(04-03-2012, 11:14 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Trayvon was 17 years old. No matter what pictures the media chooses to publish (or how tall he was, or what race he was, etc...), he was an unarmed juvenile who was being pursued by an armed adult who had been advised not to pursue by the 911 dispatcher. The Chief stepped down. A new prosecution team was assigned. Things were mishandled by LE and the State's Attorney's office, imo. One week til the Grand Jury convenes. I hope there is a lot of solid evidence for the jurors to consider and that appropriate action is taken, whatever that may be.

I agree. What scares me is that a defense attorney will find a TON of holes in this investigation. So regardless if he was charged, I do not think he will see any jail time. (if he makes it that long)

The pictures of his injuries do not convince me anymore that he had the fight of his life. A broken nose, and a cut on his head to me do not depict a life or death moment.

This law is going to be a huge part, because it will argue what is the meaning of "fight for your life", what is the meaning of self defense with deadly force. Hand to hand fighting to me is not a fight for your life.

I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around that he put his gun in his waist band, and left him face down when the officers arrived.

Florida Statute 776.013
Just in case you’re wondering what exactly Florida law says about “standing your ground:

776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—

(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or


http://bigeducationape.blogspot.com/2012...orida.html

Zimmerman is abusing the protections provided under the law in this case. It is clearly intended to protect you from an aggressor. IMO-Trayvon is being characterized as the aggressor only so as invoke the protections afforded zimmerman under this law.

You know who I feel sorry for?

Bobby Tillman


He was killed a year or so ago in Georgia walking to his car after leaving a high school party. Five or six of his classmates beat him to death because they were in the mood.

The NAACP got involved with this one, too. Not because that cute 125 lb. kid was killed, but because the police rounded up all the kids at the party for interviews and held them on a bus. The NAACP didn't give a SHIT about that kid. I see the fake media bullshit and I am disgusted.

Yeah, cry me a river.

i am disturbed that DOJ has not sanctioned the new black panthers for putting out a "dead or alive" $10,000. bounty on zimmerman. they are not a law enforcement entity. why has that been ignored?

i also hope, but doubt, zimmerman can get a fair trial in orlando. or florida for that matter. we don't need another abortion on Lady Justice like casey anthony.

a defense attny. is going to need a change of venue to outer mongolia.

(04-03-2012, 12:03 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i am disturbed that DOJ has not sanctioned the new black panthers for putting out a "dead or alive" $10,000. bounty on zimmerman. they are not a law enforcement entity. why has that been ignored?

i also hope, but doubt, zimmerman can get a fair trial in orlando. or florida for that matter. we don't need another abortion on Lady Justice like casey anthony.

a defense attny. is going to need a change of venue to outer mongolia.

Send 'em out here to the "Flyover Zone" (or as we say, "Buttfuck Kansas"). There aren't many people here following this case and are only vaguely aware of it.

(04-03-2012, 11:27 PM)Cheyne Wrote: Send 'em out here to the "Flyover Zone" (or as we say, "Buttfuck Kansas"). There aren't many people here following this case and are only vaguely aware of it.

Ever been to Lebanon, KS? I keep meaning to go...


So now NBC is admitting they doctored the 911 tapes? http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/nbc...ml?mid=rss

I don't see many news agencies picking up this story. They are feeding Americans their own pink slime version of the news. And we eat that shit up.

(04-04-2012, 12:30 PM)Cracker Wrote:

(04-03-2012, 11:27 PM)Cheyne Wrote: Send 'em out here to the "Flyover Zone" (or as we say, "Buttfuck Kansas"). There aren't many people here following this case and are only vaguely aware of it.

Ever been to Lebanon, KS? I keep meaning to go...


So now NBC is admitting they doctored the 911 tapes? http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/nbc...ml?mid=rss

I don't see many news agencies picking up this story. They are feeding Americans their own pink slime version of the news. And we eat that shit up.

Stopped and looked at the geographical marker a couple of years ago. It's right outside of Lebanon.

White man beaten by juveniles

OLEDO, Ohio (WUPW) - Saturday afternoon around 4:45 p.m., 78-year-old Dallas Watts was walking home from the gas station at the corner of Starr and White in East Toledo.

He was confronted by six juveniles between the ages of 11 to 17, both white and black, and for the next three or four minutes was nearly beaten to death because of, as he says, the color of his skin.

The article isn't clear whether the kids were actually making racist statements, but they did punch and kick an elderly man for no apparent reason except (possibly) that he was white (unless they were only after his pork rinds). I wonder if Al and Jesse will have anything to say about this crime?

(04-04-2012, 12:30 PM)Cracker Wrote:

(04-03-2012, 11:27 PM)Cheyne Wrote: Send 'em out here to the "Flyover Zone" (or as we say, "Buttfuck Kansas"). There aren't many people here following this case and are only vaguely aware of it.

Ever been to Lebanon, KS? I keep meaning to go...


So now NBC is admitting they doctored the 911 tapes? http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/nbc...ml?mid=rss

I don't see many news agencies picking up this story. They are feeding Americans their own pink slime version of the news. And we eat that shit up.

FOX was all over it Friday night.

NY Times

NBC News has fired a producer who was involved in the production of a misleading segment about the Trayvon Martin case in Florida.

The person was fired on Thursday, according to two people with direct knowledge of the disciplinary action who declined to be identified discussing internal company matters. They also declined to name the fired producer. A spokeswoman for NBC News declined to comment.

