(10-29-2011, 02:50 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: THIS POST IS STRICTLY SPECULATION. NOT FACTS.

however, it is based on very reliable information and the known character of certain people, as demonstrated by their criminal histories. so here are my theories:

the 2 in custody are not very bright, highly intelligent guys. they are also facing the death penalty and there is no doubt in my mind that if someone put them up to a robbery looking for a safe full of cash, they ARE going to roll over on that person(s) nomatter who it is. what if it was the clarkes?

they are the ones who went on and on in the police station that very awful night about the safe. not Jim V, but the clarkes. the night those kids were killed someone sent them after a non-existent safe. because Johnny talked about the "safe". 2 kids were horribly murdered and parents obsess about a safe that very night in the immediate aftermath?

who said they saw the kids take the key hidden in the garage to get in house? maytee did. she had observed that and she stated so.

these 2 hoodrats in custody didn't know this shit on their own by hoodrat osmosis.

and believe me, if anyone prompted them to go to that house, they will talk. maybe not right away because then they'd have to make admissions. but at some point their fear will make them talk. when they know for sure all the evidence to convict is there in the DA's hands.


supra is
my considered and informed opinion and speculation only. LC

Ive always wondered about this in the back of my mind, but wouldnt allow
myself to look into it too much, because it was just too awful to think about. It really makes alot of sense of some things though....

(10-30-2011, 09:43 AM)pspence Wrote: Yourleft said "the fact she (TW) was friends with Cameo on MySpace before the murders".


I thought I had read every post and must have missed this...this is huge. I sure hope she didn't know anything about it, but this is certainly incriminating.

JMO, but maybe M was jealous that L/J went to live at the Straubs...maybe Johnny was always talking about how awesome Straubs house was, their food delicious, her parents were nice, etc. etc. (I mean this truly was a world J had not been exposed to until Lisa) and jealously was the motive to have their house robbed. J/L just were not supposed to be there like LC said. JMO of a possibility. It is very very strange how all of a sudden M is totally quiet.

That would definitely give her grounds in convincing Johnny to move back
home... ie,Its just not safe, you couldve been killed etc....But it backfired
on her...

So . . . which one of you Toledo 'Tuffs' is gonna dress up as either a Demon or a Plea Bargain and Trick -or- Treat at the Clarkes', tonight?

C'mon . . . I'm sure you'll get a Snicker.

(10-31-2011, 06:08 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: So . . . which one of you Toledo 'Tuffs' is gonna dress up as either a Demon or a Plea Bargain and Trick -or- Treat at the Clarkes', tonight?

C'mon . . . I'm sure you'll get a Snicker.

Oh my gods, I would LOVE to do that!

You know those fuckers have their porch light off. You KNOW it.

Just how do you take your children from multiple mother's trick or treating? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Beatings for the baby mama's from the sperm donor. Cutting and wig pulling among all the baby mama's. You know it all just sucks.

Couldn't help thinking about this tonight while I was T or T'ng with my three 2 year old grandchildren and was saddened.

So there is a public document link on the Lucas Co website dated ¹⁰⁄₃₁ that has some info. It is the discovery response from the Prosecutor. Doesn't give details, just an itemized list of what they have.

http://lcapps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedocke...00&PARTY=0

11/1/11

Public Documents LUCAS COUNTY COURT OF COMMON PLEAS
J. BERNIE QUILTER, CLERK
700 ADAMS STREET
TOLEDO, OHIO
TIME: 5:04:14 PM
DATE: 11/1/2011
CASE: G -4801 -CR -201102568-000
TITLE: S/O V SAMUEL TODD WILLIAMS
JUDGE: DEAN MANDROS
FILING DATE: 9/30/2011 CASE TYPE: CAP CAPITAL MURDER
MONETARY AMOUNT: DOCKET/PAGE:
ORIGINAL COURT: TAX TYPE:
PREVIOUS CASE NUMBER: STATE OF OHIO NUMBER:
Party Counsel Prosecutor
DEFENDANT 1:
WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD
1626 KELSEY
TOLEDO, OH 43605 JOHN B. THEBES
4192421400
405 Madison Avenue, Ste 1000
TOLEDO, OH 43604 ROBERT A MILLER
DEFENDANT 1:
JANE ROMAN
4192416168
830 SPITZER BUILDING
520 MADISON AVENUE
TOLEDO, OH 43604 ROBERT A MILLER
COUNT PARTY DESCRIPTION ABBREV.
1 (D -1)WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD AGG MURDER-2 DEATH SPECS A5 & A7 FSP
2 (D -1)WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD AGG MURDER-2 DEATH SPECS A5 & A7 FSP
3 (D -1)WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD AGGRAVATED BURGLARY F1
4 (D -1)WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD KIDNAPPING-F1 F1
5 (D -1)WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD KIDNAPPING-F1 F1
DATE SEQ EVENT

