missing or do not know in relation to why this was done. It appears premeditated, and almost vindictive. I wonder if this was an ongoing issue with someone connected to these young people or someone they knew together or individually. Did they even know these alleged murderers, or were these guys used to send a message? I have to agree, there were more than just these two morons there. It just doesn’t feel right when you read all the media releases or discussions about this case. This puzzle doesn’t ooze with being a random robbery causing the deaths of the victims to be accidental by any means. It appears cold and calculated.

very interesting post...gave me the creeps, but totally true i'm sure...

(10-19-2011, 05:56 PM)pspence Wrote: i have a dtr with some learning disabilities and they aren't funny, but you fellow mockers, you know what i mean, right?

I have mild dyslexia and a voice that that is eerily similar to nails on a chalk board.

I get more laughs reading a grocery list, in front of a group of people, than A-List comedians.

So . . . "No."

(10-19-2011, 03:10 PM)Sphincter Cop Wrote: Basically, it just didn’t happen within an instant and these idiots walked out the door. It had to take thought and planning.
~snipped~
It appears cold and calculated.

Something I read said it was "disorganized". May have been Lisa's uncle that discribed it that way. But for sure thought and planning but the cold and calculating could be inherent in the individuals, imo. However, Williams and Pettway seem to be hotheads with all the domestic abuse incidences in both of their criminal records. I don't know, I'm shaking my head on this one, too many variables. Having initial arrests made is a start and my universal prayer is that the Straub family is vindicated.

(10-19-2011, 05:56 PM)pspence Wrote: undercovercameo said "Anyone can go to the county website,enter someones last name and retrieve a diagram of their home showing entrances and the layout."

I say no way ...that would imply they were pretty bright...i don't think they were smart enough to do that...

They might not be very bright in relation to how others measure intelligence
but these people live lives of crime .That's what they do.They can measure in ounces and grams, and they can upload and download.All they would have to do is go to a website. It's public information. A five year old could do it.

(10-19-2011, 07:45 PM)undercovercameo Wrote: All they would have to do is go to a website. It's public information. A five year old could do it.

Does this town or county require an annual permit for alarm systems or a security company?

My town does and it, too, is public record.

Just curious.

(10-19-2011, 06:11 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: I have mild dyslexia and a voice that that is eerily similar to nails on a chalk board.

I get more laughs reading a grocery list, in front of a group of people, than A-List comedians.

So . . . "No."

I so want to call you right now. hahaha

(10-19-2011, 07:54 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(10-19-2011, 07:45 PM)undercovercameo Wrote: All they would have to do is go to a website. It's public information. A five year old could do it.

Does this town or county require an annual permit for alarm systems or a security company?

None is required

(10-19-2011, 05:56 PM)pspence Wrote: i have a dtr with some learning disabilities and they aren't funny, but you fellow mockers, you know what i mean, right?

Go ahead and attack me now! pspence, my son has impulse behavioral problems due to the fact he suffers from PTSD, separation disorder, severe anxiety, and depression. He is actually over intelligent but can't control his anger/hurt. Stemming from the death of his brother. When I was in high school I worked with children with learning disabilities. It is sad. I may not be the smartest, brightest, or wittiest but I am by far not a hoodrat and I am a wonderful mom and friend. O... and of course I'm a MOCKSTER! My dad can't spell at all or barely read but he has been an electrician for over 35 yrs. I am very proud of him . Just wish these kids could of had a better life. I don't even want to think of what these kids endured!

JSMom...NOBODY here was referring to you at all! i promise you that!


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