The action came in the wake of an internal investigation by NBC News into the production of the segment, which strung together audio clips in such a way that made George Zimmerman’s shooting of Mr. Martin sound racially motivated. Ever since the Feb. 26 shooting, there has been a continuing debate about whether race was a factor in the incident.

The segment in question was shown on the “Today” show on March 27. It included audio of Mr. Zimmerman saying, “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

But Mr. Zimmerman’s comments had been taken grossly out of context by NBC. On the phone with a 911 dispatcher, he actually said of Mr. Martin, “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.” Then the dispatcher asked, “O.K., and this guy — is he white, black or Hispanic?” Only then did Mr. Zimmerman say, “He looks black.”

note: every police report i ever wrote, or radio call, referred to people as BM black fe/male, or WM white fe/male. it's a necessary description! so dispatch asked zimmerman.

this must be making the locals feel safe. i'll bet the police are thrilled too.




MiamiNewTimes
Neo-Nazis are currently conducting heavily armed patrols in and around Sanford, Florida and are "prepared" for violence in the case of a race riot. The patrols are to protect "white citizens in the area who are concerned for their safety" in the wake of the Trayvon Martin shooting last month, says Commander Jeff Schoep of the National Socialist Movement. "We are not advocating any type of violence or attacks on anybody, but we are prepared for it," he says. "We are not the type of white people who are going to be walked all over."

Because nothing diffuses racial tension like gun-toting racial separatists patrolling an already on-edge community.

Schoep, whose neo-Nazi group is based in Detroit, tells Riptide the patrols are a response to white residents' fears of a race riot.

A group called the New Black Panther Party recently offered $10,000 for a citizens' arrest of George Zimmerman, Martin's shooter. Schoep said the bounty is a sign that "the possibility of further racial violence... is brimming over like a powder keg ready to explode into the streets."

The patrols are comprised of between 10 and 20 locals and "volunteers" from across the state, including some from Miami, he added. He couldn't go into specifics on what kind of firepower, exactly, the patrols had with them.

"In Arizona the guys can walk around with assault weapons and that's totally legal," Schoep said, referring to the group's patrols of the US-Mexico border. "What I can tell you is that any patrols that we are doing now in Florida are totally within the law."

Asked if the patrols wouldn't just make things worse -- spark a race riot, for instance -- Schoep insisted they were simply a "show of solidarity with the white community down there" and "wouldn't intimidate anybody."

Jesus Christ. All extremists (black or white) should be shot. Fucking crazy mutha fuckers.

That's some pretty militant looking attire they've got going on. Just what this situation needs, neo-Nazis. God I hope that no riots break out and nobody else is killed senselessly. Judging from some on-line debates about the case, I do agree with neo-Nazi group's leader:

"the possibility of further racial violence... is brimming over like a powder keg ready to explode into the streets."

Is this group's presence deterring that or inviting it? Between them and the New Black Panthers, what a mess...

Damn. I would do two of those guys. I hope they have distinguishing marks or Cracker may get ahold of some bad man...

A race riot can't just be one way, folks. Be careful what you ask for...

(04-07-2012, 10:30 PM)username Wrote: Jesus Christ. All extremists (black or white) should be shot. Fucking crazy mutha fuckers.

Agree...Fucking ridiculous

Anyone who thinks whites have to sit on their hands while the blacks threaten are the ones who are nuking futs.

WHERE THE HELL ARE SHARPTON AND JACKSON?? why aren't they raising a mob?

this shit went on in Philly last summer too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...arade.html

(04-08-2012, 08:39 AM)IMaDick Wrote: Anyone who thinks whites have to sit on their hands while the blacks threaten are the ones who are nuking futs.

I never said that. I wouldn't just sit there myself but this bs is crazy!

(04-08-2012, 08:43 AM)JsMom Wrote:

(04-08-2012, 08:39 AM)IMaDick Wrote: Anyone who thinks whites have to sit on their hands while the blacks threaten are the ones who are nuking futs.

I never said that. I wouldn't just sit there myself but this bs is crazy!

When someone starts craziness, they have no room to be pissed when they get craziness in return.

The new black panthers are a militant group, everything needs a balance and the balance to them are the neo nazi's.

It's balls for balls.

Dickie: The new black panthers are a militant group, everything needs a balance and the balance to them are the neo nazi's.

It's balls for balls.


yep...double the assholes. that should end well.

(04-08-2012, 08:39 AM)IMaDick Wrote: Anyone who thinks whites have to sit on their hands while the blacks threaten are the ones who are nuking futs.

Everyone has a right to protect themselves against a real threat. But, the racial extremist groups on both sides are exasperating the mob mentally, with agendas not limited to protecting innocent people or seeking rectification of an injustice, imo.

Wouldn't local officials be monitoring the threat level and call in the National Guard or some official group if they felt there was a riot brewing? - that's a genuine question; I'm not sure of the criteria.

I don't think neo-Nazis claiming to be there on request of local white residents is the most rational solution to contain a racial boiling pot. The Grand Jury convenes in 2 days, so at least (delayed) legal action is approaching. If Zimmerman is indicted, will the black activists and community be appeased and the neo-Nazis go away, or will the tables turn with the neo-Nazis taking the offensive and claiming that Zimmerman is being wrongly persecuted?

The whole thing makes me nervous, especially having lived in LA during the Rodney King trial and riots. Fucked up shit with the worst of humanity on display.