9/30/2011 1 Title : OPN:ORIG INDICT BOOKED
AGG MURDER W/SPECS
AGG MURDER W/SPECS
AGG BURGLARY
KIDNAPPING ( 2 COUNTS )
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

9/30/2011 2 Title : BND:NO BOND SET (CLERKS)
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/3/2011 3 Title : WAR:WARRANT ISSUED BY CLERK
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/3/2011 4 Title : HRG:ARRAIGNMENT SET
ON WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 5, 2011, AT 1:30 P.M.
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/3/2011 7 Title : WAR:WARRANT SERVED ON DEFENDNT
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/4/2011 1 Title : FRM:NOT SUP CT AGG MUR INDICT
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/4/2011 2 Title : PROUBLICIZE CT PROCEED GRANT
THE BLADE, FOR ARRAIGNMENT SET ON OCTOBER 5, 2011.
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/4/2011 3 Title : PROUBLICIZE CT PROCEED GRANT
FOX TOLEDO NEWS, FOR ARRAIGNMENT SET ON OCTOBER 5, 2011.
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/4/2011 6 Title : RTNHERIFF SERVED WARRANT
SERVED ON 10/3/11
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/4/2011 7 Title : PROUBLICIZE CT PROCEED GRANT
WTOL, FOR ARRAIGNMENT SET ON OCTOBER 5, 2011.
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/4/2011 8 Title : EVT:ORD PUB PROCEED FILE/JOURN
E-JOURNALIZED 10/06/2011
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/4/2011 9 Title : EVT:ORD PUB PROCEED FILE/JOURN
E-JOURNALIZED 10/06/2011
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/5/2011 1 Title : EVT:WAIVER TIME FILED/JOURNAL
E-JOURNALIZED 10/06/2011
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/5/2011 2 Title : EVT:ORD PUB PROCEED FILE/JOURN
E-JOURNALIZED 10/06/2011
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/5/2011 3 Title : MTN:MOTION FILED
TO PERMIT THE ACCUSED TO APPEAR IN CIVILIAN CLOTHING AND
WITHOUT RESTRAINTS AT ALL PROCEEDINGS (MOTION NO.1)
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/5/2011 4 Title : ARR HELD AND COUNSEL APPOINTED
770-000015883 issued by 153 ()

October 05, 2011. Court Reporter CHRIS ARDLEY, Assistant
Prosecutor ROBERT MILLER and J. CHRISTOPHER ANDERSON, and
Defendant, SAMUEL TODD WILLIAMS present in court.
Indigency hearing held. Defendant notified of application
fee for appointment of counsel. JOHN B. THEBES and JANE
ROMAN appointed as counsel. Certifications admitted as
Court's Exhibits #1 and #2. Counsel present and
arraignment held.

Defendant acknowledged receipt of a copy of the
indictment, waived any defects as to time, place or manner
of service, and waived its reading in open Court.
Defendant entered a plea of not guilty.

Matter set for Pretrial on Friday, November 4, 2011, at
1:30 p.m.

Matter set for Trial on Wednesday, January 18, 2012, at
9:00 a.m.

The State of Ohio and defendant's counsel are ordered not
to speak with the media during the pendency of this case.

Bond hearing held. Bond ordered set at two (2) million
dollars; No 10% as to Count One; two (2) million dollars;
No 10% as to Count Two; $100,000.00; No 10% as to Count
Three; $100,000.00; No 10% as to Count Four; and
$100,000.00; No 10% as to Count Five; for a Total Bond of
4.3 million dollars; No 10%.

JUDGE DEAN MANDROS
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/5/2011 6 Title : ORD:ATTORNEY APPOINTED
JOHN THEBES
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/5/2011 7 Title : ORD:ATTORNEY APPOINTED
JANE ROMAN
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/14/2011 1 Title : MTN:FOR DISCOVERY FILED
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/17/2011 1 Title : EVT:ORD FILE/JOUR $ EFF9/24/03
ARRAIGNMENT
E-JOURNALIZED 10/18/2011
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/31/2011 1 Title : MTN: DISCOVERY RESPONSE FILED
FILED BY PROSECUTOR
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

10/31/2011 2 Title : MTN: DISCOVERY RESPONSE FILED
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

11/1/2011 1 Title : SUPREME CT RETURN OF FILING
NOTICE TO THE SUPREME COURT OF OHIO OF THE FILING OF INDICT-
MENT CHARGING AGGRAVATED MURDER WITH SPECIFICATIONS OF
AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES R.C.SECTION 2929.021 (A),
FILED BY CLERK OF COURT OF SUPREME COURT OF OHIO
PARTY : D1 - WILLIAMS SAMUEL TODD

The "pubilc documents link" shows the intitials of the individuals interviewed. Looks suspiciously like Mock's alphabet soup. It is 13 pages long and I have no idea how to c/p it. The link pretty much outlines everything that LCSO has done to get to the place they are today.

(11-01-2011, 05:18 PM)Adub Wrote: The "pubilc documents link" shows the intitials of the individuals interviewed. Looks suspiciously like Mock's alphabet soup. It is 13 pages long and I have no idea how to c/p it. The link pretty much outlines everything that LCSO has done to get to the place they are today.

thanks Adub!

here is what they will see, double-click on each one for PDF file.

Lucas County Public Documents
Double-click on the row for the document you wish to view.
11/01/2011 - SUPREME CT RETURN OF FILING - 6715 - G-4801-CR-0201102568-000 - E-Journal ID:
10/31/2011 - MTN: DISCOVERY RESPONSE FILED - 4920 - G-4801-CR-0201102568-000 - E-Journal ID:
10/31/2011 - MTN: DISCOVERY RESPONSE FILED - 4920 - G-4801-CR-0201102568-000 - E-Journal ID:
10/17/2011 - EVT:ORD FILE/JOUR $ EFF9/24/03 - 4801 - G-4801-CR-0201102568-000 - E-Journal ID: 600761
10/14/2011 - MTN:FOR DISCOVERY FILED - 8109 - G-4801-CR-0201102568-000 - E-Journal ID:
10/05/2011 - MTN:MOTION FILED - 8101 - G-4801-CR-0201102568-000 - E-Journal ID:
10/05/2011 - EVT:ORD PUB PROCEED FILE/JOURN - 4855 - G-4801-CR-0201102568-000 - E-Journal ID: 594294
10/04/2011 - EVT:ORD PUB PROCEED FILE/JOURN - 4855 - G-4801-CR-0201102568-000 - E-Journal ID: 594198
10/04/2011 - EVT:ORD PUB PROCEED FILE/JOURN - 4855 - G-4801-CR-0201102568-000 - E-Journal ID: 594198
10/05/2011 - EVT:WAIVER TIME FILED/JOURNAL - 4808 - G-4801-CR-0201102568-000 - E-Journal ID: 5942074
10/04/2011 - RTNHERIFF SERVED WARRANT - 6725 - G-4801-CR-0201102568-000 - E-Journal ID:
10/04/2011 - FRM:NOT SUP CT AGG MUR INDICT - 6928 - G-4801-CR-0201102568-000 - E-Journal ID:
09/30/2011 - OPN:ORIG INDICT BOOKED - 1550 - G-4801-CR-0201102568-000 - E-Journal ID:

So does Cameo Pettaway have a middle name? Isn't that standard operating procedure when making an arrest? You always get the middle name And how about Madrid. What is up with no middle name for Miss Destiny? Ya'll got to check out that public documents link. The timeline and the alphabet soup is killing me. Why would LE be requesting info on an offense that happened back in 2002? And evidently they have shoe prints from that night.

RIP Johnny Clarke & Lisa Straub

May god have mercy on the souls of your killers

(11-01-2011, 06:05 PM)Adub Wrote: And how about Madrid. What is up with no middle name for Miss Destiny?

RIP Johnny Clarke & Lisa Straub

May god have mercy on the souls of your killers

Google searches show a Destiny Monica Madrid .age 21, 5 addresses in Toledo and 1 in Oregon,Oh.

I didn't include the links because family members names are listed.

(11-01-2011, 05:18 PM)Adub Wrote: The "pubilc documents link" shows the intitials of the individuals interviewed. Looks suspiciously like Mock's alphabet soup. It is 13 pages long and I have no idea how to c/p it. The link pretty much outlines everything that LCSO has done to get to the place they are today.

I wonder if the cigarette butt they took into evidence on 5-9-11 , is Samuel's ? Can they get DNA from a cig. butt ?

Can they get DNA from a cig. butt ?


yes.

(11-01-2011, 07:41 PM)undercovercameo Wrote:

(11-01-2011, 06:05 PM)Adub Wrote: And how about Madrid. What is up with no middle name for Miss Destiny?

RIP Johnny Clarke & Lisa Straub

May god have mercy on the souls of your killers

Google searches show a Destiny Monica Madrid .age 21, 5 addresses in Toledo and 1 in Oregon,Oh.

I didn't include the links because family members names are listed.

undercovercameo, you found the right one! Ditto to the rest of your post also.

Were you a Mock member when NEO was here? wish he'd pop back on Mock he knew a thing or two I believe. I wonder if he knew this Madrid girl and since the alleged murders are from the East side of Toledo I was wondering if NEO is from that region - I certainly hope he is O.K.

I did find out Cameo and his new Facebook page he has different women on there and pictures of children crop up I assume these are his - one of these girls works at a stripper nightclub yuck but, some of the comments you take with a grain of salt & and that place is in Toledo & Oregon Ohio and Florida only.

Information is scarce on this trio - I am praying the Detectives' find the rest that are involved.

(11-01-2011, 08:05 PM)Sincere Wrote:

(11-01-2011, 05:18 PM)Adub Wrote: The "pubilc documents link" shows the intitials of the individuals interviewed. Looks suspiciously like Mock's alphabet soup. It is 13 pages long and I have no idea how to c/p it. The link pretty much outlines everything that LCSO has done to get to the place they are today.

I wonder if the cigarette butt they took into evidence on 5-9-11 , is Samuel's ? Can they get DNA from a cig. butt ?

Cameo's Myspace states that he drinks but does NOT smoke

http://www.myspace.com/raaaambo

(11-01-2011, 08:11 PM)NightOwl Wrote:

(11-01-2011, 07:41 PM)undercovercameo Wrote:

(11-01-2011, 06:05 PM)Adub Wrote: And how about Madrid. What is up with no middle name for Miss Destiny?

RIP Johnny Clarke & Lisa Straub

May god have mercy on the souls of your killers

Google searches show a Destiny Monica Madrid .age 21, 5 addresses in Toledo and 1 in Oregon,Oh.

I didn't include the links because family members names are listed.

undercovercameo, you found the right one! Ditto to the rest of your post also.

Were you a Mock member when NEO was here?

Haven't heard of NEO ,I'll search posts to see what he had to say.

I'll be thrilled when they arrest them ALL. I wonder how many knew about the murders after the fact. I can't imagine these types could have kept their mouths shut.

I would imagine that Destiny aka Baby d probably saw what was coming and removed herself from FB.

I heard from a VERY reliable spurce that Destiny is the one who drove them that night.

(11-01-2011, 10:13 PM)stoof725 Wrote: I heard from a VERY reliable spurce that Destiny is the one who drove them that night.

****source....stupid smartphone!